MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 22, 2016 22:02:26 GMT -5
B. worked hard and waited his turn. He made a big jump last summer, and was a leader on this team. Very happy he gets the extra year to be a part of our program. All those posters who criticized JTIII endlessly for failing to redshirt Bradley? Once again the staff knows more about what is going on than any of us. I wouldn't go that far. If they knew so much more they wouldn't have to resort to trying to attain the firth year in the first place; he would have had his fifth year already thanks to a redshirt. Once again...the NCAA ends up deciding with bailing out III. And if they really knew what they were doing Hayes wouldn't have had to wait until late in his junior season before getting some real run. But again...these are only opinions. Now that the damage is done...who is leaving? The schollie count will be one over, right?
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 22, 2016 22:03:06 GMT -5
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Apr 22, 2016 22:30:21 GMT -5
I say one of our underperforming players all of the sudden decides to transfer and this board will act like that was coming anyway. If that happens, we'll know that Georgetown does push kids out and you can all get off your high horse on the program not pushing kids out. It's business when it needs to be which I'm for.
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Hoyas4Ever
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 22, 2016 22:33:22 GMT -5
I beyond ecstatic for Mr. Bradley Hayes! He is the definition of a student athlete who has clawed his way for everything he has earned. He could have left after either of his first couple of years and transferred to mid major school and play 20-35 minutes a game but he stayed and worked his tail off until he got his chance. This is rare in this day and age with the almost 800 transfers across the country each of the last few years. He put Georgetown ahead of his personal goals and desires and is and always will be one of my favorite Hoyas of all time. Congratulations to Bradley Hayes "The Company Man" on being granted a 5th year. NOW THEIR IS NOTHING ELSE TO DO BUT GO OUT THERE AND WIN THE WHOLE DAMN THING!!!
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 22, 2016 22:50:32 GMT -5
To me this is like the Henry Sims situation all over again, albeit with maybe a few differences. In both cases we as fans saw this big man blossom out of nowhere his senior season and wished he had another year to play. Now that the damage is done So which is it? In the first post you make it sound like you wanted him back but your other post seems to say you are unhappy about Hayes coming back.
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Apr 22, 2016 22:56:50 GMT -5
Easy Professor. Let's all take a breath and realize it's not Kareem or Olajuwon coming back which is how this board is reacting. I think this hurts in that he doesn't fit with the makeup of this current roster and will hold younger players back from playing time, being themselves and moving on.
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 22, 2016 23:01:53 GMT -5
Easy Professor. Let's all take a breath and realize it's not Kareem or Olajuwon coming back which is how this board is reacting. I think this hurts in that he doesn't fit with the makeup of this current roster and will hold younger players back from playing time, being themselves and moving on. Why are you trying to pick fights 54? By all accounts Hayes is a good kid & a good thing happened for him.. Let the sniping go for one evening, we can all be right back at it tomorrow..
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Apr 22, 2016 23:08:36 GMT -5
Easy Professor. Let's all take a breath and realize it's not Kareem or Olajuwon coming back which is how this board is reacting. I think this hurts in that he doesn't fit with the makeup of this current roster and will hold younger players back from playing time, being themselves and moving on. Why are you trying to pick fights 54? By all accounts Hayes is a good kid & a good thing happened for him.. Let the sniping go for one evening, we can all be right back at it tomorrow.. Who's picking anything and what kind of message board is this that you can't have a discussion? You act like this is some high school program. If you want the continued group think, then create one thread (titled "group think") and I'll avoid any posts so you can have your utopia.
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dreamhoya
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Post by dreamhoya on Apr 22, 2016 23:15:33 GMT -5
I say one of our underperforming players all of the sudden decides to transfer and this board will act like that was coming anyway. If that happens, we'll know that Georgetown does push kids out and you can all get off your high horse on the program not pushing kids out. It's business when it needs to be which I'm for. Who said that folks weren't pushed out? We KNOW JT Jr. did it and we KNOW JTIII has done it with folks...
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Apr 22, 2016 23:17:26 GMT -5
Have you not been reading recently? Our board was patting ourselves on the back for not being that type of program. Do you want me to go find those posts? It's recent.
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 22, 2016 23:18:53 GMT -5
Why are you trying to pick fights 54? By all accounts Hayes is a good kid & a good thing happened for him.. Let the sniping go for one evening, we can all be right back at it tomorrow.. Who's picking anything and what kind of message board is this that you can't have a discussion? You act like this is some high school program. If you want the continued group think, then create one thread (titled "group think") and I'll avoid any posts so you can have your utopia. Be real 54, you're snipin' right now.. In 2 threads you've pushed the "Folks can stop pretending gtown doesn't do what other programs do" theory(I agree with this btw) Or posting that folks are acting like Hayes is Kareem or Hakeem, no one is doing that.. Actually my bad, do you 54..
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Apr 22, 2016 23:22:48 GMT -5
You are misguided as my message is consistent and I don't quite follow your last statement? What do you need me to interpret? If you think I said Georgetown doesn't do what other programs do in one thread as my statement than I'd say you need to reread that.
