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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 13, 2016 17:59:42 GMT -5
Board. The team is loosing based on a attitude, based and basketball IQ. Mourning not Guarding Bentil at the end, or JTIII not taking a technical, or any of the other stupid things is ridiculous. Each player has not come to the understanding that they playing in the BE. It requires 40 mins of EXTENDED effort. Being a champion requires even more than that. This team has under achieved due to effort not talent. So the way to win close games (especially considering we almost always give them more free throws than we take) is to give them another 2 and possession via a technical. Good plan.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Feb 13, 2016 18:00:43 GMT -5
I didn't watch the game. I DVRed it and accidentally heard the score and mention of our "comeback" on the radio. I didn't bother to waste my time watching it knowing the outcome. Looking at the box score, it appears not much has changed. Idk how we can honestly expect this team to beat anyone when the other team is shooting 36 FTs and making 27 of them. That is just a monumental hill to climb. Until this program learns how to play defense without fouling at a prodigious rate, I have a lot of trouble seeing much improvement in overall performance in coming years.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 13, 2016 18:12:18 GMT -5
I didn't watch the game. I DVRed it and accidentally heard the score and mention of our "comeback" on the radio. I didn't bother to waste my time watching it knowing the outcome. Looking at the box score, it appears not much has changed. Idk how we can honestly expect this team to beat anyone when the other team is shooting 36 FTs and making 27 of them. That is just a monumental hill to climb. Until this program learns how to play defense without fouling at a prodigious rate, I have a lot of trouble seeing much improvement in overall performance in coming years. I agree. Not only that, but the fact that we haven't been drawing as many fouls the last few games has resulted in getting virtually no free throws at the end of games ourselves. The free throw disparity in most of these games essentially means we are outplaying our opponents nearly every game, except we give them so many free throws through fouls that we lose anyway. That's why when people talk about our "talent" and how we "should" be playing better, it doesn't really have much meaning to me. If not for fouling, we'd easily be an NCAA team and probably a decent seed at that. No doubt.
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Post by smokeyjack on Feb 13, 2016 18:13:57 GMT -5
Board. The team is loosing based on a attitude, based and basketball IQ... Each player has not come to the understanding that they playing in the BE. It requires 40 mins of EXTENDED effort. Being a champion requires even more than that. This team has under achieved due to effort not talent. Right. This team should go "to eleven"! Could not agree more that this is an intensity issue as much as anything. But this team mirrors the demeanor of its coach, and that means 3 needs to start recruiting gritty terrors, because they are only going to mellow when they get to the Hilltop. One of my two fundamental criticisms of JT3 (his demeanor) along with the fact that we never recruit nor stress drive-and-kick bball in a foul-sensitive college game that absolutely demands getting to the line. Our formula doesn't work anymore. But, yeah, this team doesn't grind on top of playing a flawed style of ball best described as kick it around the arc and jack.
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Post by DallasHoya on Feb 13, 2016 18:18:27 GMT -5
Today's game is why this Coach drives me crazy this season.
The team was absolutely and totally unprepared to start the game, and he did absolutely nothing in the first half to change that or fire them up.
Whatever his did or said at half time worked 1000%. After the first minute in which DSR missed a wide open three, Govan committed a stupid third foul and DSR committed a foul with one second left on the shot clock, the team played with intensity and intelligence.
And then in the last 30 seconds:
- we looked completely lost out of a timeout, which caused us to call our last timeout in the same possession. - we looked lost after the second timeout, Copeland fired up a bad three but was bailed out by a foul.
- we didn't even cover Bentil, their best FT shooter, on the throw-in.
- we had DSR lackadaisically dribble the ball to go one-on-one without any play, pass or chance for a rebound
I put the first half and the end on the coach, at least in large part.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Feb 13, 2016 18:51:59 GMT -5
Today's game is why this Coach drives me crazy this season. The team was absolutely and totally unprepared to start the game, and he did absolutely nothing in the first half to change that or fire them up. Whatever his did or said at half time worked 1000%. After the first minute in which DSR missed a wide open three, Govan committed a stupid third foul and DSR committed a foul with one second left on the shot clock, the team played with intensity and intelligence. And then in the last 30 seconds: - we looked completely lost out of a timeout, which caused us to call our last timeout in the same possession. - we looked lost after the second timeout, Copeland fired up a bad three but was bailed out by a foul. - we didn't even cover Bentil, their best FT shooter, on the throw-in. - we had DSR lackadaisically dribble the ball to go one-on-one without any play, pass or chance for a rebound I put the first half and the end on the coach, at least in large part. We were awful in the first half. Just awful. No argument from me. But the other stuff just isn't true. They trapped everything on the first part of the possession, which could not have been expected and then came out in zone in the second (with limited time left). Criticize not going over three scenarios i guess but when you see the zone you just run the zone offense. After Ike shot, one guy forgot to guard his man. How is that the coach's fault? And on the last play, it worked! We got the pop for a good three point shooter (Marcus).
