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Post by SSHoya on May 16, 2016 8:00:08 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing, didn't realize Mulmore had such a high TO rate last year...hopefully he'll play more within himself next year. This may be totally meaningless but I just checked Steve Francis's stats. At San Jacinto, he had 104 TOs in 35 games. At Allegany he had 134 TOs also in 35 games. Haven't seen any JUCO ball but perhaps because at the JUCO level the star is handling the ball so much more than any other starter? You stats guys have an opinion?
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Post by beenaround on May 16, 2016 8:33:45 GMT -5
From the highlight package on Pryor...looks a little like Victor Page? Lefty..attacks hard, can shoot the J. If he is 75 pct as good as Page, I will be quite happy.
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Post by BigmanU on May 16, 2016 10:28:12 GMT -5
Is this from the same outfit that I believe claimed Paul & Ike were going to bounce?
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Post by LCPolo18 on May 16, 2016 11:40:18 GMT -5
Is this from the same outfit that I believe claimed Paul & Ike were going to bounce? Yes, same outfit, same author, but one month later. Apparently the team went from "collapse" to "dangerous" in a month.
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Post by DanMcQ on May 16, 2016 12:11:25 GMT -5
Is this from the same outfit that I believe claimed Paul & Ike were going to bounce? Yes, same outfit, same author, but one month later. Apparently the team went from "collapse" to "dangerous" in a month. This is a nice disclaimer from just below the article:
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Post by DFW HOYA on May 16, 2016 12:18:53 GMT -5
This is a nice disclaimer from just below the article: In other words, a blog post with its own headline.
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Post by guru on May 16, 2016 13:34:46 GMT -5
This is a nice disclaimer from just below the article: In other words, a blog post with its own headline. Um, no. There is nothing pejorative in modern-day journalism parlance about a "blog post" - just about every well-respected journalist also writes "blog posts" these days. I think what you mean is a user-generated, unedited submission with its own headline.
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Post by DFW HOYA on May 16, 2016 13:56:43 GMT -5
In other words, a blog post with its own headline. Um, no. There is nothing pejorative in modern-day journalism parlance about a "blog post" - just about every well-respected journalist also writes "blog posts" these days. I think what you mean is a user-generated, unedited submission with its own headline. Good point. Thanks.
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Post by trillesthoya on Jun 2, 2016 1:42:17 GMT -5
Couple things Rant sports is doing a top 100 players list for college basketball. So far they've released numbers 100-30, and yup you guessed it not a single Georgetown player. Link for reference www.rantsports.com/ncaa-basketball/2016/06/01/top-100-college-basketball-players-for-2016-17-season-31-40/Second, Joe Lunardi also just released his latest bracketology. Don't take me wrong, I know lunardi isn't always the most accurate, but its disturbing that we weren't even included in that either. He even has Marquette in a play-in game and not us! espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology/_/iteration/134I'm seeing all this and am really stunned. I have yet to see a single pre-season article mention us to any degree. With the solid offseason we've had (two new assistant coaches, two new players in mulmore and pryor and the surprise return of hayes) one would expect we would at least get a reference here or there. Am I just delusional about the type of season we should have with our talent (imo at least second weekend), or is literally every single analyst in the game sleeping on us?
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 2, 2016 1:53:31 GMT -5
They are sleeping on us IMO. But its our own fault. The team shouldn't have as been nearly as bad last season and now the prognosticators easily dismiss us going forward.
