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Post by puppydog100 on Dec 16, 2015 10:02:32 GMT -5
FrazierFanatic, I do show up. I showed up, live and in person at the Wisconsin, Syracuse, Duke and UMD games cheering for the Hoyas.
GU basketball is, and has been on the down side of the slippery slope for some time. The current game has passed JTIII by. If a top 50 program had a coaching vacancy, do you think JTIII would be a serious candidate? We have him, and he's not going anywhere, he's running the family business.
GU has become a mid-major program, in a mid-major conference. Enjoy the games. My disappointment is that we are not on track to be the elite program of years past.
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Post by bkhoya on Dec 16, 2015 11:07:10 GMT -5
I'm also curious why a discussion of the coach doesn't merit attention as to whether he should be on the hot seat as well? Top shelf guards don't like how the team plays and apparently neither does the casual fan. When was the last time the team actually overachieved overall? You know kinda how what Monmouth is doing. LOL the 2012-13 team was a massive overachievement. Team was mostly just Otto, with markel as his robin. Look at the rest of that roster. And we were easily a top 8 team in the country. Arguably best defense in the country. NCAA 2 seed. Go ahead and point to the FGCU loss, but don't tell me jtiii didn't prepare that team to the point where any blue blood program would have been shaking in their boots if they had to play us. The FGCU loss is my point. You cannot say that team overachieved and still accept the loss to FGCU, especially when you have the #3 pick on your team.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Dec 16, 2015 11:10:18 GMT -5
LOL the 2012-13 team was a massive overachievement. Team was mostly just Otto, with markel as his robin. Look at the rest of that roster. And we were easily a top 8 team in the country. Arguably best defense in the country. NCAA 2 seed. Go ahead and point to the FGCU loss, but don't tell me jtiii didn't prepare that team to the point where any blue blood program would have been shaking in their boots if they had to play us. The FGCU loss is my point. You cannot say that team overachieved and still accept the loss to FGCU, especially when you have the #3 pick on your team. Actually, that's exactly how you can say that team overachieved. If you actually look at the team over the course of the whole season, and not just the final game, it certainly fared better than could be expected based on the roster. It might have underachieved in the NCAA tournament, but it overachieved over the course of the full season.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 16, 2015 11:11:21 GMT -5
This thread is ridiculous. Every time we lose to a team that people don't respect they bring this nonsense up. No, Monmouth isn't the worst loss of the JT3 era. That assertion by ThisJustIn is ridiculous. Radford, for one, was clearly worse. The 2013 team had a horrible loss to USF that was far worse than Monmouth. And DePaul at the BET was really awful too. None of this merits hot seat discussion. And the idea that JT3's salary could easily bring in a quality coach is ridiculous too. We've been over this numerous times. Not to mention that it's highly unlikely Georgetown would give any other coach that amount of money. Neither USF nor DePaul were even close to as bad as last night. Those are high-major conference opponents with respectable talent, which cannot be said for Monmouth. Given that Radford was a buzzer-beater and last night was a blowout, it probably is the worst REGULAR SEASON loss of III's career.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 11:17:17 GMT -5
The Big East isn't a mid-major conference. Four teams are currently ranked. The Big East had a winning record vs the P5 last year and is 22-14 against them so far this year (Depaul is 0-4). But I can see why there is some frustration with the fanbases of other Big East schools that GU isn't playing up to expectations. Monmouth is a perfect example.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Dec 16, 2015 11:33:19 GMT -5
My Lord! We are not a mid-major team in a mid-major conference. Totally wrong. Big East conference has been among the Top RPI conferences after the split with multiple NCAA bids each year. We have 4 teams in the Top 25 right now. The conference is nowhere close to mid-major and is trending stronger if anything. Please. Just flat out wrong.
And Georgetown's ability to recruit Top 100 talent over the past few years is strong evidence that we are nowhere close to a mid-major program. The past two recruiting classes have been very strong. We are not elite by any stretch, but we are closer to elite than we are mid-major. Our team talent level is very high right now.
Our problems boil down to 1) coaching/system/in-game strategy; 2) player motivation/intensity/effort; 3) player attention to detail on defense and rebounding; and 4) player valuing possessions/ball handling under pressure.
Blame for these 4 key issues can be laid at the feet of the entire coaching staff and players. Everyone has to step up. This team can be very good. It has the talent to improve in all 4 areas and become a Top 25 team.
What can we do?
