eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Apr 16, 2016 21:23:28 GMT -5
Best bets are Peak and White but perhaps Copeland could be the guy. Its also possible the JUCO transfer Mulmore could be a leader. While its hard to think they would be accepted as the leader, the other needs are defensive stoppers who don't stall the offense and it is very possible we have a few of those next year. Finally just having the whole squad healthy would be a big plus! No way LJ will be a team leader. Same with Ike. Need someone completely sure of his game who can see the court and focus on making everyone else better. I hate to refer to a Nova payer but Archidiacano in my mind is the archetype (no pun intended). Not since Jon Wallace have we had anyone even close. If Otto had stayed he could have grown into that role. I really believe that unless and until we find "that guy" we will struggle. I disagree and think LJ can be the leader and certainly has the talent. I think having DSR this year held him back from taking that role as they felt it was still his team. I do believe and hope for all of our sake we see a different group of players next year then what we saw this year.
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Post by bicentennial on Apr 16, 2016 21:38:58 GMT -5
There is a difference between a great team leader and a point guard team leader. I think Arch was a great point guard team leader for Villanova this year.
If you want a great point guard team leader then I agree there is no obvious candidate.
Having said that, as long as LJ is allowed to play a 2/3 position I could easily see him being a great team leader but not a point guard. He is vocal and seemed intent on motivating others on the court when trying to spark many of our rallies this year! Similarly but less likely, Copeland could gain confidence and become a team leader while playing the 3. White gives me great hope as he is the only one of the current players who gave signs of understanding the Jeff Green roll which wss as team leader from the 4 and he is vocal on offense and defense and seems to really see the whole court. It is unlikely that Mosely will be a Freshman Team Leader from the point but an efficient point guard distributor will help the team and the hope is within a year or at most two he would be a great point guard leader. Perhaps Mulmore could be a point guard leader although seems he is also more a 2 than a 1. Mulmore faces the uphill battle that is lack of familiarity. Still, some leaders take that seeming disadvantage and exert their control by showing mastery in daily situations.
Finally, part of the Freshman to Sophmore leap is that sometimes a player has gained comfort with the team and can exert leadership. I saw moments when all three of our freshman showed leadership instincts. Part of their leap could make one of them a great leader as well.
My hope is that Paul White becomes leader of the team.
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Apr 16, 2016 21:42:50 GMT -5
I think we are saying team leader = point guard which isn't and doesn't have to be the case. Do we need a capable point guard, the answer is yes. That doesn't mean said PG needs to be the team leader.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 17, 2016 1:01:02 GMT -5
No, we don't need a Jeff Green type. We need coaching that adjusts to the players on the roster rather than trying to pigeonhole current players into duplicating the style of players long gone. I think III has done a good job as of late avoiding this. Yeah, it would be nice to get another Jeff Green in that it would be nice to bring in more athletically gifted and skilled forwards with a will to win. But that's different to me than the "Jeff Green roll" chat which usually is code for a 4 forward who the Gtown offense runs through. Granted I could see White doing this but only because White is a more gifted ballhandler and passer than Jeff ever was and probably shouldn't play the four in the first place.
And if Wallace could have actually played the point like Archidiacano (you know...handle most of the ball dribbling duties, create off the dribble) then perhaps Gtown would have won it all in 2007. But Wallace, no matter how beloved by Hoya fans, was a very limited player. Much more limited than the often maligned DSR. But I guess people are factoring intangibles that are hard to measure.
I'd prefer to look forward than backwards and allow these current players come into their own by paying in a manner that better benefits them.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 17, 2016 1:06:24 GMT -5
No way LJ will be a team leader. No way? And you know this how? You know what is a sign of good leadership? Someone setting an example. While most of the Gtown players were playing worse in the final months of the season Peak, on the other hand kept at it, despite all the losing, consistently playing the best ball of his short career and the best of the team in general. That's setting an example. Not crying about being kicked out of the starting lineup and having no issue (as was reported on one site) of continuing to come off the bench for the remainder of the season? That's showing leadership too.
