dreamhoya
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Post by dreamhoya on Apr 23, 2016 0:05:07 GMT -5
hm. i remember reading recently a few posters saying that "pushing out" goes on in every program and that it was naive to think otherwise. THAT was pretty recent. I'll see if I can find it, but point is that I recall those statements - pretty sure it was in a thread re: whether some players were transferring.... There was a whole thread on it but now that we may have to do it our board circles the wagons to say that may not have been the case. Typical of what is discussed here. See "What does it say about our Hoyas? No Transfers. board oh i'm sorry i thought you were grouping the posters together based on a few posts and then telling them to get off their high horse from the horse you're sitting on.
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Apr 23, 2016 0:09:42 GMT -5
Doesn't change facts Dream. I'm sure you are proud of yourself but just shows you have no clue what's going on.
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Post by dreamhoya on Apr 23, 2016 0:26:32 GMT -5
Doesn't change facts Dream. I'm sure you are proud of yourself but just shows you have no clue what's going on. Oh trust me, I have a clue. Definitely have a clue. No, I'm not proud of myself, I don't operate that way.
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Post by eagle54 on Apr 23, 2016 0:34:16 GMT -5
Doesn't change facts Dream. I'm sure you are proud of yourself but just shows you have no clue what's going on. Oh trust me, I have a clue. Definitely have a clue. No, I'm not proud of myself, I don't operate that way. You make little sense then. That's fine, good for you.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 23, 2016 1:45:50 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2016 3:06:54 GMT -5
Really Really Happy for the kid.... In an era where kids are changing schools for the smallest of reasons you have a kid like Hayes who was stapled to the bench for 3 years, didn't complain, kept working, and kept being a great teammate.
Losing a Family memeber is incredibly tough but it's clear his father has done an excellent job raising this young man. It's a really good feeling knowing he got another chance to do his thing.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 23, 2016 5:16:30 GMT -5
Easy Professor. Let's all take a breath and realize it's not Kareem or Olajuwon coming back which is how this board is reacting. I think this hurts in that he doesn't fit with the makeup of this current roster and will hold younger players back from playing time, being themselves and moving on. I think it can never hurt to have options; this allows us the chance to pound it inside against teams that struggle to defend a true center. That said, it will definitely be on the staff to recognize when Bradley can be a weapon vs. when the game/opponent is too quick for B. to be on the court.
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dreamhoya
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Post by dreamhoya on Apr 23, 2016 6:34:47 GMT -5
Oh trust me, I have a clue. Definitely have a clue. No, I'm not proud of myself, I don't operate that way. You make little sense then. That's fine, good for you. Thanks. I appreciate it.
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Post by jld54 on Apr 23, 2016 7:00:24 GMT -5
This is a win-win all around for the student-athlete and the team. Having a fifth year senior who stuck with the program and worked hard to improve should be good for leadership and morale. As far as on floor performance, Hayes can be valuable depending on match ups. He is vulnerable against mobile centers and the pick and roll, so he should be more of a situational player. Hayes can be very effective offensively against certain teams and does have to be guarded, so if our outside shooting improves, he can improve the offense.
He will also allow Govan to develop at a pace where he will have not to be a 30+ minute performer every night. I do not buy the argument that this will deprive a younger player of experience. If the younger guy is better he should play. If not, then so be it.
In short, this affords the team quality, experienced front court depth, which is still important in CBB, and also rewards a guy who stuck it out through difficult times.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 23, 2016 8:19:49 GMT -5
Exactly. Depth did not look like a problem preseason last year, but it sure ended up that way due to injuries. That was somehow largely attributed to coaching.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2016 8:27:52 GMT -5
Is the chance of Hayes actually being granted a redshirt year now much greater than zero? Wouldn't this revolutionize the redshirt rule? I wouldn't mind having Hayes back for a fifth year, but if three years later a team could say hey, this guy hardly played three years ago, so we would now like to treat that freshman year as a redshirt year, I think it pretty much makes a mockery of the rule. It's about zero. I think Ben Standig has been reading too much HoyaTalk. "For a student-athlete to receive a Medical Hardship Waiver per Bylaw 14.2.4, the following four conditions must be met: The student-athlete may not have participated in more than two contests or dates of competition or 20 percent of the team's completed contests/dates of competition. The injury or illness must occur prior to the completion of the first half of the season. The injury or illness does not have to occur during practice/competition, but it must be incapacitating. Appropriate medical documentation must exist and be provided."Hayes played in nine of 32 games as a freshman (28%) including four in Big East play. No injury was reported. Hayes played in 16 of 33 games as a sophomore (48%) including ten in Big East play. No injury was reported. Hayes played in 17 of 33 games as a junior (51%) including 12 in Big East play. No injury was reported. This does not qualify as a medical redshirt. Lol. Love reading back through old threads that eventually have a resolution. A good reminder that most of us are just aging sports fans who like to think we have some intimate knowledge (or worse, advice) for what's happening in the program. The Internet version of the guy 40 rows up in a stadium yelling at a player. Yeah, he hears you ...
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dreamhoya
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Post by dreamhoya on Apr 23, 2016 8:43:33 GMT -5
Exactly. Depth did not look like a problem preseason last year, but it sure ended up that way due to injuries. That was somehow largely attributed to coaching. Can I give more than one thumbs up to the above. EXACTLY!