I think Paul White is the game changer if he can somehow get healthy. JT3 has got to mix up the lineup before Big East conference play. Maybe send a message by replacing Peak or Derrickson with White in the starting lineup. Make Hayes and Govan compete each week in practice for the starting center position? Pull DSR in-game if he takes a couple bad 3s. Things need to be shaken up a bit. I still think we can get there, but the patterns thus far have been disturbing to say the least.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 16, 2015 11:34:25 GMT -5
Neither USF nor DePaul were even close to as bad as last night. Those are high-major conference opponents with respectable talent, which cannot be said for Monmouth. Given that Radford was a buzzer-beater and last night was a blowout, it probably is the worst REGULAR SEASON loss of III's career. Your problem is perception. Actually, USF and DePaul were worse losses - simply because they were Big East teams and "high-major conference opponents" doesn't mean that they were better than Monmouth. For example, on KenPom, USF was ranked 147, and DePaul was ranked 198. Before last night's game, Monmouth was 80, and now they are 54. For what it is worth, we are now 46 on KenPom. Radford is ranked 201 now (and was ranked even worse when we played them). Losing at home to a 200-level team is far worse than losing to Monmouth, a team that is actually not rated that much worse than we are. The problem is that people perceive Monmouth to be the awful team they have been the last several years, rather than the team they are this year. Don't get me wrong - we should have beat them - but to say it's the worst regular season loss is a stretch.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 16, 2015 11:36:37 GMT -5
I do not see game strategy or decisions as among the team's top ten problems, let alone at the top of the list. From my perspective, we have a group of players that is not taking pride in how they play. If that is what we see on the court, one can only guess at what is happening during practice. The coaches need to try to figure out how to light that fire. If that does not occur, this team is toast.
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Post by Filo on Dec 16, 2015 11:38:19 GMT -5
This thread is ridiculous. Every time we lose to a team that people don't respect they bring this nonsense up. No, Monmouth isn't the worst loss of the JT3 era. That assertion by ThisJustIn is ridiculous. Radford, for one, was clearly worse. The 2013 team had a horrible loss to USF that was far worse than Monmouth. And DePaul at the BET was really awful too. None of this merits hot seat discussion. And the idea that JT3's salary could easily bring in a quality coach is ridiculous too. We've been over this numerous times. Not to mention that it's highly unlikely Georgetown would give any other coach that amount of money. Neither USF nor DePaul were even close to as bad as last night. Those are high-major conference opponents with respectable talent, which cannot be said for Monmouth. Given that Radford was a buzzer-beater and last night was a blowout, it probably is the worst REGULAR SEASON loss of III's career. The loss sucked, no two ways about it. But why do you insist on minimizing Monmouth in almost every single post? They are a decent squad this year with some good wins. Again, that's not to defend the loss, but you are simply ignoring the quality of the opponent based on their reputations. This Monmouth squad would have handled those USF and DePaul teams easily. Sure, Monmouth was 0-30 against BE teams, so the loss really looks bad. But THIS Monmouth team didn't lose those 30 prior games. THIS Monmouth team has already beaten UCLA and ND. Edit - Looks like hoyasaxa2003 bet me to it. Same idea...