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Post by guru on Apr 22, 2016 23:27:39 GMT -5
Have you not been reading recently? Our board was patting ourselves on the back for not being that type of program. Do you want me to go find those posts? It's recent. Yes, please. I'd be interested to read those posts. Haven't had much time to visit the board lately. Thanks in advance for your research.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 22, 2016 23:30:57 GMT -5
Why would Hayes be Ochefu? Govan is the #1 and Hayes is the backup. If Govan can't beat out Hayes this year then he's not as good as people think. But I don't see happening. That's naive in the culture our staff uses. They run a union shop when it comes to playing time which is why DSR played too much this past year. Turn the page professor and you may just surprise yourself. I love how an all-conference player and one of the top scorers in GU history "played too much." The glee with which so many posters on here trash outgoing and former players is disgusting. I think you posted on here way too much last year. Turn the page? Really? And most times you can't hear 'em talk, other times you can. All the same old cliches, "Is it woman? Is it man?" And you always seem outnumbered, you don't dare make a stand. Make your stand eagle54.
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Apr 22, 2016 23:32:11 GMT -5
Apr 15, 2016 at 9:27am QuotelikePost Options Post by EtomicB on Apr 15, 2016 at 9:27am bostonfan Avatar Apr 14, 2016 at 4:20pm bostonfan said: I am glad that they don't follow the pattern that some schools do now where a kid gets his scholarship pulled because he does not perform up to expectations. No matter how well he played last season, Tre made a commitment to Georgetown when he decided to play for the Hoyas and the school should show some loyalty and give him the chance to compete for minutes next year. That doesn't mean you have to give him minutes if he doesn't earn them but he should have that scholarship for as long as he wants to be a Hoya.
You can't kill Duke, and similar schools, for pulling scholarships from kids because they found a better option and then think it is Ok to do the same thing. If you make a mistake on a recruit, then you simply don't play him very much, but you need to show the same loyalty to those players you want the kids to show to the school.
This is one of the the main reasons most kids leave though Boston, this taking away scholarships theory doesn't happen very much imo.. Pitino is the only coach I can think of who does it regularly..
Take Bolden as an example, I doubt JT3 "took" his scholarship from him but I do believe he let him know that PT would be very scarce for him so he left.. Same thing for Domingo a year later..
Do you really think Duke took Thornton's scholarship away from him? Not a chance, the team would be better with him imo..
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 22, 2016 23:32:15 GMT -5
You are misguided as my message is consistent and I don't quite follow your last statement? What do you need me to interpret? If you think I said Georgetown doesn't do what other programs do in one thread as my statement than I'd say you need to reread that. Maybe I did misread.. I thought you were trying to say that many posters on the board get on programs that recruit over or push kids out, they also applaud the Gtown program for not doing that(supposedly).. However seeing that the team is now over the scholarship limit a player has to either leave or give up the scholarship which would put Gtown in the same boat as a lot of other programs which in turn makes said posters look wrong or like hypocrites.. Is this not correct?
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Apr 22, 2016 23:35:23 GMT -5
Etomic, correct.
I personally have no problem with redirecting a kid that wants to play scholarship basketball at a program where he can play and contribute. I think for someone to stay here and sit on the bench for four years with a scholarship and never play meaningful time is a waste of both the players time and the program's time.
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dreamhoya
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Post by dreamhoya on Apr 22, 2016 23:35:32 GMT -5
Have you not been reading recently? Our board was patting ourselves on the back for not being that type of program. Do you want me to go find those posts? It's recent. hm. i remember reading recently a few posters saying that "pushing out" goes on in every program and that it was naive to think otherwise. THAT was pretty recent. I'll see if I can find it, but point is that I recall those statements - pretty sure it was in a thread re: whether some players were transferring....
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Apr 22, 2016 23:39:25 GMT -5
That's naive in the culture our staff uses. They run a union shop when it comes to playing time which is why DSR played too much this past year. Turn the page professor and you may just surprise yourself. I love how an all-conference player and one of the top scorers in GU history "played too much." The glee with which so many posters on here trash outgoing and former players is disgusting. I think you posted on here way too much last year. Turn the page? Really? And most times you can't hear 'em talk, other times you can. All the same old cliches, "Is it woman? Is it man?" And you always seem outnumbered, you don't dare make a stand. Make your stand eagle54. Take a stand for what? I've been quite clear in what I believe unlike your rambling. You bully people and that's fine but won't affect me. I have a singular focus in actually being a winning program. Not a blind loyalist. If you don't want a discussion then stop posting to try and shut everyone down. It's tired but I guess that's you. Get over yourself.
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Apr 22, 2016 23:42:32 GMT -5
Have you not been reading recently? Our board was patting ourselves on the back for not being that type of program. Do you want me to go find those posts? It's recent. hm. i remember reading recently a few posters saying that "pushing out" goes on in every program and that it was naive to think otherwise. THAT was pretty recent. I'll see if I can find it, but point is that I recall those statements - pretty sure it was in a thread re: whether some players were transferring.... There was a whole thread on it but now that we may have to do it our board circles the wagons to say that may not have been the case. Typical of what is discussed here. See "What does it say about our Hoyas? No Transfers." board
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