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Post by bicentennial on Apr 17, 2016 14:47:21 GMT -5
Wasn't trying to pigeon hole anyone. Agree White different from Jeff Green. Agree next year's team will be different and hoping for a big rebound. Lots of potential leaders on the team not least of all Peak who already has shown lots of leadership as a sophomore this past season! DSR was a great player but he often wore his emotions on his shoulders which were always down when we were down. As pointed out, LJ doesn't seem as affected by a deficit, often playing his best ball trying to rally the team. Not quite as emotional as Jabril was but always seems to channel his emotion to his teammates.
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Post by deacon on Apr 17, 2016 22:45:56 GMT -5
With the addition of Pryor for next season, there are zero excuses for a repeat of anything close to what happened this season.
We have the talent.
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Post by blueandgray on Apr 18, 2016 0:05:53 GMT -5
Outlook just got a lot brighter. We could be scary good next year.
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Post by trillesthoya on Apr 18, 2016 1:24:30 GMT -5
So our problems last year (lack of a true point guard, poor defending and lack of vocal leadership) should hopefully be at least some what addressed with the addition of Mulmore and Pryor. The things we are losing this year (DSR and Bradley Hayes) are hurtful, but not necessarily impossible to recover from. My hope is that Pryor makes up for some/most of DSR's production, and that Govan develops further and Akoy or Mourning become a solid backup option to him.
Being a great team this year is possible. Now it's just a matter of do they want it, and are they going to do what's necessary to achieve it.
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Post by SaxaCD on Apr 18, 2016 1:50:50 GMT -5
Outlook just got a lot brighter. We could be scary good next year. A lot, again, will depend on the on-court chemistry, but it seems as though the staff has done about the best job we could have hoped for plugging in "need" players -- Pryor is an excellent rebounder; Mosely, Pryor and Mulmore can all handle the ball and pass fairly well; Pryor and Mulmore are proven scorers who also are more experienced than any incoming freshmen might be. We might be a bit thin at "true 5", but these days that seems to be the rule and not the exception at the college (and pro?) levels. I can't imagine this team won't be really entertaining to watch, especially on the break, which has been another sore spot recently. If these guys "buy in" as far as playing as a unit, as JT3 preaches, I am very hopeful. Of course, I was quite hopeful that last year the offense would be able to offset the defense, so we will have to see, but things certainly seem to be looking up over the past few weeks!
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Post by drquigley on Apr 18, 2016 9:00:01 GMT -5
No way LJ will be a team leader. No way? And you know this how? You know what is a sign of good leadership? Someone setting an example. While most of the Gtown players were playing worse in the final months of the season Peak, on the other hand kept at it, despite all the losing, consistently playing the best ball of his short career and the best of the team in general. That's setting an example. Not crying about being kicked out of the starting lineup and having no issue (as was reported on one site) of continuing to come off the bench for the remainder of the season? That's showing leadership too. I know this from seeing how JT3 used LJ. If you think a player is or could be your team leader you leave him on the court not have him sit out the first 5-6 minutes of each half. You also trust him to bring the ball up court and run the offense. That's why team leaders are usually point guards. You also expect him to talk to his teammates on defense. I love LJ and think he will be our best player next year. But I didn't see any leadership traits in his game. You can't demand leadership. It is usually given to you by your peers. Hopefully someone will step up next year that the players look to and respect enough to accept him as their leader. Ideally it would be a point guard but Campbell doesn't seem to have earned it and you can't expect freshmen to be given it. I think if White steps up and gets lots of playing time he might assume the role but it will be interesting to see how Caleb matures and if the JUCO transfers bring some leadership qualities with them.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Apr 18, 2016 9:11:30 GMT -5
