Loyal Hoya
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Post by Loyal Hoya on Feb 13, 2016 15:29:21 GMT -5
I did not mean to paint him as selfish - he just made up his mind that he was going to take the shot whether or not he was open. Some players can still get good shots off when closely guarded. That has never been one of his strengths so I think it was a bad decision. Fair enough. Down three with a couple of seconds remaining, there was a low probability no matter what. I am not sure passing it to Derrickson would have appreciably improved our chances, but reasonable people can disagree. Also, I apologize that I apparently read too much into your original post.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Feb 13, 2016 15:29:15 GMT -5
Board. The team is loosing based on a attitude, based and basketball IQ... Each player has not come to the understanding that they playing in the BE. It requires 40 mins of EXTENDED effort. Being a champion requires even more than that. This team has under achieved due to effort not talent. Right. This team should go "to eleven"!
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 13, 2016 15:31:22 GMT -5
I still wouldn't be surprised by a strong finish to this season. I think we will win 4 more games but just eventually run out of gas. We still haven't lost games in this stretch we really should have won. Yes, we needed them and could have had them, but it doesn't mean we couldn't beat the other teams left to play. Do you mean in the Big East or the entire season. I hope you were not expecting to lose to Radford, Monmouth and UNC something or other. Yeah, I really meant the last several games.
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MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Feb 13, 2016 15:31:37 GMT -5
Board. The team is loosing based on a attitude, based and basketball IQ. Mourning not Guarding Bentil at the end, or JTIII not taking a technical, or any of the other stupid things is ridiculous. Each player has not come to the understanding that they playing in the BE. It requires 40 mins of EXTENDED effort. Being a champion requires even more than that. This team has under achieved due to effort not talent. Preach.
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Post by michaeldm9 on Feb 13, 2016 15:36:55 GMT -5
Board. The team is loosing based on a attitude, based and basketball IQ. Mourning not Guarding Bentil at the end, or JTIII not taking a technical, or any of the other stupid things is ridiculous. Each player has not come to the understanding that they playing in the BE. It requires 40 mins of EXTENDED effort. Being a champion requires even more than that. This team has under achieved due to effort not talent. Preach. I think this a Tax. That team that was Co-Big East Regular Season Champion was smoke and Mirrors. Played above there talent. Si I guess this is the universe evening out.
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hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Feb 13, 2016 15:40:28 GMT -5
Since everyone on PC knew DSR would take that last shot..why not have him penetrate a little bit and hit someone unexpected..like Marcus or Mourning? Rather they shoot a somewhat open 3 then DSR, with three men on him. With 10 seconds, we had time to do more than just give it to DSR and let him take a shot with guys all over him. Great showing by Marcus, Mourning and GOvan. I get that DSR wants to take the shot but Marcus set the screen and Dunn left him wide open when he popped out.. Probably would have been better if he passed as you said above... DSR had Marcus for the pop or Ike for the kick in the corner. I would much rather Ike shoot a contested 3 Lomamba than DSR shooting a contested 3 over Bullock. Ike seemed disappointed in the decision as well. Our alpha has the lowest bball IQ on the team. He is a great scorer but he doesn't make winning plays for his teammates.........
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hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Feb 13, 2016 15:42:28 GMT -5
The Hoyas lost this game because they didn't look prepared to play when the game begun. That first half was horrible. Kicking the ball around the same three points on the perimeter without a clue how to get the ball inside, not to mention the passes were weak and slow allowing Friars the time to recover on defense. Once again the Hoyas lost because they got punched in the mouth a few times before waking up and showing some pride. Rarely do the Hoyas deliver such blows. The Hoyas lost because like clockwork they went through the expected scoring droughts that don't seem to plague other college teams pretty much every game as it does for Gtown. The hoyas also missed out on an opportunity because DSR would rather play within the system rather than force shots to get himself going (he forces it a bit towards the latter parts of second halves when it is too late on most occasions. And what would a Gtown game be without the opposing team getting bailed out at the free throw line by refs with III accepting it. I want III to lose his composure just for one game and make sure the refs know that his guys are getting hosed at times. I wouldn't mind if he gets thrown out of a game one time with technicals, just get in the refs' ears. Look I don't discount the lost of Hayes and I'll give credit for the Hoyas for fighting back. But if they had played with that purpose AND confidence the ENTIRE game they would have gotten a W today. But too many of III's teams are guilty of not playing strong for an entire 40 minutes. I did see JTIII lose his temper 1 time this season and that was against Creighton. III had to be restrained by Bradley Hayes to avoid a technical during the later minutes of that game. Coincidentally that is the game the Hoyas came back from a big deficit and won due to the Blue Jays melting under pressure. Do you think a BE run to the Semi-Finals will put the Hoyas into the NCAA's at this point in time? We would have to win out plus a run to the BE finals to get in the NCAAs at this point I think. Crazy me, I still think its possible that we win the BE tourney but we won't win at Nova...........
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Feb 13, 2016 15:42:58 GMT -5
Comparison of Top 3 players*:
(1st game + 2nd game = Total)
Providence Dunn: 26 + 20 = 46 Bentil: 26 + 16 = 42 Bullock: 10 + 23 = 33
Georgetown DSR: 18 + 3 = 21 Ike: 2 + 12 = 14 LJ: 19 + 13 = 32
(*according to pre-season expectations)
We cannot win consistently with our "stars" all over the place. "Jekyll and Hyde Hoyas".
