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Post by DFW HOYA on May 28, 2016 13:44:05 GMT -5
Wouldn't you like to hear from JT3 or the program on these new hires though? What's stopping this from happening? Other than the usual answer of "that's not how Gtown does things" Brey gave a press conference about the coaching changes in the ND program, why hasn't JT3 done something similar? It's about the specific coach. Coaches like Brey like conversation, others do not (read=Boeheim). A sports information director can write all the releases he wants but in the end, the coach has to sign off on them and John III appears less and less interested in the kind of proactive communications about the program that you suggest. Yes, this been going on for years (there was a long running gag about when GU would write the release about Eric Micoud's military service status) but this is not 1994, either. Even in social media, the coaches appear non-interested. Outside of coaches Sgarlata (football) and Adair (women's basketball), the social media impact of coaches are minimal. As coaches get older they fade into the gym (or, now the practice facility) and are rarely seen around campus any more. Will John III be out there at NSO shaking hands and flipping GUGS burgers? Probably not. Yes, it's his call, but in the end it's not popularity that gets multi-million dollar contracts renewed, it's W/L results. Still, an opportunity lost.
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Post by DanMcQ on May 28, 2016 14:31:53 GMT -5
Actually, III is often seen on campus at student events (at least that was the case when my daughter was a student there a couple years ago).
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Post by eagle54 on May 28, 2016 21:52:28 GMT -5
Wouldn't you like to hear from JT3 or the program on these new hires though? What's stopping this from happening? Other than the usual answer of "that's not how Gtown does things" Brey gave a press conference about the coaching changes in the ND program, why hasn't JT3 done something similar? It's about the specific coach. Coaches like Brey like conversation, others do not (read=Boeheim). A sports information director can write all the releases he wants but in the end, the coach has to sign off on them and John III appears less and less interested in the kind of proactive communications about the program that you suggest. Yes, this been going on for years (there was a long running gag about when GU would write the release about Eric Micoud's military service status) but this is not 1994, either. Even in social media, the coaches appear non-interested. Outside of coaches Sgarlata (football) and Adair (women's basketball), the social media impact of coaches are minimal. As coaches get older they fade into the gym (or, now the practice facility) and are rarely seen around campus any more. Will John III be out there at NSO shaking hands and flipping GUGS burgers? Probably not. Yes, it's his call, but in the end it's not popularity that gets multi-million dollar contracts renewed, it's W/L results. Still, an opportunity lost. If it's not his on campus popularity keeping his job and he's only dealing in W/L results then how is he still here?
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Post by eagle54 on May 28, 2016 21:57:38 GMT -5
Good--please post the link. There you go again but I'm the sarcastic one?
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Post by tashoya on May 28, 2016 22:18:07 GMT -5
It's about the specific coach. Coaches like Brey like conversation, others do not (read=Boeheim). A sports information director can write all the releases he wants but in the end, the coach has to sign off on them and John III appears less and less interested in the kind of proactive communications about the program that you suggest. Yes, this been going on for years (there was a long running gag about when GU would write the release about Eric Micoud's military service status) but this is not 1994, either. Even in social media, the coaches appear non-interested. Outside of coaches Sgarlata (football) and Adair (women's basketball), the social media impact of coaches are minimal. As coaches get older they fade into the gym (or, now the practice facility) and are rarely seen around campus any more. Will John III be out there at NSO shaking hands and flipping GUGS burgers? Probably not. Yes, it's his call, but in the end it's not popularity that gets multi-million dollar contracts renewed, it's W/L results. Still, an opportunity lost. If it's not his on campus popularity keeping his job and he's only dealing in W/L results then how is he still here? You answered your own question.
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Post by tashoya on May 28, 2016 22:23:09 GMT -5
Back on topic, I hope that all of the positive posts about Coach Solomon with regard to player development and contact with certain recruits pay dividends. I can't remember an assistant coach being hired that has had so many positive reactions here.
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Post by eagle54 on May 28, 2016 22:23:17 GMT -5
If it's not his on campus popularity keeping his job and he's only dealing in W/L results then how is he still here? You answered your own question. So I guess Dan was right that he's attending the BBQ's on campus and mingling because I know he's not satisfying the latter.
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Post by tashoya on May 28, 2016 22:56:47 GMT -5
You answered your own question. So I guess Dan was right that he's attending the BBQ's on campus and mingling because I know he's not satisfying the latter. It's really funny that you make a joke of what you know to be true but choose to ignore. Add in the family situation and it is what it is. I think the horse has been dead for a while. No reason to keep swinging.
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Post by eagle54 on May 28, 2016 22:59:37 GMT -5
So I guess Dan was right that he's attending the BBQ's on campus and mingling because I know he's not satisfying the latter. It's really funny that you make a joke of what you know to be true but choose to ignore. Add in the family situation and it is what it is. I think the horse has been dead for a while. No reason to keep swinging. That sounds like some kind of riddle that I'd need to solve? Let me think of your deeper meaning.
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Post by tashoya on May 28, 2016 23:03:35 GMT -5
It's really funny that you make a joke of what you know to be true but choose to ignore. Add in the family situation and it is what it is. I think the horse has been dead for a while. No reason to keep swinging. That sounds like some kind of riddle that I'd need to solve? Let me think of your deeper meaning. Regular season records matter too. You know that. You just don't like it or consider it important. I understand that. I just don't agree.