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Post by SaxaCD on Jun 2, 2016 4:20:20 GMT -5
They are sleeping on us IMO. But its our own fault. The team shouldn't have as been nearly as bad last season and now the prognosticators easily dismiss us going forward. I totally agree -- I think we will be better than the expectations, but we earned those expectations, so just accept them and prove them wrong with the W/L column.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 2, 2016 8:32:08 GMT -5
Couple things Rant sports is doing a top 100 players list for college basketball. So far they've released numbers 100-30, and yup you guessed it not a single Georgetown player. Link for reference www.rantsports.com/ncaa-basketball/2016/06/01/top-100-college-basketball-players-for-2016-17-season-31-40/Second, Joe Lunardi also just released his latest bracketology. Don't take me wrong, I know lunardi isn't always the most accurate, but its disturbing that we weren't even included in that either. He even has Marquette in a play-in game and not us! espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology/_/iteration/134I'm seeing all this and am really stunned. I have yet to see a single pre-season article mention us to any degree. With the solid offseason we've had (two new assistant coaches, two new players in mulmore and pryor and the surprise return of hayes) one would expect we would at least get a reference here or there. Am I just delusional about the type of season we should have with our talent (imo at least second weekend), or is literally every single analyst in the game sleeping on us? The top 100 list shouldn't be surprising. No one from a 15-18 team would garner that kind of support, and Copeland's reputation has evaporated. Peak is the only one who's going to get pre-season attention right now but he's still unproven in some areas. Hayes is still seen as a project and a fifth year probably doesn't change that. We as fans like to think of him as the next Henry Sims but he has a long way to go to get to that status. I share the optimism about talent but none of the changes seen from outside McDonough would, at least in June, be seen as a big impact. Coaches add assistants all the time and every school sees it as an upgrade, so the Waheed/Solomon addition doesn't move the needle. Likewise, Mulmore and Pryor are productive additions but they're not going to get the attention a Dennis Smith or a Frank Jackson will get by comparison. (I'm a little surprised that Mosely is off the radar altogether.) Less discussed, perhaps, is what kind of impact they'll all have if Peak and Campbell still get 20-25 mins. of time per game. That's anathema to some on this board but Campbell is certainly capable of it and hasn't been consigned to a Reggie Cameron status on the depth chart. Yes, I think there is some frustration with the lack of positive publicity around the 15-16 team. Compared to other dailies, the Post has largely shut down Georgetown sports coverage until October and ESPN will not be driving much coverage. It may require JT III to be a little more proactive about promotion entering the pre-season. In the end, you are what your record says you are and the record says this is a team just 10 games over .500 in the last three seasons.
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Post by EtomicB on Jun 2, 2016 9:23:21 GMT -5
Couple things Rant sports is doing a top 100 players list for college basketball. So far they've released numbers 100-30, and yup you guessed it not a single Georgetown player. Link for reference www.rantsports.com/ncaa-basketball/2016/06/01/top-100-college-basketball-players-for-2016-17-season-31-40/Second, Joe Lunardi also just released his latest bracketology. Don't take me wrong, I know lunardi isn't always the most accurate, but its disturbing that we weren't even included in that either. He even has Marquette in a play-in game and not us! espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology/_/iteration/134I'm seeing all this and am really stunned. I have yet to see a single pre-season article mention us to any degree. With the solid offseason we've had (two new assistant coaches, two new players in mulmore and pryor and the surprise return of hayes) one would expect we would at least get a reference here or there. Am I just delusional about the type of season we should have with our talent (imo at least second weekend), or is literally every single analyst in the game sleeping on us? The top 100 list shouldn't be surprising. No one from a 15-18 team would garner that kind of support, and Copeland's reputation has evaporated. Peak is the only one who's going to get pre-season attention right now but he's still unproven in some areas. Hayes is still seen as a project and a fifth year probably doesn't change that. We as fans like to think of him as the next Henry Sims but he has a long way to go to get to that status. I share the optimism about talent but none of the changes seen from outside McDonough would, at least in June, be seen as a big impact. Coaches add assistants all the time and every school sees it as an upgrade, so the Waheed/Solomon addition doesn't move the needle. Likewise, Mulmore and Pryor are productive additions but they're not going to get the attention a Dennis Smith or a Frank Jackson will get by comparison. (I'm a little surprised that Mosely is off the radar altogether.) Less discussed, perhaps, is what kind of impact they'll all have if Peak and Campbell still get 20-25 mins. of time per game. That's anathema to some on this board but Campbell is certainly capable of it and hasn't been consigned to a Reggie Cameron status on the depth chart. Yes, I think there is some frustration with the lack of positive publicity around the 15-16 team. Compared to other dailies, the Post has largely shut down Georgetown sports coverage until October and ESPN will not be driving much coverage. It may require JT III to be a little more proactive about promotion entering the pre-season. In the end, you are what your record says you are and the record says this is a team just 10 games over .500 in the last three seasons. This is the key for me.. If the Georgetown Program doesn't feel the need to talk about Gtown basketball then why would anyone else? What's there for the Post to talk about when the program is basically mute on everything it does.. Look at Standigs tweet from yesterday, he was quick to point out that this was old news before saying that Gtown will announce Solomon as the new assistant.. It seemed like he was making sure folks knew that this wasn't any new info.. It has to be frustrating for a beat reporter.. Even JT3s quote in the GU Hoyas write up was meh but I'll take it considering I couldn't find any quote from him on the Waheed hiring.. I still think its shortsighted of JT3 not to speak about the program after an overhaul to his staff..
