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Post by aleutianhoya on Feb 17, 2017 11:10:21 GMT -5
why are we getting called out on bubble watch? front page of espn - don't understand this passage: "They aren't. So, sure, if you want to blame realignment for Georgetown's ongoing proximity to the bubble, by all means do it. But don't overlook the tweeners, who -- at least this season -- simply aren't pulling their weight." The larger passage is an analysis of why major-college teams with seemingly poor records are right in the mix this year. We're (rightly) a poster child of a "mediocre major-college team that is still in the mix." His use of the word "tweeners" is a reference to leagues (like the American, A-10, Mountain West, etc.) that historically have more than one or two at-large contenders at this stage, but this year, stink. So, his argument goes, it's not just that there are teams that used to be in mid-major conferences now in major conferences (Butler, Xavier, etc.), it's also that leagues that even post-realignment have been pretty good aren't so good this year. He's probably to some degree right. But realignment is the larger issue. Butler, X, and Creighton would have earned the A-10 (or Horizon) and Missouri Valley more publicity and more opportunity for bids this year. Same with, say, Utah out west. And the fact that his "tweeners" have themselves "called-up" teams from lower division leagues (think Davidson from the SoCon now in the A-10) saps strength from other leagues too. To editorialize on a different thread: His use of us as the example (and ESPN's editorial decision to go with Jack the Bulldog as the visual) is further evidence that, while diminished, our brand remains marketable, noticeable, and valuable. He and they could easily have chosen any number of ACC/SEC teams (or other BE teams) instead.
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Post by trillesthoya on Feb 17, 2017 21:46:37 GMT -5
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Post by daveg023 on Feb 18, 2017 12:37:31 GMT -5
Few times I ever root for Villanova, but today is one of them. Seton Hall winning would not be good for our bubble position. To a lesser degree Xavier winning at Marquette would help too...
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Post by bicentennial on Feb 18, 2017 23:27:14 GMT -5
As of today there are 4 teams with 8 losses(GU, Providence, St. John's and Seton Hall), 1 team with 7 losses(MU), 1 team with 6 losses(Xavier) and 2 teams with 5 losses. If we can will ourselves to a win tomorrow we will be within striking distance of being in the top half of the Big East. Xavier looked very unimpressive against MU so their injuries have taken a major toll on their chances to continue their winning ways.
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Post by McBricks on Feb 19, 2017 14:18:15 GMT -5
Answering the actual question of this thread:
Really good if they win today. Really bad if they lose today.
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Post by SDHoya on Feb 19, 2017 17:19:15 GMT -5
4-0 the rest of the way or we miss out.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 19, 2017 17:28:05 GMT -5
4-0 the rest of the way or we miss out. And even with a home game against pitiful Depaul - there is a better chance of 0-4 than 4-0.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 20, 2017 1:01:27 GMT -5
4-0 the rest of the way or we miss out. Or 3-2 and we make the BET final and go 11-11. But that's exceedingly unlikely.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Feb 20, 2017 7:39:07 GMT -5
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Feb 20, 2017 7:43:48 GMT -5
We're off the bubble now for sure. Win next 3, back on with Villanova the big showdown. But I don't see this team doing better than 2-2 in next 4. Seton hall and Nova will probably both beat us soundly.
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Post by hoyajinx on Feb 20, 2017 7:47:45 GMT -5
When Cuse fades down the stretch, as they started last night, that semi-decent win won't hold much weight either. We just have have to cross our fingers that we can find a way to make the NIT. I feel dirty just saying that. Maybe it would be better if this season ended mercifully without an NIT bid.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Feb 20, 2017 7:54:08 GMT -5
When Cuse fades down the stretch, as they started last night, that semi-decent win won't hold much weight either. We just have have to cross our fingers that we can find a way to make the NIT. I feel dirty just saying that. Maybe it would be better if this season ended mercifully without an NIT bid. For the second year in a row...
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 20, 2017 7:58:03 GMT -5
It is looking like winning at St. John's may very well decide whether we qualify for an NIT bid.
