Locker
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Post by Locker on May 10, 2005 8:09:40 GMT -5
I would say that Baby Doc is the highest rated recruit since Mike Sweetney, though he might end up more highly rated than Big Mike. In which case you'd have to go back to Anthony Perry, I think.
Does John Starks have any kids who can play? What about Herb Williams?
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RBHoya
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Post by RBHoya on May 10, 2005 9:45:08 GMT -5
I believe that your interpretation of the scholarship always counting is correct Buffalo. Any stated reason as to why Wallace won't be getting a scholarship? As far as I know from his achademic performance and background he is probably already receiving financial aid. The Wallace situation is tough. I think he definitly played well enough this year to warrant a scholarship. As a classmate I'd like to see Jon get a scholarship as a reward for his hardwork, but as a fan I'd like to see him maintain walkon status so we can go after another player in the 2006 class (Macklin, Lance Thomas, Summers). Jon was supposed to be going to Princeton previously, where there are no athletic scholarships, and then he came to Georgetown. Because he's a very bright guy with high SAT and academics I'm guessing he's already getting a good deal of financial aid. Maybe he and his family are content with what they've got, considering that their financial position is about what it would have been had he gone to the ivy league. Maybe being on national tv and playing in a program that has great notoriety was enough for Jon to prefer Georgetown over Princeton regardless of the scholarship. I really don't know.
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Post by the_way on May 10, 2005 10:09:18 GMT -5
Isn't financial aid need base, in terms of finances and not academics based. Please inform. Plus, its not like financial aid grows on trees and falls out the sky. I hope the kid gets a scholarship. Wallace contributed a heck of a lot more than players who are on scholarship on this team.
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Post by nychoya3 on May 10, 2005 10:27:11 GMT -5
Other than a few merit scholarships like John Carroll (which is only a few thousand bucks), yes, aid is need based, with no regard for merit.
I think he gets his scholarship. I mean, presumably he talked with coach about this last year, and they set some goals for what he needed to contribute. Well, he averaged 30 minutes a game and was a solid presence out there as a freshman. It would have been tough to ask for more out of him.
From a basketball perspective, it's not ideal, since we have so many incoming guards. But there are other factors at play, and I think (totally guessing, by the way) that he will be on an athletic scholarship come next season.
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Post by CTHoya08 on May 10, 2005 10:37:52 GMT -5
The problem is, if we give Wallace a scholarship, we'll only have one for '06-'07, which is going to Rivers. The incoming guards will probably mean that Wallace's role will be diminished in the coming years, but he's still done a lot more to earn a scholarship this year than someone like Sead ever will.
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Post by kchoya on May 10, 2005 10:45:27 GMT -5
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GUHoya07
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Post by GUHoya07 on May 10, 2005 10:51:50 GMT -5
Other than all the complaining and rationalizing over there, this was an interesting post: Georgetown - Doc Rivers connections: Red Auerbach, Leo Papile, Patrick Ewing -- with each of those roads leading to the Thompson family. Celtic blood is thick and loyalty among the Green is strong (Auerbach - JT Sr.). Papile is not only a Celtic, but he's an old friend of Patrick Ewing from AAU days in New England, which also forged a relationship b/t Papile and JT Sr. Patrick Ewing and Doc Rivers are also very close friends. Given the younger Ewing's transfer to GU, I think that the PG stars were aligned with some relationships that helped seal the deal. www.ndnation.com/boards/showpost.cgi?thepit+115135-KHADDAFIand then: The kid's ultimate decision was likely baked over the past 12 months or so, correct? Now, I don't mean to suggest that the Celtics/GU links were dispositive - just a factor, and a well-timed factor at that. I just think that relationships matter. Kids, of course, are very likely to be influenced by the here and now. One year ago, GU was dying a rapid death. Today, it shows signs of a return to good health. In a all likelihood, much has happened in the past year to alter the relationships and the perceptions about the program. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. www.ndnation.com/boards/showpost.cgi?thepit+115156-KHADDAFI
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Post by Hoya50 on May 10, 2005 10:55:53 GMT -5
awesome news! wow, this really made my day. you have to figure that doc was heavily involved in helping his son choose the best school and that's a nice affirmation of this program's direction.
not to bring up a sore subject, but wasn't brunner a top-10 recruit?