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Post by DallasHoya on Feb 13, 2016 19:10:49 GMT -5
But the other stuff just isn't true. They trapped everything on the first part of the possession, which could not have been expected and then came out in zone in the second (with limited time left). Criticize not going over three scenarios i guess but when you see the zone you just run the zone offense. What you're basically saying here is that Cooley out-coached JTIII through both time-outs.
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Post by drquigley on Feb 13, 2016 19:22:36 GMT -5
What more can anyone say about this team? How do you outscore your opponent 43-26 in the second half and still lose (being outscored 49-29 in the first half doesn't help)? Or get 20 fewer FT's and only lose by 3? Besides a point guard and floor leader this team needs a psychoanalyst. Definitely by the end of this season I will.
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Post by joey0403p on Feb 13, 2016 19:28:30 GMT -5
JT III is not a good in game coach. this is known.
he is a good recruiter (not the best, but pretty good). and a decent tactician however I think he is too analytical...which is why all he says is "what are you seeing out there..." JT - just tell them to play without looking like they are hungover.
our problems are pretty simple and this game was no different 1 we foul too much (some of this is now reputation and some is bs - but we do foul a lot) 2 we NEVER get fouled - 100% driven by the offense and the lack of intensity / drives of our players - I absolutely blame the coach for this - it has been an issue for several years 3 we rarely play with intensity for 40 mins - this too has been a problem for several years
something is off when we constantly hear this "Jeff green sometimes disappears" "Greg Monroe seems disengaged" "Freeman sometimes disappears" "DSR ...."
is it recruiting, or the systems...either way - the coach has to change
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Feb 13, 2016 19:31:55 GMT -5
What was most frustrating about the game today was not only that we lost, but to be in a 26 point hole and then come back to one behind in the last minute and THEN to eventually lose. To use a physical chemistry analogy: we were deep in the well of the potential energy curve and we were getting out of it only to be foiled by the activation energy bump. Woe are we!
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Post by Problem of Dog on Feb 13, 2016 19:36:50 GMT -5
Today's game is why this Coach drives me crazy this season. The team was absolutely and totally unprepared to start the game, and he did absolutely nothing in the first half to change that or fire them up. The second half goes completely against this point, but my biggest gripe with JTIII over the years is his complete inability to make in game adjustments, which gets us into holes we can't dig out of.
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Post by drquigley on Feb 13, 2016 19:49:42 GMT -5
So what did we (and JT3) get out of this game? Go smaller with Mourning? Pair him with Derrickson to add some muscle and Ike to add height . Start Campbell and LJ and bring DSR in off the bench? We held Providence to 26 points in the second half. What were we doing differently? Whatever it was, DO IT EVERY GAME! Finally, back to DSR. Does anyone remember how good he was when he was our shooting guard? I really feel sorry for him. He is busting his butt trying to do something he really isn't good at or was prepared for when he came to GU. I've said it before, this is my major criticism of JT3. He knew 2 years ago he would need a true point guard this year and the best he could come up with was Tre Campbell. Give this team the starting point guard of almost any of our BE opponents not named St John's and we would not have lost more than 5-6 games.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 13, 2016 20:24:56 GMT -5
Finally, back to DSR. Does anyone remember how good he was when he was our shooting guard? I really feel sorry for him. He is busting his butt trying to do something he really isn't good at or was prepared for when he came to GU. I've said it before, this is my major criticism of JT3. He knew 2 years ago he would need a true point guard this year and the best he could come up with was Tre Campbell. Give this team the starting point guard of almost any of our BE opponents not named St John's and we would not have lost more than 5-6 games. The chief recruiters (Broadus, Hardy) focused on the lure of big men rather than the guards who are the core of successful Top 25 programs. Where there were solid guards out there over the last four years, GU instead took on Brandon Bolden, Stephen Domingo, Bradley Hayes, the failed Josh Smith experiment, and a reach with Akoy Agau and his three game, 0.0 point average at Louisville. Maybe Jagan Mosely is that next great guard from St. Anthony's, or he could be this generation's Anthony Perry, we don't know. Either way this team will be guard-thin again in 2016-17, and can expect similar trouble in games where ball handling is essential.
