EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 13, 2016 16:17:28 GMT -5
An article on Scout states that Gtown visited him on Friday, he also says he's played pick up with the team & likes them all..
Says he's interested but in fairness he said that about every school..
He's going to Clemson this weekend & Xavier the next..
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 14, 2016 17:28:16 GMT -5
Another one bites the dust..
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wnyhoya
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Post by wnyhoya on Sept 14, 2016 17:37:02 GMT -5
That hurts
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deacon
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Post by deacon on Sept 14, 2016 17:38:06 GMT -5
Wow ... the one kid I was actually hoping for in this class. Has a chance to be really, really good.
I'm normally not one to panic, but ...
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Post by trillesthoya on Sept 14, 2016 17:48:30 GMT -5
So lets get this straight
No Josh Carlton (Seemingly likely) No Jaren Jackson Jr. No Antwan Walker No Chris Lykes No Aamir Simms No Parker Stewart No Tyler Foster No DJ Harvey No Nicholas Claxton No Ikey Obiagu No Nate Watson No Naji Marshall No Malik Williams No Nick Weatherspoon No Blake Harris No Devonte Shuler No Kodye Pugh
Basically only people left are Rafus, Beatty, Mading, Brown and Waters. I don't like our chances with Brown or Waters, and Mading/Rafus/Beatty are all borderline 3/4 stars. I understand that part of recruiting is striking out on the majority of players you try with. But this is just absurd. I think its fair to say that we are nearing a legitimate recruiting crisis. Maybe getting some wins this year will right the ship, but I honestly can't see it making THAT big of a difference unless we at least get to the Elite 8 this year.
In summation, bad news bears everyone.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Sept 14, 2016 18:18:55 GMT -5
So lets get this straight No Josh Carlton (Seemingly likely) No Jaren Jackson Jr. No Antwan Walker No Chris Lykes No Aamir Simms No Parker Stewart No Tyler Foster No DJ Harvey No Nicholas Claxton No Ikey Obiagu No Nate Watson No Naji Marshall No Malik Williams No Nick Weatherspoon No Blake Harris No Devonte Shuler No Kodye Pugh Basically only people left are Rafus, Beatty, Mading Brown Jr. and Waters. I don't like our chances with Brown or Waters, and Mading/Rafus/Beatty are both borderline 3/4 stars. I understand that part of recruiting is striking out on the majority of players you try with. But this is just absurd. I think its fair to say that we are nearing a legitimate recruiting crisis. Maybe getting some wins this year will right the ship, but I honestly can't see it making THAT big of a difference unless we at least get to the Elite 8 this year. In summation, bad news bears everyone. I nominate Yaboy to start putting together a list of possible grad student athletes (with highlight videos), who would like to exhaust their NCAA eligibility at GU next year, as well as another list of the top JUCOs available. Would highlight videos of potential European recruits be too much?
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hoya1984
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Post by hoya1984 on Sept 14, 2016 18:26:36 GMT -5
I am not happy to say, that I told you so.
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s4hoyas
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Post by s4hoyas on Sept 14, 2016 18:34:35 GMT -5
Some people can close...others can"t
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 14, 2016 18:50:54 GMT -5
Some people can close...others can"t It's hard to close kids when you haven't offered them.. The kid visited unofficially on June 3rd but didn't get an offer until September 8th, meanwhile other schools are offering & setting up official visits.. Imo nothing says you like a kid like an offer does..
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 14, 2016 19:13:47 GMT -5
Yeah seems like he was plan B or C after others fell through. Starting to be a trend - EBG (Everywhere But Georgetown) - probably no surprise after the crapfest that last season brought. Lord do we need a strong bounceback this year.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Sept 14, 2016 19:52:16 GMT -5
What if you build a state-of-the-art training facility and hire a new team of assistant coaches and top recruits still don't come?
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Post by beenaround on Sept 14, 2016 22:44:37 GMT -5
Yeah seems like he was plan B or C after others fell through. Starting to be a trend - EBG (Everywhere But Georgetown) - probably no surprise after the crapfest that last season brought. Lord do we need a strong bounceback this year. The last top 100 commitment to the Hoyas was Govan in May 2014. Marcus committed verbally in 2013. Jagen may end up far better than his ranking...but in terms of pure recruiting prowess, not an impressive get for JT3. So its been quite awhile since we beat out the competition for top high school talent. I know..feel free to call me Captain Obvious.