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Feb 20, 2017 9:48:45 GMT -5
It is looking like winning at St. John's may very well decide whether we qualify for an NIT bid. Yep
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Post by This Just In on Feb 20, 2017 9:50:04 GMT -5
When Cuse fades down the stretch, as they started last night, that semi-decent win won't hold much weight either. We just have have to cross our fingers that we can find a way to make the NIT. I feel dirty just saying that. Maybe it would be better if this season ended mercifully without an NIT bid. For the second year in a row 2nd time in 3 years There was no NIT bid last year at 15-18.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Feb 20, 2017 9:54:32 GMT -5
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Feb 20, 2017 10:18:07 GMT -5
For the second year in a row 2nd time in 3 years There was no NIT bid last year at 15-18. Exactly. So it would be the second year in a row that the season "ended mercifully without an NIT bid" as was stated in the post I was responding to. Try reading carefully before you start correcting people.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Feb 20, 2017 11:54:14 GMT -5
Incredible that this guy still has us as one of the last four out -- even after yesterday. Not sure I agree (Lunardi doesn't have us even among the last 8 left out), but it goes to show how weak the bubble is. I remain slightly more optimistic than most (not optimistic mind you, just more optimistic than others). I think if we win the next three, we'd "just" have to beat one of Nova, Creighton, Butler, or X in the regular season or BET (and avoid a bad loss) and we'd have a very strong argument. It's hard to know how the BET pairings would line up. But as an example, if we go 3-1 to close things out (assuming we beat both St.J and DePaul and one of Hall or Nova), play and beat Creighton in the first round, and then lose to Butler, we'd finish 18-15 with an RPI of 50 and an SOS of 6. (FWIW, the metrics come out almost exactly the same if we play Wednesday, beat DePaul, beat Butler, and lose to Creighton. We get an extra win that way, which might help at the margins.) Either way, we'd have a great SOS, and most significantly, we'd have 4 or 5 top 50 wins (probably more than anyone else on the bubble) and somewhere around 8 top 100 wins (again probably more than anyone else). To the extent, the committee is looking at other metrics like KenPom, KenPom (as usual) likes us more than other metrics and would like us at least at the end of the season as it does now given the hypothetical finish. Obviously, I'd be sweating out Sunday and we easily could be on the wrong side of things. But I do think that could well be enough. Do I think we can do that? I wouldn't bet on it. But -- even given all the negatives surrounding this time (rightfully) -- it's far from impossible.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Feb 20, 2017 12:07:39 GMT -5
Incredible that this guy still has us as one of the last four out -- even after yesterday. Not sure I agree (Lunardi doesn't have us even among the last 8 left out), but it goes to show how weak the bubble is. I remain slightly more optimistic than most (not optimistic mind you, just more optimistic than others). I think if we win the next three, we'd "just" have to beat one of Nova, Creighton, Butler, or X in the regular season or BET (and avoid a bad loss) and we'd have a very strong argument. It's hard to know how the BET pairings would line up. But as an example, if we go 3-1 to close things out (assuming we beat both St.J and DePaul and one of Hall or Nova), play and beat Creighton in the first round, and then lose to Butler, we'd finish 18-15 with an RPI of 50 and an SOS of 6. (FWIW, the metrics come out almost exactly the same if we play Wednesday, beat DePaul, beat Butler, and lose to Creighton. We get an extra win that way, which might help at the margins.) Either way, we'd have a great SOS, and most significantly, we'd have 4 or 5 top 50 wins (probably more than anyone else on the bubble) and somewhere around 8 top 100 wins (again probably more than anyone else). To the extent, the committee is looking at other metrics like KenPom, KenPom (as usual) likes us more than other metrics and would like us at least at the end of the season as it does now given the hypothetical finish. Obviously, I'd be sweating out Sunday and we easily could be on the wrong side of things. But I do think that could well be enough. Do I think we can do that? I wouldn't bet on it. But -- even given all the negatives surrounding this time (rightfully) -- it's far from impossible. To be fair, NBC only does weekly brackets, so their classification of Georgetown was as of last Monday/Tuesday. I completely agree with you that there is still a path to NCAA tournament selection for the Hoyas, but with every loss that path becomes less achievable. A lot of people said that 4-1 to end the regular season could be enough. With yesterday, that's now 4-0 (or as you said a bit of a run in the BET).
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Post by lda05816 on Feb 20, 2017 12:48:05 GMT -5
I think most of us agree that the path to the tournament is still there but is there anyone left who thinks we can run off 4 straight wins? I have a hard time seeing us get in with 15 losses. The next 2 games are winnable and we're favored in both according to KenPom (although St. Johns is a coin flip.) If we double Delgado and compete on the boards like the first meeting, it's feasible we could beat the Hall. Which would bring the season down to a home against Nova on Senior Day. With all that said, I'm predicting 2-2 with a miracle needed in NYC.
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