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GUHoya07
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Post by GUHoya07 on May 10, 2005 10:59:24 GMT -5
That was a while ago though, '97 recruiting class according to hoyabasketball.com. Not to bring up another sore topic but wasn't Harvey Thomas in the '01 class like top 15? That would be our last recruit rated this highly, and then Sweetney the year before that. hoyabasketball.com/rosters/bb-recruits.htm
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Post by prhoya on May 10, 2005 10:59:52 GMT -5
Great news and congratulations to the staff!!!
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Cambridge
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Post by Cambridge on May 10, 2005 11:04:14 GMT -5
Rivers...the strange Celtic connections continue...
JTII former Celtic, O'Brien & Pitino's kids are alumni (or are they still students?) Now Rivers...
Can we hope for a little Walker, Twoine, Davis or Jefferson in the future?
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GUHoya07
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Post by GUHoya07 on May 10, 2005 11:04:55 GMT -5
Front page of Rivalshoops.com: "Rivers right with Hoyas" rivalshoops.rivals.com/"I did make a commitment to Georgetown," said Rivers. "Ever since I was a child and was around Patrick Ewing and my father and around the NBA and all the players from Georgetown in the league, Georgetown has always been a school I've wanted to go to."
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Post by SFHoya99 on May 10, 2005 11:06:52 GMT -5
Harvey was Top 15 by some folk his junior year. Not playing his senior year really hurt him in the rankings. By his senior year, he was RSCI #63. I think we should use those rankings. Heck, Roy was Top 10 when he committed!
Sweetney was #34 RSCI. Barely ahead of Herve Lamizana.
His rankings:
HS #40 PS #46 AS #51 DT #43
With Rivers rankings, I expect him to actually have a higher consensus score IF his rankings were final. Of course, I expect him to drop a bit, for various reasons.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on May 10, 2005 11:11:59 GMT -5
These rankings seem to be a bit outrageous. I just trust JTIII as he knows what he wants & needs to make his system work. Mentioning Thomas, Perry, and a number of other "can't miss" guys just goes to show that you never know what they can develop into and with JTIII at the helm, I am confident everyone of these guys will be significantly better by the time they leave.
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Post by hoyarooter on May 10, 2005 12:24:46 GMT -5
EXCELLENT NEWS! It also says a lot for JT3. Doc Rivers is a very knowledgable "Insider". He is essentially endorsing JT3's coaching ability. This has to have a significant impact beyond this particular recruit, in terms of the reputations of JT3 and the program. It also brings an additional BUZZ around GU. This is really great news. GOOD WORK JT3 and staff! Yes! This is outstanding news.
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Post by lichoya68 on May 10, 2005 12:28:08 GMT -5
great news.. only problem is i hope docs son does not leave early.....for med school... go hoyas go docs son.. go patricks son ...go hoyas.. IS IT NOVEMBER YET.. quess not so we gotta watch the men and womens lax win their respective national championships !!!! go hoyas all
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Post by SoCalHoya on May 10, 2005 13:23:02 GMT -5
Stupid question: does Rivers have to take a scholarship? Or can a player like him pay his own way (Doc can't be making too bad a salary, can he?)? We all know he is a scholarship-caliber player, but just wanted to see how the logistics could be worked out. I think there was something on this board about the recruiting process saying that once you are recruited, you automatically take a scholarship spot but I cannot remember. Great to see Rivers will be a Hoya!
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Post by alleninxis on May 10, 2005 13:25:33 GMT -5
^ no being recruited does not automatically mean a scolarship (just look at Wallace)
I guess Doc could pay, as could Pat, but its doubtful they would
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Post by SFHoya99 on May 10, 2005 13:50:36 GMT -5
^ no being recruited does not automatically mean a scolarship (just look at Wallace) I guess Doc could pay, as could Pat, but its doubtful they would Actually, it does. It does not matter if a player receives financial aid -- if a player is recruited by a member of the University (and I do not know the technical definition) he is a counter. Wallace was not technically recruited. Rivers most likely was. He deserves, and is getting, a scholarship.
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alleninxis
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Post by alleninxis on May 10, 2005 13:55:34 GMT -5
so technical means "official visits" and all that stuff? thanks didnt know that
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