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Post by johnnysnowplow on Jan 6, 2016 23:41:24 GMT -5
TC helped mold the expansion JJ. He even had a hand in designing there uniforms. Took JJ to two Nfc champ games. So I'd say TC has a pillar in creating that brand. Beyond that he won two Super Bowls, probably under dogs in both. Um, let's agree to disagree there. He is a Hall of Famer, irrespective of whether I feel he was instrumental in the Giants brand. One thing for sure. . .he is not to blame, at all, for the mess that the Giants have become. Jerry Reese should have been tossed before Coughlin. This is possibly the most irrelevant discussion I've seen on HT in my time here. We're in a thread about the Creighton game and we're talking about Tom Coughlin. Remarkable. Also, guy is incredibly overrated and not the surefire HOFer that everyone makes him out to be.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Jan 7, 2016 4:06:27 GMT -5
The loss of Akoy and Paul certainly hurts much of the great depth we expected to have. We still have some lineup flexibility - but the problem last night was that too many of our guys had poor nights. Replacing one non-productive player with another one does not help. While I do agree that Akau and Paul would have obviously helped, the current team without those two players is already one of the deepest, if not the deepest team, we have had under JT3. The starting 5 + the current 3 players right off the bench can play - not to mention that Akau and Paul, even if health/eligible will still be coming off the bench. You want to compare this current team w/o Akau/Paul to any of the teams we had previously that had SG who couldn't make any jumpshots or PF/C who had no offense and which was like 3v5?
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Jan 7, 2016 7:11:09 GMT -5
The loss of Akoy and Paul certainly hurts much of the great depth we expected to have. We still have some lineup flexibility - but the problem last night was that too many of our guys had poor nights. Replacing one non-productive player with another one does not help. While I do agree that Akau and Paul would have obviously helped, the current team without those two players is already one of the deepest, if not the deepest team, we have had under JT3. The starting 5 + the current 3 players right off the bench can play - not to mention that Akau and Paul, even if health/eligible will still be coming off the bench. You want to compare this current team w/o Akau/Paul to any of the teams we had previously that had SG who couldn't make any jumpshots or PF/C who had no offense and which was like 3v5? Who is Akau?
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 7, 2016 7:26:54 GMT -5
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Jan 7, 2016 8:33:33 GMT -5
While I do agree that Akau and Paul would have obviously helped, the current team without those two players is already one of the deepest, if not the deepest team, we have had under JT3. The starting 5 + the current 3 players right off the bench can play - not to mention that Akau and Paul, even if health/eligible will still be coming off the bench. You want to compare this current team w/o Akau/Paul to any of the teams we had previously that had SG who couldn't make any jumpshots or PF/C who had no offense and which was like 3v5? Who is Akau? Akoy + Agau = Akau. So i guess if your name is John Doe, it can be like John + Doe = Joe
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 7, 2016 10:46:35 GMT -5
The loss of Akoy and Paul certainly hurts much of the great depth we expected to have. We still have some lineup flexibility - but the problem last night was that too many of our guys had poor nights. Replacing one non-productive player with another one does not help. While I do agree that Akau and Paul would have obviously helped, the current team without those two players is already one of the deepest, if not the deepest team, we have had under JT3. The starting 5 + the current 3 players right off the bench can play - not to mention that Akau and Paul, even if health/eligible will still be coming off the bench. You want to compare this current team w/o Akau/Paul to any of the teams we had previously that had SG who couldn't make any jumpshots or PF/C who had no offense and which was like 3v5? We have 4 guys right off the bench who can play. Part of the problem is that Akoy and Paul gave us depth at the 4 that we don't have now, particularly since Marcus seems to be becoming increasingly foul prone.
