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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 8, 2016 12:14:20 GMT -5
Shocking KC is a lawyer. Probably on the Hillary/Feel the Bern ticket. Say what?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 8, 2016 12:24:02 GMT -5
If you don't ordinarily peruse other threads, you might be surprised to learn that Georgia Tech has a 3:30pm press conference scheduled to announce that they have hired Josh Pastner as their next head coach, away from Memphis. Win-win. Memphis saved a $10.6 million buyout, which would have been the largest buyout in college basketball history (per Gary Parrish at CBS Sports,com), and will have money to go after some big names. Pastner, just 37, gets a new lease on life as a major college coach.
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Post by njhoya78 on Apr 8, 2016 12:56:47 GMT -5
Shocking KC is a lawyer. Probably on the Hillary/Feel the Bern ticket. Say what? Yeah, that caught my eye as well, but I attributed it to just being very tired when I read it.
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Post by Filo on Apr 8, 2016 14:55:34 GMT -5
If you don't ordinarily peruse other threads, you might be surprised to learn that Georgia Tech has a 3:30pm press conference scheduled to announce that they have hired Josh Pastner as their next head coach, away from Memphis. Win-win. Memphis saved a $10.6 million buyout, which would have been the largest buyout in college basketball history (per Gary Parrish at CBS Sports,com), and will have money to go after some big names. Pastner, just 37, gets a new lease on life as a major college coach. Yeah, that is the very definition of a win-win, for everyone but Georgia Tech. Memphis fan base is ecstatic. Pastner must feel like he hit the lottery.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 8, 2016 15:02:14 GMT -5
Once Larry Brown retires, the AAC will be on par with the A-10. UConn is the shining start, Cincy is solid, temple, SMU, Houston, Memphis will all have there moments but there are a lot of bottom feeders there and I am glad the catholic 7 made the move when we did. Not sure if Cincy is strong enough to warrant a Big 12 invite but WVU needs somebody remotely close to them to play.
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Post by eagle54 on Apr 8, 2016 19:08:37 GMT -5
Say what? Yeah, that caught my eye as well, but I attributed it to just being very tired when I read it. KC = FEEL THE BERN on this board. I pegged him as a bleeding heart. I guess I was correct.
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Post by eagle54 on Apr 8, 2016 19:13:36 GMT -5
Agree to disagree on calling for someone's job at this point in the performance and the current landscape. I've been questioning that job since we sh.. the bed the last (what seems like 10 times in the postseason). Too think if this program wants to have the profile it has and that job shouldn't be challenged is naive and perhaps why we are where we are. Who said the job shouldn't be challenged? I never did. I said that he's not going anywhere because the University isn't buying him out. You choose to not read and that's fine. But from a human resources perspective, you shouldn't publicly call for a person to be fired without a viable option in mind. It took you months to offer one up because you didn't want to have the back and forth about individuals. I appreciated that you finally did. Drquigley should do the same because, if you believe an organization is heading in the wrong direction, you'd better have a better direction in mind before abandoning what wasn't the worst case scenario in the first place. If you and he think JT3 is the worst we can do, I'm not the one that's being naive. I read ok but only on as well as my Georgetown education allows. You just have the defeated mentality about what you think can't change. Those on the fringe like me and the good Dr. like to think of a day when we can compete and not live in fear of what could be worse than what we have. And who's bringing HR policies into this?
