TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 27, 2016 10:38:11 GMT -5
-LJ’s box out of Cole “contort your body like you’ve been shot” Huff. Thanks for the breakdown. To be fair to Huff (I re-watched this play like 6 times last night), I don't think he was trying to draw a foul. That's how bad a call it was. Huff jumped for the rebound, contorted a bit to try and get around the box out, couldn't get at the ball b/c of Peak's box out and everyone was ready to play on. Just a ridiculous call.
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rambis
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Post by rambis on Jan 27, 2016 10:44:35 GMT -5
I'm in an uber on the way home. I left before the last TV timeout. I've had season tickets for twenty years and I've never left a game before the end. Today, I just couldn't take it any longer. If I decide not to renew my season tickets next year, it's not because I stopped loving my alma mater or my team. It will be because I can no longer stomach the garbage that is officiating in a Big East Georgetown game. It is no longer a sport when there isn't fair competition. I don't know what I watched tonight, but it wasn't basketball. Good thing you left n Seriously! I probably would have been "asked" to leave otherwise.
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Post by NCHoya on Jan 27, 2016 11:27:24 GMT -5
I hope III takes this up with the conference and sends specific instances of flops and non-moving screens.
Offensive fouls should be an exception in basketball, however, in college ball it continues to be called way too often. Watch an NBA game and try to find a screen that is not moving. DSR's push-off was insane, even Watson smiled at the ref thinking he got the foul. The pushes in the back are a joke too. If a guy throws himself in the air after having terrible position under the basket, chances are no one pushed him and he is looking to be bailed out.
Why are we sourcing refs from the MVC anyway? If we need new refs, why not look at some of the numerous smaller leagues in the northeast or even a league like the MAC with no prior ties to league teams.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 27, 2016 11:37:52 GMT -5
IMO, the scoring FG stat also speaks to how easy teams get baskets. That's why broadcasts use it, too. That is a real concern for us and has been for a while. We simply just don't get lay ups. It's unfortunate and I fear it will ultimately be the thing that hurts us the most. That's why, like everyone else, I'm still firmly in the Peak camp. He needs to keep driving to the basket. Keep working, LJ. It will come.I will also say that DSR has learned smartly that at the end of the game, guards with the ball get respect from officials. Hell, kemba walker won a championship based solely on this approach. Even if he doesn't finish, the benefits of either getting to the foul line, getting us in the bonus faster and getting them into foul trouble (such as getting Grosselle into foul trouble and fouling out Watson which was crucial IMO) are worth it. Especially since he is really the only one with the speed and quickness who can effectively dribble penetrate and finish. (Tre Campbell for some reason isn't very good at it even though he is ultra fast. Maybe cause he has such a high dribble).
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jan 27, 2016 11:42:32 GMT -5
OK. Full disclosure. I sneaked a peak at work at espn.com to find out the score. The Hoyas were five points down, but in the couple of minutes I monitored, the Hoyas went 11 points down with 4:17 to go. As I went out to dinner last night (with a NCAA champ at 880 yards ), I did not see the final score until this morning. I was going to post this morning that there are no more excuses for the team, even if they were tired from their travels in the snow and that was the reason for their poor second half. So imagine my surprise and delight, when I saw in the papers that the Hoyas won by one point. I am sure that I am like most Hoya fans, when I say that the victory made my day today. Now I will read some of this thread to see how this came about.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 27, 2016 11:51:26 GMT -5