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Post by wrestlemania on Jan 7, 2016 11:40:35 GMT -5
So JT Jr. is 74, your saying it's set in stone that JT3 is with us as long as his dad is alive? Which can be near 20 years? I guess then we always have Ronnie Thompson as a alternative no? Not what I'm saying at all. The closest analogy to ThompsonII/ThompsonIII is DePaul and what happened after Ray Meyer retired. Joey Meyer took over and lasted 13 years (1984-97) with a good deal of success for 8 or so of those years. He missed 4 straight NCAAs starting in 1993 and his last season was 3-23 and then he was fired. JTIII has nowhere the record of declining success that Joey Meyer had in the last 4 or 5 years of his tenure. And I am saying the chances of JTII being canned in the near term is virtually zero. Especially with the IAC becoming completed this year. And Ronnie has nothing to do with this conversation. So you ARE saying that JTIII can be fired while II and Jack DeGioia are around? I have my doubts. Also, do not assume that the university has the same view of the program as the people who follow it. The school has a lot of other priorities -- has it occurred to anyone that maybe Georgetown is just fine with having a clean, reasonably competitive program that has a good amount of television exposure?
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Post by njhoya78 on Jan 7, 2016 11:54:23 GMT -5
Um, let's agree to disagree there. He is a Hall of Famer, irrespective of whether I feel he was instrumental in the Giants brand. One thing for sure. . .he is not to blame, at all, for the mess that the Giants have become. Jerry Reese should have been tossed before Coughlin. This is possibly the most irrelevant discussion I've seen on HT in my time here. We're in a thread about the Creighton game and we're talking about Tom Coughlin. Remarkable. Also, guy is incredibly overrated and not the surefire HOFer that everyone makes him out to be. Relax. It's a short detour. Besides, you've been on HoyaTalk long enough to know that this detour is far, far from the most irrelevant conversation you've seen on this board this week, let alone throughout your entire tenure.
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Post by This Just In on Jan 7, 2016 18:33:32 GMT -5
Not what I'm saying at all. The closest analogy to ThompsonII/ThompsonIII is DePaul and what happened after Ray Meyer retired. Joey Meyer took over and lasted 13 years (1984-97) with a good deal of success for 8 or so of those years. He missed 4 straight NCAAs starting in 1993 and his last season was 3-23 and then he was fired. JTIII has nowhere the record of declining success that Joey Meyer had in the last 4 or 5 years of his tenure. And I am saying the chances of JTII being canned in the near term is virtually zero. Especially with the IAC becoming completed this year. And Ronnie has nothing to do with this conversation. So you ARE saying that JTIII can be fired while II and Jack DeGioia are around? I have my doubts. Also, do not assume that the university has the same view of the program as the people who follow it. The school has a lot of other priorities -- has it occurred to anyone that maybe Georgetown is just fine with having a clean, reasonably competitive program that has a good amount of television exposure? The younger Thompson, 38, comes with a successful track record. He led Princeton to a 68-42 record over four seasons, including Ivy League titles and NCAA tournament berths in 2000-01 and 2003-04. The Tigers went 20-8 this season, losing to Texas in the first round of the NCAA tournament.
But Thompson III will have to change his recruiting approach at Georgetown. Although both schools stress academics, the Hoyas like to require both Ivy League grades and Big East talent. University President John DeGioia said he chose Thompson III in part because he "wins fairly with integrity," but DeGioia also listed a national championship as a goal.
(Circa April 2004) Based on what President DeGioia stated when JTIII was hired over a decade ago, winning a championship is a goal. Now how close we are to winning a National Championship is another question.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 7, 2016 19:11:08 GMT -5
I don't think there is any doubt that winning a championship is the goal. And, I think it should be. And, I think that's one thing almost everybody on this board can agree on.
Where it gets more dicey is when you start talking about what that means, which has been discussed ad nauseum in the JTIII thread, so I will not do it here.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 7, 2016 20:41:40 GMT -5
Also, do not assume that the university has the same view of the program as the people who follow it. The school has a lot of other priorities -- has it occurred to anyone that maybe Georgetown is just fine with having a clean, reasonably competitive program that has a good amount of television exposure? The younger Thompson, 38, comes with a successful track record. He led Princeton to a 68-42 record over four seasons, including Ivy League titles and NCAA tournament berths in 2000-01 and 2003-04. The Tigers went 20-8 this season, losing to Texas in the first round of the NCAA tournament.
But Thompson III will have to change his recruiting approach at Georgetown. Although both schools stress academics, the Hoyas like to require both Ivy League grades and Big East talent. University President John DeGioia said he chose Thompson III in part because he "wins fairly with integrity," but DeGioia also listed a national championship as a goal.