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Post by jld on Jun 2, 2016 10:11:25 GMT -5
I think that this discussion is really not that important. The program has not done well over the past three years and last year was close to a disaster. There is little overall interest in the sporting world about a sub-500 BE team.
JT3 has made good moves to start to dig out of the hole that the program has found itself in, by picking up experienced guards and shaking up the staff. Hopefully these steps will pay off and we can get back to the NCAAs this year. Then, the recruiting in the classes of 2017 and 2018 will be critical. CBB has devolved into a model of either a super one and done type team winning it all (KY, Duke), or a good "regular programs winning (UConn, Nova) when the one and done crop is not extraordinary. GU will never be a one and done program so the key is to build a balanced, deep team of 4 year guys like Nova has done.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 2, 2016 10:52:42 GMT -5
I agree with much of what has been written here. After a season like last year's, we shouldn't expect any buzz. We don't have a large top notch class coming in, and while the Mulmore and Pryor signings are nice (and the latter, particularly, has gotten some press), they aren't the type of thing that's going to garner a whole lot of attention.
Fortunately, unlike football, these early polls and brackets don't really matter. If we perform well, we will quickly get on the radar and in the news (our solid OOC allows that to happen quickly and easily, if we win). For what it's worth, Georgetown generally appeared in most pre-season brackets last season, and we didn't even make the tournament.
All that being said, I do think we need to be realistic in expectations. I think it's realistic to expect to make the tournament this year. Anything beyond that - at this point - is probably unrealistic simply because we have a ton of question marks and 5 guys who didn't play on our team last year (White, Agau, Mosely, Pryor, Mulmore). We could certainly be a lot better than simply making the tournament, but I thought the same thing last year before the season, and it simply did not pan out. Let's hope this year is different!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2016 10:54:11 GMT -5
I think that this discussion is really not that important. The program has not done well over the past three years and last year was close to a disaster. There is little overall interest in the sporting world about a sub-500 BE team. JT3 has made good moves to start to dig out of the hole that the program has found itself in, by picking up experienced guards and shaking up the staff. Hopefully these steps will pay off and we can get back to the NCAAs this year. Then, the recruiting in the classes of 2017 and 2018 will be critical. CBB has devolved into a model of either a super one and done type team winning it all (KY, Duke), or a good "regular programs winning (UConn, Nova) when the one and done crop is not extraordinary. GU will never be a one and done program so the key is to build a balanced, deep team of 4 year guys like Nova has done. Yeah man who cares. Win some games in November December and you'll get plenty of coverage...
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jun 2, 2016 11:48:59 GMT -5
Yup. The same response that Bilas always has to teams whining after Selection Sunday.
Win. More. Games.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jun 3, 2016 7:38:39 GMT -5
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Post by EtomicB on Jun 3, 2016 8:26:55 GMT -5
I think that this discussion is really not that important. The program has not done well over the past three years and last year was close to a disaster. There is little overall interest in the sporting world about a sub-500 BE team. JT3 has made good moves to start to dig out of the hole that the program has found itself in, by picking up experienced guards and shaking up the staff. Hopefully these steps will pay off and we can get back to the NCAAs this year. Then, the recruiting in the classes of 2017 and 2018 will be critical. CBB has devolved into a model of either a super one and done type team winning it all (KY, Duke), or a good "regular programs winning (UConn, Nova) when the one and done crop is not extraordinary. GU will never be a one and done program so the key is to build a balanced, deep team of 4 year guys like Nova has done. Yeah man who cares. Win some games in November December and you'll get plenty of coverage... Wouldn't some coverage now, especially local press help raise Gtown's profile some? Wouldn't a higher profile help with recruiting some as well? There are always discussions about the perceptions around the program, why doesn't the program work to define themselves more? I get that winning cures most ills but the season doesn't start for 5 months.. If JT3 doesn't want to use the press, he can use GU Hoyas & twitter to get info out there..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 10:33:10 GMT -5
Yeah man who cares. Win some games in November December and you'll get plenty of coverage... Wouldn't some coverage now, especially local press help raise Gtown's profile some? Wouldn't a higher profile help with recruiting some as well? There are always discussions about the perceptions around the program, why doesn't the program work to define themselves more? I get that winning cures most ills but the season doesn't start for 5 months.. If JT3 doesn't want to use the press, he can use GU Hoyas & twitter to get info out there.. I hear what you're saying but it's just not high on my list.. For me It's show me time.
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