richfame
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Post by richfame on Feb 14, 2016 16:02:11 GMT -5
I am trying to understand your statement. I guess if you think to yourself " wow I thought there was so much talent here at Kenner" then yeah I understand where your coming from. 1. Our leader is having an average year and clearly not the dynamic difference maker we need him to be. 2. Our most improved player is out. 3. Copeland, derrickson, Campbell are underperforming. 4. We have only put 2-3 consistent efforts together all year. Yes Xavier was amazing and Syracuse and Wisconsin were solid but those games are long gone. What makes u think from what your eyes see in the past 3 weeks that we can win 6-7 games and / or win the BET? How can we beat a Xavier, providence and nova back to back to back? Good lord it's time to be realistic. We may not make the NIT. It's optimistic, but a statement of fact. I choose not to wallow in negative misery like you, that's all. You're acting like I was making some kind of flat out lock prediction, which I was not. I'm not negative. I'm just wondering what evidence u have from watching this season how u think we can run the table at the BET. That's all. Just because I think that's not happening doesn't make be negative. Just realistic.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 14, 2016 16:20:09 GMT -5
richfame: there are scenarios that do not require running the table at the BET. Never said they were likely, only that they were possible. Clearly the team will have to prove it.
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AltoSaxa
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Post by AltoSaxa on Feb 14, 2016 16:43:40 GMT -5
richfame: there are scenarios that do not require running the table at the BET. Never said they were likely, only that they were possible. Clearly the team will have to prove it. Herein lies the difference between two groups of posters. Yes while it is a possibility there really is no probability. Why is it that those of use who believe the probability to be nil are wallowing in negativity? One can easily say your irrational exuberance is about he same at JTIII's comments that the BE is the best league and can get 8 teams in the tourney.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 14, 2016 16:50:32 GMT -5
richfame: there are scenarios that do not require running the table at the BET. Never said they were likely, only that they were possible. Clearly the team will have to prove it. Herein lies the difference between two groups of posters. Yes while it is a possibility there really is no probability. Why is it that those of use who believe the probability to be nil are wallowing in negativity? One can easily say your irrational exuberance is about he same at JTIII's comments that the BE is the best league and can get 8 teams in the tourney. Asked and answered, with hyperbolic characterizations by those with both viewpoints. I make no apologies for allowing for the possibility that 18-22 year old student athletes might actually learn from experience and improve along the way rather than completely writing them off. And yes, that allowance is influenced by having watched from the stands at the Dunk.
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AltoSaxa
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Post by AltoSaxa on Feb 14, 2016 17:06:14 GMT -5
Herein lies the difference between two groups of posters. Yes while it is a possibility there really is no probability. Why is it that those of use who believe the probability to be nil are wallowing in negativity? One can easily say your irrational exuberance is about he same at JTIII's comments that the BE is the best league and can get 8 teams in the tourney. Asked and answered, with hyperbolic characterizations by those with both viewpoints. I make no apologies for allowing for the possibility that 18-22 year old student athletes might actually learn from experience and improve along the way rather than completely writing them off. And yes, that allowance is influenced by having watched from the stands at the Dunk. This isn't a courtroom but interesting use of an objection. Being at the game has what to do with this? I will expect you not to offer opinions about games when you watch on TV. Feel free to be holier than though but no one is writing off anyone. They are an unsuccessful team and the trajectory of the team is down especially with Hayes' injury. I would rather see a team from a lesser conference make the tourney because frankly this team's performance is unworthy.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 14, 2016 17:19:25 GMT -5
Asked and answered, with hyperbolic characterizations by those with both viewpoints. I make no apologies for allowing for the possibility that 18-22 year old student athletes might actually learn from experience and improve along the way rather than completely writing them off. And yes, that allowance is influenced by having watched from the stands at the Dunk. This isn't a courtroom but interesting use of an objection. Being at the game has what to do with this? I will expect you not to offer opinions about games when you watch on TV. Feel free to be holier than though but no one is writing off anyone. They are an unsuccessful team and the trajectory of the team is down especially with Hayes' injury. I would rather see a team from a lesser conference make the tourney because frankly this team's performance is unworthy. Thankfully I am not a lawyer. 'Holier-than-thou' is an interesting characterization, yet totally off base. My point about being at a game is you can see what happens on the bench and that informs my view. Didn't mean it as a "nyah nyah nyah, you weren't there and I was" kind of way, which is apparently how you took it. I also do not agree the trajectory is necessarily down without Hayes - some things will change for the better, especially offensive flow. Again, I never stated I thought they would a) win all the rest of their games, b) run the table at the BET, or c) any other specific outcome, only that it was possible. My opinion differs from yours and I won't apologize for it but that's clearly not the end of the world. As for no one is writing off anyone, read multiple posts here that say pretty much exactly that.
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Post by bicentennial on Feb 14, 2016 17:49:02 GMT -5
I think anyone who has watched the team this year knows that we foul a lot but also knows there are times when we run off lots of points in a short time and get defensive stops and other times when we seem unable to stop the other team and can't get a basket of any sort! Those of us who remain optimistic hope for more of the good defense humming offense while those who seem to have given up believe we can't have the good play without the bad! If our team can have more of the good defense and offense without as much of the bad and without some of the very unfair officiating that seems to pervade our games, many of us believe this team still has a run left in them! Our remaining strength of schedule means such a run would have major implications for our standings in RPI, Pomeroy, Sagarin etc. A major climb in those statistics would potentially have a large effect on our opportunities to make a tournament! Is it likely that a 14/12 team will do that. No. Is it impossible for a team of freshmen and sophmores to improve dynamically even late in the season? I believe it is possible. We now only have 1 senior and 1 junior scholarship player all the rest are young with potential to improve even this week!