(Circa April 2004) Based on what President DeGioia stated when JTIII was hired over a decade ago, winning a championship is a goal.Now how close we are to winning a National Championship is another question. Well, getting rid of the Thompsons is your goal TJIHoyas from Dallas, Texas. I'll have to admit though you do get an A for effort.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Jan 7, 2016 21:59:32 GMT -5
Also, do not assume that the university has the same view of the program as the people who follow it. The school has a lot of other priorities -- has it occurred to anyone that maybe Georgetown is just fine with having a clean, reasonably competitive program that has a good amount of television exposure? The younger Thompson, 38, comes with a successful track record. He led Princeton to a 68-42 record over four seasons, including Ivy League titles and NCAA tournament berths in 2000-01 and 2003-04. The Tigers went 20-8 this season, losing to Texas in the first round of the NCAA tournament.
But Thompson III will have to change his recruiting approach at Georgetown. Although both schools stress academics, the Hoyas like to require both Ivy League grades and Big East talent. University President John DeGioia said he chose Thompson III in part because he "wins fairly with integrity," but DeGioia also listed a national championship as a goal.
(Circa April 2004) Based on what President DeGioia stated when JTIII was hired over a decade ago, winning a championship is a goal. Now how close we are to winning a National Championship is another question. How many times are you going to post this quote? Seriously. How many more times can we expect to read this quote with some variation of your anti-JTIII agenda following it?
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 8, 2016 7:36:31 GMT -5
TJI is reverting to the posting form he displayed when he first joined the board, unfortunately.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 8, 2016 7:51:05 GMT -5
Wrestlemania threw it right down the middle for TJI to hit out of the park. I like that that quote settles or stops any crazy HT discussion about our basketball programs' goals.
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Post by kchoya on Jan 9, 2016 4:28:46 GMT -5
TJI is reverting to the posting form he displayed when he first joined the board, unfortunately. Anyone else annoyed at his continued misuse of "circa"?
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Post by wrestlemania on Jan 9, 2016 18:41:05 GMT -5
Also, do not assume that the university has the same view of the program as the people who follow it. The school has a lot of other priorities -- has it occurred to anyone that maybe Georgetown is just fine with having a clean, reasonably competitive program that has a good amount of television exposure? The younger Thompson, 38, comes with a successful track record. He led Princeton to a 68-42 record over four seasons, including Ivy League titles and NCAA tournament berths in 2000-01 and 2003-04. The Tigers went 20-8 this season, losing to Texas in the first round of the NCAA tournament.
But Thompson III will have to change his recruiting approach at Georgetown. Although both schools stress academics, the Hoyas like to require both Ivy League grades and Big East talent. University President John DeGioia said he chose Thompson III in part because he "wins fairly with integrity," but DeGioia also listed a national championship as a goal.
(Circa April 2004) This is press release fodder 101 -- it has about as much weight as "I'd like to be rich." And consider the heat Jack was under at that time -- did you really expect him to say that they weren't interested in winning a championship? Anyway, the quote is beside the point. Sure, they'd like to win a championship, but that does not mean that something less is unacceptable under any circumstances. Winning is the objective, but not at the expense of the school's other priorities. This has always been the case at Georgetown.
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Post by wrestlemania on Jan 9, 2016 18:50:50 GMT -5
Wrestlemania threw it right down the middle for TJI to hit out of the park. I like that that quote settles or stops any crazy HT discussion about our basketball programs' goals. See my response above. TJI's "home run" was a decade-old valentine every university president or AD delivers to angry alumni when they hire a new coach. Over 12,000 posts and you still don't know this?
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Post by prhoya on Jan 9, 2016 18:57:11 GMT -5
Wrestlemania threw it right down the middle for TJI to hit out of the park. I like that that quote settles or stops any crazy HT discussion about our basketball programs' goals. See my response above. TJI's "home run" was a decade-old PR statement that every university president or AD makes in one form or another when they hire a new coach. Over 12,000 posts and you still don't know this? Jack D.? No, they could have toned down expectations by not mentioning the championship, instead they went all the way. I don't think when Seton Hall hires its next coach, the AD will say anything about winning the championship.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 9, 2016 19:05:07 GMT -5
Winning is the objective, but not at the expense of the school's other priorities. This has always been the case at Georgetown. One thing does not exclude the other, as Jack D. pointed out.
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