IMO, the scoring FG stat also speaks to how easy teams get baskets. That's why broadcasts use it, too. That is a real concern for us and has been for a while. We simply just don't get lay ups. It's unfortunate and I fear it will ultimately be the thing that hurts us the most. That's why, like everyone else, I'm still firmly in the Peak camp. He needs to keep driving to the basket. Keep working, LJ. It will come.I will also say that DSR has learned smartly that at the end of the game, guards with the ball get respect from officials. Hell, kemba walker won a championship based solely on this approach. Even if he doesn't finish, the benefits of either getting to the foul line, getting us in the bonus faster and getting them into foul trouble (such as getting Grosselle into foul trouble and fouling out Watson which was crucial IMO) are worth it. Especially since he is really the only one with the speed and quickness who can effectively dribble penetrate and finish. (Tre Campbell for some reason isn't very good at it even though he is ultra fast. Maybe cause he has such a high dribble). I certainly agree that LJ needs to keep going aggressively to the rim. He does still need to refine his judgment a little; when there are multiple defenders and too much congestion, he has to learn to kick it out to the wing instead of contorting his body for off-balance flings at the basket. It is obvious how hard he has worked on his jumper and his free throws. I have full confidence he will breakout into a star next season.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 27, 2016 11:55:24 GMT -5
I can’t remember when I have ever seen a team so happy – and so happy with each other – after a mid-season win. I'm sure during the last 10 minutes "They" were ready to celebrate and proclaim with glee our meltdown loss to Creighton.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jan 27, 2016 11:59:55 GMT -5
When was the last time we had a comeback like THAT? That was ridiculous!! Once in awhile you see another team do it and you say, "Wow", but tonight it was US! We had one in 1965-66, when we were down by 9 at MSG with one minute to go, and we won. I think it might have been against NYU, which was a power in those days.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 27, 2016 12:35:36 GMT -5
I can’t remember when I have ever seen a team so happy – and so happy with each other – after a mid-season win. This would appear not to fit the "dissension in the locker room" meme propagated here periodically. I hope III takes this up with the conference and sends specific instances of flops and non-moving screens. I suspect his father's comments last night (which had the bonus of getting the message out without risking a conference reprimand or suspension for criticizing the refs) were heard loud and clear in the conference office.
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Post by kchoya on Jan 27, 2016 12:35:49 GMT -5
Still surprised we pulled that off. Refs have screwed us a ton this year. I'm beyond frustrated. Honestly think jt iii needs a little more jt Jr. What more do you want JT3 to do? Specifics please.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2016 12:37:48 GMT -5
I took the opportunity to rewatch the game and took copious notes. My conclusions: If anything, the refereeing was worse than I thought. Upon careful review, Georgetown had at least 19 calls (fouls called/not called and other violations called/not called) go against it, while, generously, Creighton had room for maybe four complaints. Moreover, two of Creighton’s potential complaints – both taking place in the final two minutes – have mitigating circumstances. Interestingly, 10 of the questionable calls from a Hoya standpoint took place in the first half, but none of those calls was ridiculous. While watching in real time, I had the sense in the first half that we weren’t getting a lot of calls but that the calls or non-calls were not egregious. The second half was a different story. There were very clearly 7 ridiculous calls that went against the Hoyas. In order: -Zierden, caught well under the basket while a Xavier shot is in the air, launches himself out of bounds and is rewarded with a foul on a Hoya. -DSR is called for an offensive foul with his arm maybe 3 inches from his body. Against this standard, Grayson Allen would have fouled out in the first five minutes of our game against Duke. -Groselle clears out the Hoya defender under the basket with 6 feet of moving screen, allowing an amazingly open layup – no call. -Jesse is called for a moving pick because, apparently, Watson is small. -Jesse’s fifth foul, about which nothing more needs to be said. -LJ’s box out of Cole “contort your body like you’ve been shot” Huff. -Trey Mourning is called for a moving screen – minus the movement – complete with another Zierden flop. One can only imagine how frustrated Jessie must have felt. He fouled out in 10 minutes of playing time and should have reasonably expected to have had only one or two fouls based on his play. In watching the game in real time, I thought that the refs had maybe put away their whistles during the comeback. After further review I don’t think that I was initially correct. First, both LJ’s and Kaleb’s steals were clean. And Marcus’s block of the last shot was clearly not a foul. That leaves two calls with which Creighton might take issue. -The out of bounds call on DSR’s free throw miss. Initially I thought that it went out on us and that we had caught a break. In rewatching it 5 or 6 times it would appear to have