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Post by NCHoya on Feb 13, 2016 20:26:21 GMT -5
Well, I have given up on worrying about how this team's season will ultimately play out. So when I watch the Hoyas trail by 26 and end up a missed FT away from tying the game, I actually got pretty damn excited. The second half was some of the best basketball they have played this season and the smaller line-up seemed to work well.
Derrickson being used down low was key. He has great size, hands and coordination. As much as he loves to shoot the 3, man, he is an effective player in the post. I really want to see him become a consistent scorer down the stretch for us without Hayes. I guess we will also see what Mourning really has to offer as well.
I feel for DSR. Dunn was hounding him all game and he was not a good option on offense in that match-up. I think DSR is breaking down from all the heavy minutes he has played this season. I expect more ups and downs from him this season. SHU will not be an easy match-up either.
I was disappointed in Govan in the first half and with his inability to keep PC off the boards. For a kid that is so highly thought of by the staff and fandom, Govan needs to improve his defense and his strength this offseason. He is just a freshman so there is plenty of time to improve, but his lack of rebounding ability has surprised me most. He was 5-6, he brings the offense, but he needs to bring it to both ends.
As stated by several on the board, this team simply lacks a natural facilitator. As always, there were several missed passes from nearly every position on the court. The low passing IQ remains a huge issue, second only to the fouling. Hoping we improve that next season.
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Post by NCHoya on Feb 13, 2016 20:38:17 GMT -5
Today's game is why this Coach drives me crazy this season. The team was absolutely and totally unprepared to start the game, and he did absolutely nothing in the first half to change that or fire them up. Whatever his did or said at half time worked 1000%. After the first minute in which DSR missed a wide open three, Govan committed a stupid third foul and DSR committed a foul with one second left on the shot clock, the team played with intensity and intelligence. And then in the last 30 seconds: - we looked completely lost out of a timeout, which caused us to call our last timeout in the same possession. - we looked lost after the second timeout, Copeland fired up a bad three but was bailed out by a foul. - we didn't even cover Bentil, their best FT shooter, on the throw-in. - we had DSR lackadaisically dribble the ball to go one-on-one without any play, pass or chance for a rebound I put the first half and the end on the coach, at least in large part. We were awful in the first half. Just awful. No argument from me. But the other stuff just isn't true. They trapped everything on the first part of the possession, which could not have been expected and then came out in zone in the second (with limited time left). Criticize not going over three scenarios i guess but when you see the zone you just run the zone offense. After Ike shot, one guy forgot to guard his man. How is that the coach's fault? And on the last play, it worked! We got the pop for a good three point shooter (Marcus). I really think it is hard to see how well some of our sets work because we simply do not make the pass. DSR's last shot is an easy example, but all season Hayes has held the ball on decent back-cuts and there has been repeated times when the play is there to be made, but the guys either do not see it or are so scared to commit a turnover that they pass up the opportunity. It is so easy to fault the coach, but this season, I really see the execution breaking down a lot more than in the past. Plays are there and they are not being made.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Feb 13, 2016 21:07:04 GMT -5
But the other stuff just isn't true. They trapped everything on the first part of the possession, which could not have been expected and then came out in zone in the second (with limited time left). Criticize not going over three scenarios i guess but when you see the zone you just run the zone offense. What you're basically saying here is that Cooley out-coached JTIII through both time-outs. Well, you completely ignore the other two points (the last shot and the foul of Bentil). As for the two timeouts, the defense always has an advantage there. They can change up if they want and the O has to react. I give credit to Provy for making the changes. There is no realistic way we could have been drawing up a play against a man-based trap. It would be like blaming III for not having them prepared to see a box-and-one. On the last timeout, if we weren't prepared for the possibility of a zone, I'd blame III. It's hard to know if we weren't since there's not a lot of different things you'd look to do there.