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MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Feb 13, 2016 15:51:29 GMT -5
Dunn went to the FT line 16 times. DSR, Ike and freakin' Peak went to the line a total of five. All By Ike. We can't win with those types of stats.
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hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Feb 13, 2016 15:57:19 GMT -5
Man I just looked at our schedule and it is imperative that we win the next 4. They are all winnable games and 3 are in DC. I know X is tough and Quette is improved but we should win those games if we play D...........These games are must wins if we want any chance of the tourney.........
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Post by beenaround on Feb 13, 2016 16:01:45 GMT -5
Man I just looked at our schedule and it is imperative that we win the next 4. They are all winnable games and 3 are in DC. I know X is tough and Quette is improved but we should win those games if we play D...........These games are must wins if we want any chance of the tourney......... Love your optimism. I am watching because I am a Hoya, with ZERO expectation of making the Dance. Honestly not do even think there is a 1 pct chance. Also hoping to see good things, as I did today from Marcus, LittleZo and Govan.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 13, 2016 16:11:38 GMT -5
Fair enough. Down three with a couple of seconds remaining, there was a low probability no matter what. I am not sure passing it to Derrickson would have appreciably improved our chances, but reasonable people can disagree. Also, I apologize that I apparently read too much into your original post. No apology needed, I was not clear. I blame my disheartened frustration.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Feb 13, 2016 16:17:50 GMT -5
Man, the team really missed Hayes. Not having that "release" pass and big option down low killed the offense in the first half. Get well soon Big Fella!!!
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 13, 2016 16:21:50 GMT -5
Man I just looked at our schedule and it is imperative that we win the next 4. They are all winnable games and 3 are in DC. I know X is tough and Quette is improved but we should win those games if we play D...........These games are must wins if we want any chance of the tourney......... Love your optimism. I am watching because I am a Hoya, with ZERO expectation of making the Dance. Honestly not do even think there is a 1 pct chance. Also hoping to see good things, as I did today from Marcus, LittleZo and Govan. Always a chance. Until there isn't.
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MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Feb 13, 2016 16:29:09 GMT -5
Man, the team really missed Hayes. Not having that "release" pass and big option down low killed the offense in the first half. Get well soon Big Fella!!! All season long the Hoyas had that advantage with Hayes against virtually every team. And they still racked up the losses.
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95hoya
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Post by 95hoya on Feb 13, 2016 16:31:56 GMT -5
Providence isn't some elite team. They are a good top 40ish team that we had a great chance of beating. It was a missed opportunity.
Providence is ranked 53 on kenpom.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Feb 13, 2016 16:45:24 GMT -5
Just too big a hole to climb. No moral victories. Had to have it. Didn't get it.
I thought the changing defenses from Provy on the last possession (from straight man, to a run and jump, to a zone) obviously affected us.
Well, our backs are now completely against the wall. We seem to play better within games when that's the case......
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njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 13, 2016 17:08:16 GMT -5
We have had plenty of "missed opportunities" this season. After a while, you have to wonder whether they were really missed opportunities, or rather a demonstration that this team just has too many flaws to close the deal on a consistent basis.
And I don't like using injuries as an excuse. Yes, we've missed White, and what Agau might have brought, and we now will have life without Hayes going forward. I don't think that the forwards have been the problem on a game-by-game basis. In my opinion, the Hoya backcourt just hasn't played well enough, let alone up to expectation. The injuries haven't affected the backcourt.
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Post by richfame on Feb 13, 2016 17:17:03 GMT -5
I did see JTIII lose his temper 1 time this season and that was against Creighton. III had to be restrained by Bradley Hayes to avoid a technical during the later minutes of that game. Coincidentally that is the game the Hoyas came back from a big deficit and won due to the Blue Jays melting under pressure. Do you think a BE run to the Semi-Finals will put the Hoyas into the NCAA's at this point in time? We would have to win out plus a run to the BE finals to get in the NCAAs at this point I think. Crazy me, I still think its possible that we win the BE tourney but we won't win at Nova........... Are u serious. This team is dead. We came out of the gate today with no fire or urgency. Our so called best player had what 3 points 4 fouls? Did you know our best and most improved player is out for a month with a broken bone? What has shown you we are capable of making a Herculean run which is exactly what we would need. Done.
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Post by michaeldm9 on Feb 13, 2016 17:31:47 GMT -5
Why does this board focus only on points. Peak comes out and score 16 or something points and he's the MAN. First of all DSR is the point and his job is get everyone involved in the game. Play under control and not shoot the team out of the game based on his own personal agenda. The team is loosing because they are stupid. Commits to many stupid fouls. Period. No if, and or but. If you fix that issue this team is probably a 20-5 team. To many reach ins. Lot of playing defense with Hands instead of feet.
This DSR didn't score. He cant score when the whole team is focus on stopping you.
The Hoyas gave up 20 more FT points. 20!, 20!, Understand that number. 20 You loose by 3 and give up 20 FREE POINTS MORE. That's the issue with this team
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