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Post by SaxaCD on Sept 14, 2016 23:15:20 GMT -5
What if you build a state-of-the-art training facility and hire a new team of assistant coaches and top recruits still don't come? Then you win some ballgames against tough competition and see how that goes!
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Post by blueandgray on Sept 15, 2016 9:55:10 GMT -5
We need to win...period, end of story. No high major kid is going to want to choose a school that lost 9 of its last 10 conference games and struggles to get past the 1st round let alone make the tournament.
We have a chance to turn things around this year.
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Post by SDHoya on Sept 15, 2016 9:57:57 GMT -5
Winning cures A LOT of ills. Hopefully our transfers this year help us get out of the death spiral and back on the right track.
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Post by krukster201 on Sept 15, 2016 10:22:16 GMT -5
winning does cure all ... I'll stay shut until I see how this year goes. Not holding my breath , but I will say Hoyas were great Fading Material last season.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Sept 15, 2016 10:22:47 GMT -5
Winning cures A LOT of ills. This is pretty much it. We need some excitement around the program and right now there is little. Perhaps in a more logical world, other things would matter more, but in the world we have not so much.
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 15, 2016 10:47:16 GMT -5
Winning cures A LOT of ills. This is pretty much it. We need some excitement around the program and right now there is little. Perhaps in a more logical world, other things would matter more, but in the world we have not so much. I don't buy this "winning cures" theory much.. Nova just won a championship with a guard friendly system and they're still having to duke it out to land a guard for 2017.. Gtown(JT3) continually fishes in the wrong waters imo especially when it comes to back- court help.. It's funny how folks love kids like Jabril or Jagan but aren't into their type during the recruiting periods.. I'm happy that the staff reached for Jagan early last August instead of waiting for spring to roll around.. The team needs more like him imo..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 10:54:41 GMT -5
They don't need a Jagan though, they need a PG... Not a combo
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SDHoya
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Post by SDHoya on Sept 15, 2016 11:20:01 GMT -5
This is pretty much it. We need some excitement around the program and right now there is little. Perhaps in a more logical world, other things would matter more, but in the world we have not so much. I don't buy this "winning cures" theory much.. Nova just won a championship with a guard friendly system and they're still having to duke it out to land a guard for 2017.. Gtown(JT3) continually fishes in the wrong waters imo especially when it comes to back- court help.. It's funny how folks love kids like Jabril or Jagan but aren't into their type during the recruiting periods.. I'm happy that the staff reached for Jagan early last August instead of waiting for spring to roll around.. The team needs more like him imo.. Nova has a 5 star PF coming in this year (Spellman) and a 5 star PG last year (Brunson)---those aren't related to their National Championship, but certainly they are related to their recent domination of the BE. For 2017, they already have commits from two 4 star forwards. They may not recruit like Duke and Kentucky, but I'd say Wright has managed to do okay for himself. Nova is "duking it out" over 5 star guards like Green with the Dukes and UKs of the world--maybe they lose that battle, Wright is unlikely to go back to Philly empty handed. Meanwhile our 2016 and 2017 classes are a combined Jagan. Sure we love the heart of guys in the Jabril mold, but it took until Jabril was a senior before he was a consistent offensive threat for the Hoyas, and when the hand checking crack down started, Jabril became one of our biggest defensive liabilities. We had two years of (on paper) solid recruiting classes in 2014 and 2015. There is certainly promise in those groups, but last year's disaster almost certainly caused some recruits to hold off. When JTIII came in he was recruiting 5 star guys (Macklin, Summers, Freeman, Wright) and the final four unquestionable helped us get the top HS player in Monroe (I forget when Wright and Freeman committed, but that may have been due to the FF as well). Since then, and as our successes, particularly in March, have dried up, we have gone from being able to recruit relatively well in the lower echelons of the Top 100, to being hopeful that a non-top 100 guy (Jagan) will be a diamond in the rough. Could we still end up with a 2017 class of Troy Brown, Tremont Waters, and Aamir Simms? Yes, but the staff has to work much harder (than if we just came off a Sweet 16) just to convince these guys that last year was a blip and that JTIII will right the ship and provide a great platform to shine.
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