No way? And you know this how? You know what is a sign of good leadership? Someone setting an example. While most of the Gtown players were playing worse in the final months of the season Peak, on the other hand kept at it, despite all the losing, consistently playing the best ball of his short career and the best of the team in general. That's setting an example. Not crying about being kicked out of the starting lineup and having no issue (as was reported on one site) of continuing to come off the bench for the remainder of the season? That's showing leadership too. I know this from seeing how JT3 used LJ. If you think a player is or could be your team leader you leave him on the court not have him sit out the first 5-6 minutes of each half. You also trust him to bring the ball up court and run the offense. That's why team leaders are usually point guards. You also expect him to talk to his teammates on defense. I love LJ and think he will be our best player next year. But I didn't see any leadership traits in his game. You can't demand leadership. It is usually given to you by your peers. Hopefully someone will step up next year that the players look to and respect enough to accept him as their leader. Ideally it would be a point guard but Campbell doesn't seem to have earned it and you can't expect freshmen to be given it. I think if White steps up and gets lots of playing time he might assume the role but it will be interesting to see how Caleb matures and if the JUCO transfers bring some leadership qualities with them. Actually I think LJ will be a team leader. He asked to remain on the bench because it gave him a way of seeing the flow of the game. That helped him not only avoid foul trouble but also see where he could best impact the game. He was also more effective in the second half than in the first half of games. To me this suggests a thoughtfulness that will translate into team leadership.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 18, 2016 11:24:46 GMT -5
No way? And you know this how? You know what is a sign of good leadership? Someone setting an example. While most of the Gtown players were playing worse in the final months of the season Peak, on the other hand kept at it, despite all the losing, consistently playing the best ball of his short career and the best of the team in general. That's setting an example. Not crying about being kicked out of the starting lineup and having no issue (as was reported on one site) of continuing to come off the bench for the remainder of the season? That's showing leadership too. I know this from seeing how JT3 used LJ. If you think a player is or could be your team leader you leave him on the court not have him sit out the first 5-6 minutes of each half. You also trust him to bring the ball up court and run the offense. That's why team leaders are usually point guards. You also expect him to talk to his teammates on defense. I love LJ and think he will be our best player next year. But I didn't see any leadership traits in his game. You can't demand leadership. It is usually given to you by your peers. Hopefully someone will step up next year that the players look to and respect enough to accept him as their leader. Ideally it would be a point guard but Campbell doesn't seem to have earned it and you can't expect freshmen to be given it. I think if White steps up and gets lots of playing time he might assume the role but it will be interesting to see how Caleb matures and if the JUCO transfers bring some leadership qualities with them. You know this? LJ may or may not be a leader of next year's team, but I don't buy your reasoning.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 18, 2016 11:55:13 GMT -5
Actually I think LJ will be a team leader. He asked to remain on the bench because it gave him a way of seeing the flow of the game. That helped him not only avoid foul trouble but also see where he could best impact the game. He was also more effective in the second half than in the first half of games. To me this suggests a thoughtfulness that will translate into team leadership. It also indicates that Peak has a level of modesty and humility too, which is a good quality. He easily could have been gunning to get back into the starting lineup, but maturely realized that he was doing better off the bench, even if it didn't give him the cache of being a starter (which is important to some people). My guess is Peak will be a starter this season, and will only come out if foul trouble is a problem. I think the move made sense last year because it helped with his foul trouble, but you hope he's working on that in the off season (along with the rest of the team), and hopefully fouling won't be a problem or impediment to his starting.