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Post by tashoya on Apr 8, 2016 20:34:39 GMT -5
Who said the job shouldn't be challenged? I never did. I said that he's not going anywhere because the University isn't buying him out. You choose to not read and that's fine. But from a human resources perspective, you shouldn't publicly call for a person to be fired without a viable option in mind. It took you months to offer one up because you didn't want to have the back and forth about individuals. I appreciated that you finally did. Drquigley should do the same because, if you believe an organization is heading in the wrong direction, you'd better have a better direction in mind before abandoning what wasn't the worst case scenario in the first place. If you and he think JT3 is the worst we can do, I'm not the one that's being naive. TAS, I love you but I think you just like to argue. We are fans of this program as I'm assuming all the others posting are. We can all vent about whatever we want. If the coach isn't getting the job done we can call that out and say it should change. I thought you were better than the defense mechanism of this board to say "we'll who would be better?". Not my job, not your job, not Dr's job. That's the AD's job and the Universities job. However, we all know there are coaches that would love this job and be very aggressive in this job since they have their livelihood on the line. This coaching group has always come off as half caring whether true or not that's the perception. To continue to defend this setup makes me think half the posters here are relatives of the administration since there's only a few but they are so vocal to shoot anything down. Gestapo like. You obviously missed my new thread where I was trying to bring some look forward positivity to the board as I go into every season wanting to believe in the team. It's also not my job, your job or drquigley's job to fire anyone. That too falls to the University. So it's OK to recommend a firing with no idea of a better option but it's not OK to ask the person asking for the firing for a better option? Got it. You also continue to ignore that I've not been advocating for JT3 to keep his job. I'm only saying that I'm aware that it's beyond exceedingly likely that he will keep his job considering the length and compensation involved with his current contract. Add to that his family legacy and his record of regular season success. I can really, really wanna ride a unicorn. It doesn't make it any more likely that I'll be able to You seem to equate that with being content or in defense of him as a coach or as defeatist. It's a false equivalency but it's pointless to keep discussing it.
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Post by eagle54 on Apr 8, 2016 20:46:01 GMT -5
TAS, I love you but I think you just like to argue. We are fans of this program as I'm assuming all the others posting are. We can all vent about whatever we want. If the coach isn't getting the job done we can call that out and say it should change. I thought you were better than the defense mechanism of this board to say "we'll who would be better?". Not my job, not your job, not Dr's job. That's the AD's job and the Universities job. However, we all know there are coaches that would love this job and be very aggressive in this job since they have their livelihood on the line. This coaching group has always come off as half caring whether true or not that's the perception. To continue to defend this setup makes me think half the posters here are relatives of the administration since there's only a few but they are so vocal to shoot anything down. Gestapo like. You obviously missed my new thread where I was trying to bring some look forward positivity to the board as I go into every season wanting to believe in the team. It's also not my job, your job or drquigley's job to fire anyone. That too falls to the University. So it's OK to recommend a firing with no idea of a better option but it's not OK to ask the person asking for the firing for a better option? Got it. You also continue to ignore that I've not been advocating for JT3 to keep his job. I'm only saying that I'm aware that it's beyond exceedingly likely that he will keep his job considering the length and compensation involved with his current contract. Add to that his family legacy and his record of regular season success. I can really, really wanna ride a unicorn. It doesn't make it any more likely that I'll be able to You seem to equate that with being content or in defense of him as a coach or as defeatist. It's a false equality but it's pointless to keep discussing it. Send me the Hoya pills so I can join the lovefest already. It's hard to see the reality.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 8, 2016 20:49:39 GMT -5
Who said the job shouldn't be challenged? I never did. I said that he's not going anywhere because the University isn't buying him out. You choose to not read and that's fine. But from a human resources perspective, you shouldn't publicly call for a person to be fired without a viable option in mind. It took you months to offer one up because you didn't want to have the back and forth about individuals. I appreciated that you finally did. Drquigley should do the same because, if you believe an organization is heading in the wrong direction, you'd better have a better direction in mind before abandoning what wasn't the worst case scenario in the first place. If you and he think JT3 is the worst we can do, I'm not the one that's being naive. I read ok but only on as well as my Georgetown education allows. You just have the defeated mentality about what you think can't change. Those on the fringe like me and the good Dr. like to think of a day when we can compete and not live in fear of what could be worse than what we have. And who's bringing HR policies into this? As for the HR part, firing is an HR function but that wasn't the point. If I'm calling for someone, anyone to lose their job and their livelihood, I would absolutely have a better option in mind unless the position was being eliminated. Seeing as how HC isn't one of those positions, I can't wrap my head around calling for a person to lose their job without one better option for moving forward. I'm not saying anyone has to play the role of the AD or the University. But, while JT3 is a polarizing figure about whom there are differing opinions, he's also an actual person with a real job that he makes money doing that, in turn, provides for his family. Personally, I find it, at best, irresponsible to call for him to lose his job without having a viable option that one deems as better. Apparently we disagree on that too. Again, a pointless discussion.
