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Post by tullamore2 on Nov 14, 2015 14:35:59 GMT -5
Another embarrassingl loss to a mid major team. This has become a pattern the last few years & mostly in the NCAA tournament. The lack of guard play and the inability to guard other teams quick point guards has been a staple of th JT3 teams the last few years. It has to end or some changes need to be made.
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Post by royski on Nov 14, 2015 14:52:02 GMT -5
The truth is that Georgetown, especially in a non-BCS conference, is not positioned to attract a different marquee coach. We're basically both lucky to have him, and stuck with him. It is what it is.
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Post by Hoyasaxa20 on Nov 14, 2015 14:52:52 GMT -5
I agree. I hate to say it, but we are there... JT3 recruits great talent and coaches them to play well below their potential. The value of a coach is his ability to get the best out of a group of players. We consistently play well below our abilities. Poor plays, poor clock management, poor set plays, lack of exposing other team's weaknesses, bad preparation. All on the coach.
I was JT3's biggest fan 7 years ago. And I think that he is a great guy. But it is time to accept that he is not performing. And 8 or 9 years of underperformance is unacceptable.
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Post by Hoyasaxa20 on Nov 14, 2015 14:53:34 GMT -5
The truth is that Georgetown, especially in a non-BCS conference, is not positioned to attract a different marquee coach. We're basically both lucky to have him, and stuck with him. It is what it is.
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Post by smokeyjack on Nov 14, 2015 14:58:18 GMT -5
Completely valid question about hot seat. Welcome to North Korea.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 14, 2015 15:03:10 GMT -5
Thanks for the nice insult. Locked temporarily to give me time to post about remembering board rules. Posters should familiarize themselves with all the board rules LINK when posting on this topic.
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Post by royski on Nov 14, 2015 15:06:11 GMT -5
I understand the rule about no calls for rescinding scholarships, these are student athletes, that makes sense to me. But we're not allowed to talk about whether we need to go in a different direction with the staff? This is a basketball board, and those men are professionals. I'll abide by the rule, but I really disagree with it.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 14, 2015 15:10:03 GMT -5
I understand the rule about no calls for rescinding scholarships, these are student athletes, that makes sense to me. But we're not allowed to talk about whether we need to go in a different direction with the staff? This is a basketball board, and those men are professionals. I'll abide by the rule, but I really disagree with it. The rule does not say you can not discuss the subject, it just says this is not a platform for calling for staff to be fired. Fine line, I agree, but it is what it is. None of that makes any of us moderators Kim Jung-un, which is frankly ludicrous.
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Post by strummer8526 on Nov 14, 2015 15:13:59 GMT -5
I wasn't around here for the Esherick-to-III move, but wasn't the Board a place where people openly discussed the need for the school to find a new coach? Maybe I'm wrong about that. But it seems perfectly reasonable for fans of a team to discuss whether the University should allow its well-paid coach to continue to fail in the same ways year after year after year after year.
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Post by hoyaboya on Nov 14, 2015 15:18:00 GMT -5
He's not going anywhere as long as his dad's alive, at least not unless it's by his own choice. We all know that. Given such information, I'd rather focus on how he can improve as opposed to calling for his firing. First of all, I think he needs help as an in-game tactician. With Burke/Brennan gone, who on the current staff helps make in-game adjustments? I like Broadus and Hardy as recruiters. But we need a "wise sage" type with the pedigree/authority to get JT3 to listen to his in-game advice.
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Post by deacon on Nov 14, 2015 15:23:56 GMT -5
You can't invest as much as this school has in the basketball program, especially with the practice facility slated to open in 2016, and just accept the fact that you couldn't go in a different direction at head coach and not find a marquee replacement.
I don't buy that at all. And it doesn't even need to be a big name, just the right coach.
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Post by hoyaboya on Nov 14, 2015 15:30:36 GMT -5
You can't invest as much as this school has in the basketball program, especially with the practice facility slated to open in 2016, and just accept the fact that you couldn't go in a different direction at head coach and not find a marquee replacement. I don't buy that at all. And it doesn't even need to be a big name, just the right coach. While I agree 100%, do you really think that they would fire the son of the dude the new facility's named for? And that somebody like Lee Reed would actually order the code red? There's literally a 0% chance of that happening.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2015 15:34:37 GMT -5
1st game of the season.... I mean this is some stupid....
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Post by puppydog100 on Nov 14, 2015 15:38:05 GMT -5
JT3 is not going anywhere.
College basketball is all about coaching, we do not have an elite coaching staff.
GU is a mid-major program, and has been for some time. Get used to it.