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Post by drquigley on Apr 18, 2016 13:29:17 GMT -5
I know this from seeing how JT3 used LJ. If you think a player is or could be your team leader you leave him on the court not have him sit out the first 5-6 minutes of each half. You also trust him to bring the ball up court and run the offense. That's why team leaders are usually point guards. You also expect him to talk to his teammates on defense. I love LJ and think he will be our best player next year. But I didn't see any leadership traits in his game. You can't demand leadership. It is usually given to you by your peers. Hopefully someone will step up next year that the players look to and respect enough to accept him as their leader. Ideally it would be a point guard but Campbell doesn't seem to have earned it and you can't expect freshmen to be given it. I think if White steps up and gets lots of playing time he might assume the role but it will be interesting to see how Caleb matures and if the JUCO transfers bring some leadership qualities with them. Actually I think LJ will be a team leader. He asked to remain on the bench because it gave him a way of seeing the flow of the game. That helped him not only avoid foul trouble but also see where he could best impact the game. He was also more effective in the second half than in the first half of games. To me this suggests a thoughtfulness that will translate into team leadership. Are you saying JT3 wanted LJ to start and play more but LJ told him to cram it? If that's true and JT3 went along then maybe he really is the future leader of this team. However I find it really hard to believe that our coach allowed our best offensive player to sit for 10+ minutes a game because he wanted to "see the flow of the game".
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Post by dense on Apr 18, 2016 13:44:30 GMT -5
eagle is right in this case. Seven RSCI top 100 recruits and the leading Juco scorer and only one senior. Any other team with that talent is thinking Sweet 16 this year and two years from a deep run. You can't cry injury, inexperience, and circumstance when you lose and then when you add White, Agau, and Mulmore to a maturing team not expect to win. It's a big prove it year and no amount of sandbagging changes that. I don't put much stock into high school rankings vs. what I saw on the court this year. And what I saw on the court this year, with a few notable exceptions, is a team that needs to improve significantly to be sniffing anywhere near the Sweet 16. Is it possible? Sure. Probable? No. And I am very worried about the lack of leadership on this team. Will Peak be that guy? I don't know. And I wouldn't pin my hopes on a JUCO transfer filling that role either. So, to me, we have a ton of question marks that don't make me feel very confident we're about to make a deep NCAA run. Eh this also a team that handly beat a final four team in syracuse. Predicting how far you go in the tournament is silly in Jan let alone April at the beginning of the offseason.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 18, 2016 16:33:39 GMT -5
Food for thought:
Mulmore was a 81% FT shooter last year. Pryor was a 86% FT shooter last year. Mosley is a pretty good FT shooter, but we will need to see how that translates to college.
If the team holds form from this year, and Kaleb improves his 51% FT, then we will be a phenomenal FT shooting team next year and match or improve our #18 FT% national ranking.
Pryor will be 24 y.o. in October. MAN!
How old is Mulmore?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 18, 2016 16:47:38 GMT -5
However I find it really hard to believe that our coach allowed our best offensive player to sit for 10+ minutes a game because he wanted to "see the flow of the game". I think this is right. My feeling is that Peak started playing better (and fouling less) after he left the starting rotation, and JT3 decided to leave him there considering that Peak was playing starter minutes anyway. Now, it's very possible JT3 had a discussion with Peak and Peak said he preferred to stay coming off the bench, and JT3 was in agreement, but I very much doubt Peak was calling the shots. I think it was more a case of not messing with a change that had positive benefits.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Apr 18, 2016 17:03:06 GMT -5
Actually I think LJ will be a team leader. He asked to remain on the bench because it gave him a way of seeing the flow of the game. That helped him not only avoid foul trouble but also see where he could best impact the game. He was also more effective in the second half than in the first half of games. To me this suggests a thoughtfulness that will translate into team leadership. Are you saying JT3 wanted LJ to start and play more but LJ told him to cram it? If that's true and JT3 went along then maybe he really is the future leader of this team. However I find it really hard to believe that our coach allowed our best offensive player to sit for 10+ minutes a game because he wanted to "see the flow of the game". The coach explains the decision to leave LJ out of the starting line-up during the media availability before the second Seton Hall game. I don't think LJ told him to cram it, FWIW, but the reasoning is explained here (at around 3:30 mark): .
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Post by eagle54 on Apr 19, 2016 22:24:24 GMT -5
Let's just hope this staff can at least figure out the most talented player last year and next year should be starting.
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