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Post by eagle54 on Apr 8, 2016 20:57:46 GMT -5
I read ok but only on as well as my Georgetown education allows. You just have the defeated mentality about what you think can't change. Those on the fringe like me and the good Dr. like to think of a day when we can compete and not live in fear of what could be worse than what we have. And who's bringing HR policies into this? As for the HR part, firing is an HR function but that wasn't the point. If I'm calling for someone, anyone to lose their job and their livelihood, I would absolutely have a better option in mind unless the position was being eliminated. Seeing as how HC isn't one of those positions, I can't wrap my head around calling for a person to lose their job without one better option for moving forward. I'm not saying anyone has to play the role of the AD or the University. But, while JT3 is a polarizing figure about whom there are differing opinions, he's also an actual person with a real job that he makes money doing that, in turn, provides for his family. Personally, I find it, at best, irresponsible to call for him to lose his job without having a viable option that one deems as better. Apparently we disagree on that too. Again, a pointless discussion. TAS, I know your not entirely serious with this post. You are talking about him as if he's just making ends meet to feed his family. He's in a very high profile position making $3m per year and has made more than most already will make in a lifetime so not worried about his finances. I actually don't think of JTIII as a polarizing figure as I think he's a very nice man and someone we all want to root for. I just think he doesn't have the fire to make the program great and in his position that is what gets called into question. Finally, stop with the better options. There's a million options some may be better and some may be worse but we won't know until it's tried. He's in for next year so let's see how this coming season goes but if it's more of the same then I think the patience will wear very thin.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 8, 2016 21:51:57 GMT -5
As for the HR part, firing is an HR function but that wasn't the point. If I'm calling for someone, anyone to lose their job and their livelihood, I would absolutely have a better option in mind unless the position was being eliminated. Seeing as how HC isn't one of those positions, I can't wrap my head around calling for a person to lose their job without one better option for moving forward. I'm not saying anyone has to play the role of the AD or the University. But, while JT3 is a polarizing figure about whom there are differing opinions, he's also an actual person with a real job that he makes money doing that, in turn, provides for his family. Personally, I find it, at best, irresponsible to call for him to lose his job without having a viable option that one deems as better. Apparently we disagree on that too. Again, a pointless discussion. TAS, I know your not entirely serious with this post. You are talking about him as if he's just making ends meet to feed his family. He's in a very high profile position making $3m per year and has made more than most already will make in a lifetime so not worried about his finances. I actually don't think of JTIII as a polarizing figure as I think he's a very nice man and someone we all want to root for. I just think he doesn't have the fire to make the program great and in his position that is what gets called into question. Finally, stop with the better options. There's a million options some may be better and some may be worse but we won't know until it's tried. He's in for next year so let's see how this coming season goes but if it's more of the same then I think the patience will wear very thin. I was serious about the post. You went to Georgetown. Certainly you know some people that had great jobs with great pay that ended up losing them and not having much to fall back on. Regardless, it's a person's livelihood. Trivialize that if you like. I choose not to. As for polarizing, of course he is. His "fire" and "passion" and "desire" and "demeanor" are constantly in question and topics of debate here. Some hate him for his offensive scheme that, a lot of the time, we don't even run. Some hate him for his family connections and, seeming, entrenchment because of it. I feel like he's a good guy and a better than average but not top tier X's and O's guy but, then again, I only know what I see on TV and in the games that I attend. And I feel that his family connections/rep are more of a plus than a minus in terms of recruiting. I could be wrong about all of it. We all could be. I'm just saying that if I were in the camp of calling for his job, which isn't my call to make, I'd have an option or two that I thought was better (also not my call to make). It's possible that there are better options out there. It's probable that there are since it's him against the field. That said, I'll reiterate yet again, acknowledging that he isn't leaving until his contract is up isn't fear or homerism or any of how you like to characterize it. Again, it's what we have. In any case, we pretty much are at a standstill and have a good idea of where the other sits. No need to make others read more knocking of heads posts. Thanks for your take on things.