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Post by deacon on Nov 14, 2015 15:46:50 GMT -5
You can't invest as much as this school has in the basketball program, especially with the practice facility slated to open in 2016, and just accept the fact that you couldn't go in a different direction at head coach and not find a marquee replacement. I don't buy that at all. And it doesn't even need to be a big name, just the right coach. While I agree 100%, do you really think that they would fire the son of the dude the new facility's named for? And that somebody like Lee Reed would actually order the code red? There's literally a 0% chance of that happening. I'm not saying he will or even should. There's a ton of basketball left to be played this season. My optimistic self says this will be a real early wake up call and the team will be fine. However, if the time came that it was painfully obvious that the program was at a standstill and a change was in order, the school wouldn't be hurting in their search for a suitable replacement. That's all.
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Post by calhoya on Nov 14, 2015 15:49:55 GMT -5
I believe that this team was not prepared to play today and that most fans, including many passionate fans here on this site, were simply shocked by the poor performance. This team has serious problems on offense and defense, just like the past couple of years and these must be addressed through adjustments to fit the talent on hand. The coach should have had them prepared for this game, particularly with the extra practice this summer and the games in Italy. So hopefully it is clear that I am not an apologist for this coach or the assistants. However, it is beyond ridiculous to me that one game, no matter how poor the performance by coach and players, could put the staff in jeopardy. It would be different if people argued that the hot seat was the result of years, but this is the first game. It was before a big week of games. This is a talented team and a good coach and while I expect that they could lose their next three games, it is still too early to talk about change. Today was an embarrassment but it is time to see what the team does next and judge them in February not November.
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Post by tullamore2 on Nov 14, 2015 15:58:45 GMT -5
1st game of the season.... I mean this is some stupid.... No, it's naive to think this is about one game. It's about the last 7-8 years of bad losses & early exits in the NCAA tournament with this coaching staff. NCAA results 2008- lost 1st round 2009- NIT 2010- lost 2nd round 2011- lost 1st round 2012- lost 2nd round 2013- lost 1st round 2014- NIT 2015- lost 2nd round This coaching staff hasn't made it to the 2nd weekend of the NCAA tournament in over 8 years!!! Sorry that's not just one game, that's a pattern of underperforming.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 14, 2015 15:59:38 GMT -5
You can't invest as much as this school has in the basketball program, especially with the practice facility slated to open in 2016, and just accept the fact that you couldn't go in a different direction at head coach and not find a marquee replacement. I don't buy that at all. And it doesn't even need to be a big name, just the right coach. While I agree 100%, do you really think that they would fire the son of the dude the new facility's named for? And that somebody like Lee Reed would actually order the code red? There's literally a 0% chance of that happening. This has been discussed ad nauseum in previous "hot seat" threads. Just like people here overestimate the ability of our players to leap to the NBA, people overestimate how appealing we are to the outside world. The new facility surely helps, but you are forgetting that most top level basketball programs (the type we aspire to be among) ALREADY HAVE A PRACTICE FACILITY. Thus, while it's a nice thing to have, it's not like it's going to make tons of great coaches come here. The other key is that John Thompson III is a good coach AND he has loyalty to the school. There's always a chance we could get a "young gun" replacement type (like a Brad Stevens), but at the first hint of success that person would almost surely leave for a bigger program. Most importantly, this thread is silly because there cannot be a "hot seat" after one game. The degree to which HoyaTalk can become hysterical is pretty amazing. And watch, if somehow we beat Maryland on Tuesday, many of the folks will disappear.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 14, 2015 16:03:17 GMT -5
1st game of the season.... I mean this is some stupid.... No, it's naive to think this is about one game. It's about the last 7-8 years of bad losses & early exits in the NCAA tournament with this coaching staff. NCAA results 2008- lost 1st round 2009- NIT 2010- lost 2nd round 2011- lost 1st round 2012- lost 2nd round 2013- lost 1st round 2014- NIT 2015- lost 2nd round This coaching staff hasn't made it to the 2nd weekend in the NCAA tournament in over 8 years!!! Sorry that's not just one game, that's a pattern of underperforming. 2007 - 2 seed 2008 - 2 seed 2009 - NIT 2010 - 3 seed 2011 - 6 seed 2012 - 3 seed 2013 - 2 seed 2014 - NIT 2015 - 4 seed Is it bad that we haven't made the second weekend of the tournament in a while? Yes. Is this record of high seeds and getting to the tournament a failure or underperformance? Absolutely not. People always seem to forget that getting to the NCAA tournament with a high seed isn't a given.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 14, 2015 16:06:11 GMT -5
At the last interregnum, the applicants in the public discussion were from Princeton, Air Force, and Rice. Just take a look at some of the recent Big East openings - not exactly top coaches in the mix. Mullin is unique to St. Johns, but take DePaul. They didn't have high level talent knocking the door down. I realize we are a more storied program than DePaul, but still, it shows that the Big East isn't the landing zone for top level coaches. And, even if you got a "young gun" like Wojo AND he was successful (not a given), there's no way he'd stay. Does anybody seriously think that if Wojo is successful at Marquette after 5-7 years that he'll stay there? No way.
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