been a true 50/50 ball. -The final foul call on Watson. There was very clearly a foul on the play, but that foul was committed before Watson touched DSR. Obviously it helped us that Watson was not on the floor for the final 6 seconds. Other observations. Xavier went 4 for 21 for three. Of their 17 misses, I only count 7as being open 3s. We went 6 for 21 with 10 open misses. I can’t remember when I have ever seen a team so happy – and so happy with each other – after a mid-season win. Our second half team defense on Watson was quite good. Yes he got to the rim a few times but we turned him over a bunch. Yes all of those happened and there was also a play were Groselle grabbed LJ tossed him to the side while he was boxing him out and Lj got the call.. Some of the calls were just complete utter (insert better word here)
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Post by sleepy on Jan 27, 2016 12:41:47 GMT -5
When was the last time we had a comeback like THAT? That was ridiculous!! Once in awhile you see another team do it and you say, "Wow", but tonight it was US! We had one in 1965-66, when we were down by 9 at MSG with one minute to go, and we won. I think it might have been against NYU, which was a power in those days. 79 80 i believe we were down 8 against BC at the Roberts Center with about 1:32 to go Mike Frazer hits and one layup makes the free throw to tie it we win in overtime.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Jan 27, 2016 12:41:48 GMT -5
Big John made his feelings about the refs known in the post game presser (at around the 9:50 mark of the video). classic JTII. I apologize if this was posted already. tinyurl.com/hbfz73e
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2016 13:09:02 GMT -5
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Post by hoyajinx on Jan 27, 2016 13:12:42 GMT -5
According to KenPom, at the 2:32 mark, we had a 0.7% of winning.
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Post by blueeagle on Jan 27, 2016 13:27:09 GMT -5
I had them at 0.0% chance of winning. So not too far off.
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Post by Cambridge on Jan 27, 2016 13:45:59 GMT -5
Seriously! I probably would have been "asked" to leave otherwise. You may be called upon to leave future games at key moments where victory seems just out of reach. Can we set up some sort of bat signal that lets you know when you have to take one for the team and miss witnessing a glorious comeback?
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 27, 2016 13:54:51 GMT -5
Seriously! I probably would have been "asked" to leave otherwise. You may be called upon to leave future games at key moments where victory seems just out of reach. Can we set up some sort of bat signal that lets you know when you have to take one for the team and miss witnessing a glorious comeback? Do I get partial credit for putting the game on pause, turning my phone off, and allowing my learners permitted 16 year old to drive herself (and me in the death seat) to hockey practice when JTIII was being restrained after Govan's 5th foul then watching the resurrection on delay?
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Post by HoyaChris on Jan 27, 2016 13:55:57 GMT -5
You may be called upon to leave future games at key moments where victory seems just out of reach. Can we set up some sort of bat signal that lets you know when you have to take one for the team and miss witnessing a glorious comeback? Do I get partial credit for putting the game on pause, turning my phone off, and allowing my learners permitted 16 year old to drive herself (and me in the death seat) to hockey practice when JTIII was being restrained after Govan's 5th foul then watching the resurrection on delay? Simply put, NO.
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Post by rambis on Jan 27, 2016 13:58:52 GMT -5
Sending the league rep up to the Stonewalls section at halftime to tell folks to tone it down was just the cherry on top, given that no one said anything that was 1/10th as vulgar as what you hear at every Maryland or WVU home game. Wait, what? They sent a league rep up into the stands? I definitely noticed the heavy security presence at the front of the student section late in the second half. Thought that was odd. Interesting. Last year I sat behind the Creighton bench. After an early Blue Jays run, one of their fans turned to crowd behind and bellowed, "We're in the Big East now!" That elicited the expected reply from Hoya fans, and soon after we took control of the game. Naturally, to the coach and his son, we offered a special "Welcome to the Big East" greeting. Soon after, someone from the Verizon Center security team came over and told a nearby fan that complaints had been received about his use of the word "damn." It was suggested that he could get tossed.
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