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richfame
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Post by richfame on Feb 14, 2016 20:03:21 GMT -5
richfame: there are scenarios that do not require running the table at the BET. Never said they were likely, only that they were possible. Clearly the team will have to prove it. Herein lies the difference between two groups of posters. Yes while it is a possibility there really is no probability. Why is it that those of use who believe the probability to be nil are wallowing in negativity? One can easily say your irrational exuberance is about he same at JTIII's comments that the BE is the best league and can get 8 teams in the tourney. Thank u. Well said. I feel like when I give my opinion some people think I do not want us to do well. I would love to us go on a monster run and get into the dance. And I would love posters to re post my opinions and give me a big I told u so!! Let's hope for the best as fans but we should all know it's unlikely and the reasons why must be addressed.
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richfame
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Post by richfame on Feb 14, 2016 20:16:10 GMT -5
Herein lies the difference between two groups of posters. Yes while it is a possibility there really is no probability. Why is it that those of use who believe the probability to be nil are wallowing in negativity? One can easily say your irrational exuberance is about he same at JTIII's comments that the BE is the best league and can get 8 teams in the tourney. Asked and answered, with hyperbolic characterizations by those with both viewpoints. I make no apologies for allowing for the possibility that 18-22 year old student athletes might actually learn from experience and improve along the way rather than completely writing them off. And yes, that allowance is influenced by having watched from the stands at the Dunk. I'm not saying to not hold belief till the last possible game. I just don't see how I'm " one of those negative posters". That's all. I think I'm pretty positive. I don't go to school at Georgetown, don't live on campus, I don't think I have rose colored glasses on. I call it how I see it. Some times I'm Wrong and sometimes I'm correct. We will see.
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Post by eagle54 on Feb 14, 2016 21:55:26 GMT -5
Asked and answered, with hyperbolic characterizations by those with both viewpoints. I make no apologies for allowing for the possibility that 18-22 year old student athletes might actually learn from experience and improve along the way rather than completely writing them off. And yes, that allowance is influenced by having watched from the stands at the Dunk. I'm not saying to not hold belief till the last possible game. I just don't see how I'm " one of those negative posters". That's all. I think I'm pretty positive. I don't go to school at Georgetown, don't live on campus, I don't think I have rose colored glasses on. I call it how I see it. Some times I'm Wrong and sometimes I'm correct. We will see. Once you take those rose colored glasses off you are negative on this board. Believe me. Reality is not something embraced by the mainstays here. If you want to join in, I think they have a charter to Guyana this summer to celebrate the success of the season.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 14, 2016 22:26:48 GMT -5
I'm not saying to not hold belief till the last possible game. I just don't see how I'm " one of those negative posters". That's all. I think I'm pretty positive. I don't go to school at Georgetown, don't live on campus, I don't think I have rose colored glasses on. I call it how I see it. Some times I'm Wrong and sometimes I'm correct. We will see. Once you take those rose colored glasses off you are negative on this board. Believe me. Reality is not something embraced by the mainstays here. If you want to join in, I think they have a charter to Guyana this summer to celebrate the success of the season. It is pretty interesting that you would be scheduling a charter to Guyana for me (and yes, you meant me) when I said nothing at all about "celebrat[ing] the success of the season."
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Post by eagle54 on Feb 14, 2016 22:34:16 GMT -5
Once you take those rose colored glasses off you are negative on this board. Believe me. Reality is not something embraced by the mainstays here. If you want to join in, I think they have a charter to Guyana this summer to celebrate the success of the season. It is pretty interesting that you would be scheduling a charter to Guyana for me (and yes, you meant me) when I said nothing at all about "celebrat[ing] the success of the season." I didn't say it was scheduled for anybody in particular. Just heard that it's being planned by the group and maybe that's not the case. They somehow left me off the invite list but that's ok.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 15, 2016 10:07:45 GMT -5
richfame: there are scenarios that do not require running the table at the BET. Never said they were likely, only that they were possible. Clearly the team will have to prove it. Herein lies the difference between two groups of posters. Yes while it is a possibility there really is no probability. Why is it that those of use who believe the probability to be nil are wallowing in negativity? One can easily say your irrational exuberance is about he same at JTIII's comments that the BE is the best league and can get 8 teams in the tourney. You are going to have to help me here - how does posting that there is still time to "make hay" this season - an observation, not a prediction - constitute "irrational exuberance"? I don't think there is a single poster who would give us more than a slim chance at making the tourney this year. But we are still allowed to have a little hope, and not have to universally agree with those who have insisted that the season is over and no chance exists. In their far too few good stretches, our team has shown the ability to compete with anyone, and even to play dominant basketball. Let us hold on to our hope that they will somehow be able to do it for 40 minutes.
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Feb 16, 2016 12:56:24 GMT -5
Now just win one by one by at least one and HAVE SOME FREAKING FUN go hoyas MUST beat Seton Hall now MUST its february now WE WILL SEE
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