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 16, 2015 11:38:30 GMT -5
Neither USF nor DePaul were even close to as bad as last night. Those are high-major conference opponents with respectable talent, which cannot be said for Monmouth. Given that Radford was a buzzer-beater and last night was a blowout, it probably is the worst REGULAR SEASON loss of III's career. Your problem is perception. Actually, USF and DePaul were worse losses - simply because they were Big East teams and "high-major conference opponents" doesn't mean that they were better than Monmouth. For example, on KenPom, USF was ranked 147, and DePaul was ranked 198. Before last night's game, Monmouth was 80, and now they are 54. For what it is worth, we are now 46 on KenPom. Radford is ranked 201 now (and was ranked even worse when we played them). Losing at home to a 200-level team is far worse than losing to Monmouth, a team that is actually not rated that much worse than we are. The problem is that people perceive Monmouth to be the awful team they have been the last several years, rather than the team they are this year. Don't get me wrong - we should have beat them - but to say it's the worst regular season loss is a stretch. I do not give KenPom, RPI, or any other computer rating system much validity. Monmouth is a mid-major team on our out-of-conference clean-up schedule. There is no excuse to lose that type of game, even if the computers put them in the top ten. Period.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 16, 2015 12:01:02 GMT -5
I do not give KenPom, RPI, or any other computer rating system much validity. Monmouth is a mid-major team on our out-of-conference clean-up schedule. There is no excuse to lose that type of game, even if the computers put them in the top ten. Period. This makes no sense. So, you're essentially saying that wins and losses should be evaluated based on your own perception of the team and the conference they play in, rather than actual quality of the team? That makes absolutely no sense. Under your logic, if an A-10 team truly was a top 10 team, we should always beat them, even if we aren't even a top 50 team. That makes no sense. I would also be curious if you give top 25 rankings any validity, because I certainly am not going to trust the collective opinion of journalists to objective systems like RPI or KenPom that actually have a valid basis for their evaluations. As has been said before, Monmouth was likely scheduled with the idea that it would be part of the finals "clean-up" schedule to use your term. They turned out to be much better than that.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 16, 2015 12:04:12 GMT -5
I am not a guy who buys into the computer-driven numbers analysis. And yes, I DO think that we should spank teams from the A-10. There IS a conference superiority issue here, and we need to own that. We should expect to crush team from inferior conferences and take it as a personal insult when they as much as believe that they can compete with us.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 16, 2015 12:09:44 GMT -5
I am not a guy who buys into the computer-driven numbers analysis. And yes, I DO think that we should spank teams from the A-10. There IS a conference superiority issue here, and we need to own that. We should expect to crush team from inferior conferences and take it as a personal insult when they as much as believe that they can compete with us. The fact that the Big East is a better conference than the A-10 or other midmajors doesn't mean that every team in the Big East is as good as every team in the A-10. That's not computer driven, it's common sense. To turn it around: Let's say UNC had a really down year, and was really bad, with bad RPI/rankings. Let's say VCU is a top 10 team all year. Let's say we beat both. Under your logic, the UNC win is "better" because they are UNC and VCU is a midmajor. Thankfully, the NCAA tournament committee does not use your logic.
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Post by hibbertfor3 on Dec 16, 2015 12:58:55 GMT -5
Can't we just start a thread titled "JT3 Coaching Discussion" or something like that. For all the obvious reasons there is NO way JT3 is on the hot seat so why keep coming back to this thread? Lock it up and let's get on track
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Post by TBird41 on Dec 16, 2015 13:19:26 GMT -5
Your problem is perception. Actually, USF and DePaul were worse losses - simply because they were Big East teams and "high-major conference opponents" doesn't mean that they were better than Monmouth. For example, on KenPom, USF was ranked 147, and DePaul was ranked 198. Before last night's game, Monmouth was 80, and now they are 54. For what it is worth, we are now 46 on KenPom. Radford is ranked 201 now (and was ranked even worse when we played them). Losing at home to a 200-level team is far worse than losing to Monmouth, a team that is actually not rated that much worse than we are. The problem is that people perceive Monmouth to be the awful team they have been the last several years, rather than the team they are this year. Don't get me wrong - we should have beat them - but to say it's the worst regular season loss is a stretch. I do not give KenPom, RPI, or any other computer rating system much validity. Monmouth is a mid-major team on our out-of-conference clean-up schedule. There is no excuse to lose that type of game, even if the computers put them in the top ten. Period. And they went into Pauley and won convincingly over a UCLA team good enough to beat Kentucky by double-digits.
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Post by Air Jordan on Dec 16, 2015 13:44:53 GMT -5
I agree with hibbertfor3, either change the name of this thread or lock this bs up. Its like just a repeat of repeats and alot of whining.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 16, 2015 13:52:45 GMT -5
I didn't see one of these on the bench. Until I do, the answer will continue to be no.
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Post by lurkerhoya on Dec 16, 2015 14:02:35 GMT -5
I didn't see one of these on the bench. Until I do, the answer will continue to be no. Have you seen the size of our budget though? We would only use premium seat warmers anyway
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 16, 2015 14:02:39 GMT -5
Christmas shopping for my wife is DONE! Thanks tashoya!
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Post by royski on Dec 16, 2015 14:14:25 GMT -5
To quote the ad, "We Are Georgetown!!!" Sadly, when it comes to basketball, that means we are a middling former power that routinely craps the bed against mid-majors. I still root for the Hoyas and always will, but expectations are lowered. It honestly seems like we're becoming a mid-major ourselves. Just another team in the mix on a year to year basis in a conference run by Villanova. It's sad to watch. We're 10 games into the season and seriously arguing whether our worst loss is Radford or Monmouth. That alone tells you all you need to know about the state of this program.
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