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Post by eagle54 on May 28, 2016 23:24:15 GMT -5
That sounds like some kind of riddle that I'd need to solve? Let me think of your deeper meaning. Regular season records matter too. You know that. You just don't like it or consider it important. I understand that. I just don't agree. TAS, you and I are always good and I respect your opinions as you are straight up guy. We choose to disagree on some of these points but that's what the board is about. You backing some of these other clowns on this board well that's your choice. Just remind me of that "regular season" success we should be celebrating as all I can remember is a program that's underachieved for almost a decade. 2007 is a long time ago even though it doesn't always seem to be that long ago.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on May 29, 2016 10:15:26 GMT -5
It's about the specific coach. Coaches like Brey like conversation, others do not (read=Boeheim). A sports information director can write all the releases he wants but in the end, the coach has to sign off on them and John III appears less and less interested in the kind of proactive communications about the program that you suggest. Yes, this been going on for years (there was a long running gag about when GU would write the release about Eric Micoud's military service status) but this is not 1994, either. Even in social media, the coaches appear non-interested. Outside of coaches Sgarlata (football) and Adair (women's basketball), the social media impact of coaches are minimal. As coaches get older they fade into the gym (or, now the practice facility) and are rarely seen around campus any more. Will John III be out there at NSO shaking hands and flipping GUGS burgers? Probably not. Yes, it's his call, but in the end it's not popularity that gets multi-million dollar contracts renewed, it's W/L results. Still, an opportunity lost. If it's not his on campus popularity keeping his job and he's only dealing in W/L results then how is he still here? 3 Big East Championships, 1 Final Four, 1 Sweet 16, 8 NCAA Tournament Appearances in 12 years, 1 Big East Tournament Championship, 65.5% winning Percentage. The fact that people are calling for his head is a joke. He's earned plenty of time to turn us around after all he's accomplished. No one's happy about last year, but people act like we didn't just finish 2nd in the BE the year before and go to the NCAA tournament.
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Post by hoyainspirit on May 29, 2016 13:22:39 GMT -5
If it's not his on campus popularity keeping his job and he's only dealing in W/L results then how is he still here? 3 Big East Championships, 1 Final Four, 1 Sweet 16, 8 NCAA Tournament Appearances in 12 years, 1 Big East Tournament Championship, 65.5% winning Percentage. The fact that people are calling for his head is a joke. He's earned plenty of time to turn us around after all he's accomplished. No one's happy about last year, but people act like we didn't just finish 2nd in the BE the year before and go to the NCAA tournament. Damn. Eagle just got posterized!
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Post by tashoya on May 29, 2016 17:04:05 GMT -5
Regular season records matter too. You know that. You just don't like it or consider it important. I understand that. I just don't agree. We choose to disagree on some of these points but that's what the board is about. Eagle, I couldn't agree more with this part.
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Post by Problem of Dog on May 29, 2016 18:22:13 GMT -5
If it's not his on campus popularity keeping his job and he's only dealing in W/L results then how is he still here? 3 Big East Championships, 1 Final Four, 1 Sweet 16, 8 NCAA Tournament Appearances in 12 years, 1 Big East Tournament Championship, 65.5% winning Percentage. The fact that people are calling for his head is a joke. He's earned plenty of time to turn us around after all he's accomplished. No one's happy about last year, but people act like we didn't just finish 2nd in the BE the year before and go to the NCAA tournament. 2 sweet 16s in 12 years. Would any other "major" program accept that and say that coach has "earned plenty of time" to turn it around?
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Post by kchoya on May 29, 2016 18:26:25 GMT -5
3 Big East Championships, 1 Final Four, 1 Sweet 16, 8 NCAA Tournament Appearances in 12 years, 1 Big East Tournament Championship, 65.5% winning Percentage. The fact that people are calling for his head is a joke. He's earned plenty of time to turn us around after all he's accomplished. No one's happy about last year, but people act like we didn't just finish 2nd in the BE the year before and go to the NCAA tournament. 2 sweet 16s in 12 years. Would any other "major" program accept that and say that coach has "earned plenty of time" to turn it around? Yes, lots of them. I think your post needs more quotation marks. You should go back and edit it to add more.
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Post by DFW HOYA on May 29, 2016 20:39:02 GMT -5
2 sweet 16s in 12 years. Would any other "major" program accept that and say that coach has "earned plenty of time" to turn it around? Perpetual Big East Coach of the Year Mike Brey had one sweet 16 in 13 seasons and finished 15-17 just two years ago. He turned it around, didn't he?
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Post by Problem of Dog on May 29, 2016 23:19:26 GMT -5
2 sweet 16s in 12 years. Would any other "major" program accept that and say that coach has "earned plenty of time" to turn it around? Yes, lots of them. I think your post needs more quotation marks. You should go back and edit it to add more. 1) Poor troll. Didn't even include a question. 2) Who? Of the 20 teams with as many or more tournament appearances than us, only two have failed to reach the Sweet 16 at least twice in the last 12 years: Temple and Arkansas. Both have had multiple coaches in that span.
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Post by eagle54 on May 29, 2016 23:57:32 GMT -5
Damn. Eagle just got posterized! Hey Spirit what color is the sky in your world? Really, you need to stop trying because you embarrass yourself.
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Post by eagle54 on May 30, 2016 0:18:12 GMT -5
2 sweet 16s in 12 years. Would any other "major" program accept that and say that coach has "earned plenty of time" to turn it around? Yes, lots of them. I think your post needs more quotation marks. You should go back and edit it to add more. Your "bar" is "low" but that's not real "shocking" to "anyone." But you continue to be "constructive" with your posts. Nice work "Superfan."
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