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Post by eagle54 on Apr 8, 2016 21:58:01 GMT -5
I'll say this. I really do like JTIII as a man and respect him as a great guy and family person. I also think he's a great influence on the players as his father was. Since we are in the offseason, I'm willing to see what happens with this upcoming season which should be a tremendously talented group coming back that just needs to be coached.
I really don't root for III to lose his job just can't stand the results we've had and no one seems to hold anyone accountable other than to say we can do no better.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 8, 2016 22:42:04 GMT -5
I'll say this. I really do like JTIII as a man and respect him as a great guy and family person. I also think he's a great influence on the players as his father was. Since we are in the offseason, I'm willing to see what happens with this upcoming season which should be a tremendously talented group coming back that just needs to be coached. I really don't root for III to lose his job just can't stand the results we've had and no one seems to hold anyone accountable other than to say we can do no better. I don't disagree with any of this.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 8, 2016 22:56:06 GMT -5
I'll say this. I really do like JTIII as a man and respect him as a great guy and family person. I also think he's a great influence on the players as his father was. Since we are in the offseason, I'm willing to see what happens with this upcoming season which should be a tremendously talented group coming back that just needs to be coached. I really don't root for III to lose his job just can't stand the results we've had and no one seems to hold anyone accountable other than to say we can do no better. I don't disagree with any of this. I concur. III does almost all the great things when it comes to having his players represent the university well off the court. So well in fact you couldn't blame people for wanting him to keep the job as head GU coach for 20 years or more even if his teams performed just averagely in the NCAA tourney. But the increasingly disappointing oncourt performances can't be ignored. Except....that they are too often ignored by a fanbase that comes across as resigned at times, an administration that from appearances doesn't feel the slightest need or motive to change and a media that doesn't care enough to put any heat on the program. Not a good mix.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 7:12:15 GMT -5
I don't disagree with any of this. I concur. III does almost all the great things when it comes to having his players represent the university well off the court. So well in fact you couldn't blame people for wanting him to keep the job as head GU coach for 20 years or more even if his teams performed just averagely in the NCAA tourney. But the increasingly disappointing oncourt performances can't be ignored. Except....that they are too often ignored by a fanbase that comes across as resigned at times, an administration that from appearances doesn't feel the slightest need or motive to change and a media that doesn't care enough to put any heat on the program. Not a good mix. Not a fan of magnanimity? You need another 125 pages on this?
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Post by AltoSaxa on Apr 9, 2016 9:02:09 GMT -5
It must be difficult for him to know that many feel his job security is not based on success or failure rather the nepotism that played a role in his hire. Legacy can be a blessing but it also can be a curse. I am rooting for the guy. He strikes me as insightful enough to capitalize on the recent failures and change the trajectory of the program.
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Post by michaelgrahamfan on Apr 9, 2016 10:36:29 GMT -5
Fingers crossed
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Post by kchoya on Apr 9, 2016 10:39:51 GMT -5
It must be difficult for him to know that many feel his job security is not based on success or failure rather the nepotism that played a role in his hire. Legacy can be a blessing but it also can be a curse. I am rooting for the guy. He strikes me as insightful enough to capitalize on the recent failures and change the trajectory of the program. I'm sure it's not difficult at all, and the premise of your first sentence is completely wrong. Try again.
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Post by AltoSaxa on Apr 9, 2016 17:40:38 GMT -5
It must be difficult for him to know that many feel his job security is not based on success or failure rather the nepotism that played a role in his hire. Legacy can be a blessing but it also can be a curse. I am rooting for the guy. He strikes me as insightful enough to capitalize on the recent failures and change the trajectory of the program. I'm sure it's not difficult at all, and the premise of your first sentence is completely wrong. Try again. In your feeble opinion my narcissistic contrarian (diagnosis reconfirmed). It is apparent that your disinhibition effect dependency and your perceptual distortions preclude you from orginial thought ... perhaps a lawyer? I like your posts but the feebleness they speak of do tug at my heart strings. All is good. I want you to know you are very important. Here is hoping that JTIII succeeds.
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