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Post by dreamhoya on Apr 23, 2016 8:44:48 GMT -5
This is a win-win all around for the student-athlete and the team. Having a fifth year senior who stuck with the program and worked hard to improve should be good for leadership and morale. As far as on floor performance, Hayes can be valuable depending on match ups. He is vulnerable against mobile centers and the pick and roll, so he should be more of a situational player. Hayes can be very effective offensively against certain teams and does have to be guarded, so if our outside shooting improves, he can improve the offense. He will also allow Govan to develop at a pace where he will have not to be a 30+ minute performer every night. I do not buy the argument that this will deprive a younger player of experience. If the younger guy is better he should play. If not, then so be it. In short, this affords the team quality, experienced front court depth, which is still important in CBB, and also rewards a guy who stuck it out through difficult times. Maybe Govan will be so good that he will need 30 minutes a night.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 23, 2016 8:54:22 GMT -5
diycollegerankings.com/can-college-athletes-receive-athletic-academic-scholarships/6267/Someone correct me if I'm miss reading this, but this says freshmen can get academic scholarship and not count as a counter if they meet the following criteria: "Top 10% of the high school graduating class Achieve a cumulative high school GPA of at least 3.50 Score 1200 or higher on the SAT or ACT sum score of at least 105" You'd think there'd be a lot of players around the country that would qualify for that type of aid. This PDF has a good breakdown of who is a counter and who isn't based on the type of aid the receive. home.earthlink.net/~bamajimbob/data/Counter.pdfSeems like a school like Georgetown that attracts it's fair share of academic minded ball players would be able to use this to their advantage. So there are options out there besides someone transferring. With all the sniping about what people said in the past about pushing players out I feel like this got missed. We likely won't push anyone out. Someone may be eligible for non counting financial aid due to academics. Or Mourning may be able to go off scholarship (which presuming was a discussed possibility prior to his coming on board is not pushing a kid out)
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 23, 2016 9:05:33 GMT -5
diycollegerankings.com/can-college-athletes-receive-athletic-academic-scholarships/6267/Someone correct me if I'm miss reading this, but this says freshmen can get academic scholarship and not count as a counter if they meet the following criteria: "Top 10% of the high school graduating class Achieve a cumulative high school GPA of at least 3.50 Score 1200 or higher on the SAT or ACT sum score of at least 105" You'd think there'd be a lot of players around the country that would qualify for that type of aid. The clause refers to institutionally-issued merit aid to freshmen and yes, some athletes do qualify for this. Georgetown does not award academic scholarships so it would not apply.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Apr 23, 2016 9:35:44 GMT -5
It's about zero. I think Ben Standig has been reading too much HoyaTalk. "For a student-athlete to receive a Medical Hardship Waiver per Bylaw 14.2.4, the following four conditions must be met: The student-athlete may not have participated in more than two contests or dates of competition or 20 percent of the team's completed contests/dates of competition. The injury or illness must occur prior to the completion of the first half of the season. The injury or illness does not have to occur during practice/competition, but it must be incapacitating. Appropriate medical documentation must exist and be provided."Hayes played in nine of 32 games as a freshman (28%) including four in Big East play. No injury was reported. Hayes played in 16 of 33 games as a sophomore (48%) including ten in Big East play. No injury was reported. Hayes played in 17 of 33 games as a junior (51%) including 12 in Big East play. No injury was reported. This does not qualify as a medical redshirt. Lol. Love reading back through old threads that eventually have a resolution. A good reminder that most of us are just aging sports fans who like to think we have some intimate knowledge (or worse, advice) for what's happening in the program. The Internet version of the guy 40 rows up in a stadium yelling at a player. Yeah, he hears you ... I am always amused by the length, time, and energy spent in research to prove argumentation on this board. I guess that's why a degree--BA, MA, whatever, is called a "degree" meaning a "degree of knowledge" not "all of knowledge".
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Post by aristides on Apr 23, 2016 9:56:17 GMT -5
I'm excited to see Hayes back! Hard to quantify the leadership and other intangibles he brings. I trust that JTIII will put his best players on the floor. This may be the oldest and most experienced team that JTIII has ever had. I'm starting to get the feeling that the coach doesn't apply for something unless he already knows the answer.
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 23, 2016 10:03:21 GMT -5
B. worked hard and waited his turn. He made a big jump last summer, and was a leader on this team. Very happy he gets the extra year to be a part of our program. All those posters who criticized JTIII endlessly for failing to redshirt Bradley? Once again the staff knows more about what is going on than any of us. I wouldn't go that far. If they knew so much more they wouldn't have to resort to trying to attain the firth year in the first place; he would have had his fifth year already thanks to a redshirt. Once again...the NCAA ends up deciding with bailing out III. And if they really knew what they were doing Hayes wouldn't have had to wait until late in his junior season before getting some real run. But again...these are only opinions. Now that the damage is done...who is leaving? The schollie count will be one over, right? Do you even hear yourself? He's playing 5 years...that's the only thing that matters and was the plan all along.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Apr 23, 2016 10:06:23 GMT -5
I'm excited to see Hayes back! Hard to quantify the leadership and other intangibles he brings. I trust that JTIII will put his best players on the floor. This may be the oldest and most experienced team that JTIII has ever had. I'm starting to get the feeling that the coach doesn't apply for something unless he already knows the answer. It's funny how we just went from one of the youngest and most inexperienced team to one of the oldest and more matured. Love it. Only wished all of them had come up together through the years.
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Post by wnyhoya on Apr 23, 2016 11:17:53 GMT -5
Welcome back Bradley!!! This team is DEEP
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