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Post by MCIGuy on Feb 13, 2016 21:10:58 GMT -5
I didn't watch the game. I DVRed it and accidentally heard the score and mention of our "comeback" on the radio. I didn't bother to waste my time watching it knowing the outcome. Looking at the box score, it appears not much has changed. Idk how we can honestly expect this team to beat anyone when the other team is shooting 36 FTs and making 27 of them. That is just a monumental hill to climb. Until this program learns how to play defense without fouling at a prodigious rate, I have a lot of trouble seeing much improvement in overall performance in coming years. It just isn't about defense, though. It is the style of play on offense. Back during the Jeff-Roy "glory days" the Hoyas were, yes, sending teams to the line less (even with less athletic guards going up against the competition of a superior offense). So clearly that is a sign that the Hoyas under III are capable of keeping the FT disparity and the amount of times that the other teams go to the FT line low. What this teams has never proved under III however is its ability to use the FT line as a regular offensive weapon or opportunity. In other words even during the best years III's teams weren't the type to get to the FT line that much themselves. Which meant they also weren't fouling out the other teams best players or getting those players into foul trouble. The good news that came from that used to be the Gtown games ended pretty quickly, especially when it didn't allow the other team to take many FTs either. The bad news though came from even III's best teams being unable to pull away quickly enough from inferior teams because almost all of their points came from baskets made in the halfcourt (the fastbreak element was even more non-existent in the first half of III's tenure). Think about that. So many teams in college basketball, from the very best to the average, rely on getting to the line to help accumulate points. III's Hoyas have pretty much gone without that element for over a decade. I agree that the Hoyas need better defenders or better instruction/coaching to keep teams from living at the line. But it is even more important that the Hoyas start drastically increasing how often they themselves get to the line. They can't do that without driving more and posting up more. This is made even more clear based upon how the refs treat them in the more rare moments in which they do drive. It is as if the refs have been conditioned to not expect the Hoyas to do much driving at all and thus not take it seriously when our players are bumped when trying to get to the basket. Until this whole approach is changed it won't matter who is on the team, we will continue to fall short (either in the regular season or post season).
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Post by MCIGuy on Feb 13, 2016 21:13:03 GMT -5
The free throw disparity in most of these games essentially means we are outplaying our opponents nearly every game, except we give them so many free throws through fouls that we lose anyway. That's why when people talk about our "talent" and how we "should" be playing better, it doesn't really have much meaning to me. If not for fouling, we'd easily be an NCAA team and probably a decent seed at that. No doubt. Without the negative fouling disparity the Hoyas could probably make it to the second weekend of the NCAA tourney too.
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Post by MCIGuy on Feb 13, 2016 21:22:25 GMT -5
Today's game is why this Coach drives me crazy this season. The team was absolutely and totally unprepared to start the game, and he did absolutely nothing in the first half to change that or fire them up. Whatever his did or said at half time worked 1000%. After the first minute in which DSR missed a wide open three, Govan committed a stupid third foul and DSR committed a foul with one second left on the shot clock, the team played with intensity and intelligence. And then in the last 30 seconds: - we looked completely lost out of a timeout, which caused us to call our last timeout in the same possession. - we looked lost after the second timeout, Copeland fired up a bad three but was bailed out by a foul. - we didn't even cover Bentil, their best FT shooter, on the throw-in. - we had DSR lackadaisically dribble the ball to go one-on-one without any play, pass or chance for a rebound I put the first half and the end on the coach, at least in large part. Because the backdoor cuts can chew up teams playing man-to-man defense against the Hoyas and because Gtown has played in a conference that has always relied on zone defenses moreso than conferences like the ACC, Pac 10 and SEC (did I mention that the zone is the preferred choice of our arch rival?) III's Hoyas has arguably faced as many zone defenses as any other team during his Gtown tenure. And yet I swear in 90% of the times in which Georgetown does face such a defense, III's players seem unprepared for it, as if they are seeing it for the first time. I could be terribly wrong about this but this is how it seems. Too many games in which during offensive possessions three Hoyas beyond the three-point line just pass the ball around each other for 35 or more seconds with no real strategy to get a good/clean look. Eventually, often during a second half, the players seem to finally figure it out, often in time to get the win. Still you watch with frustration as they repeat the same stifling mistakes and display the same awful spacing and make the same slow, unsure passes as they have done before numerous times.
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Post by justsaying on Feb 13, 2016 21:31:14 GMT -5
and offensively many times we assume our guys can make the post or interior pass but as a group we struggle to make that pass or struggle to understand the importance or the pressure that can be placed on the other team by making the interior pass at the right moment. maybe additional instucting or understanding of what it actually means by positioning that a teammate is open or has an advantage. when have an advantage it must be taken at that time. continuing to lose such opportunities places more pressure on remaining game possessions.
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