jwp91
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Post by jwp91 on Jan 3, 2016 14:51:59 GMT -5
I definitely like what I am seeing from Kaleb!
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 3, 2016 15:13:44 GMT -5
There was a sequence in the first half that gave a glimpse into what Kaleb can potentially bring to this team. Off a missed shot by Marquette he flew into the lane and grabbed a rebound. He made the outlet pass to start the break which resulted in a missed 3 by Cameron. Kaleb sprinted the floor and crashed the glass to get the offensive board and put back. Marquette promptly called TO. Kid hasn't even scratched the surface yet. Give him more minutes. Exactly, and the person he was referring to the most was Copeland. The young man has enormous talent and his potential to be the next Otto Porter will not be reached until he decides to do those little things like crash the boards and move his feet on defense. KJ is doing those little things now and probably will be rewarded with more minutes at small forward. Agree with the free fhrow comment also, motion looks more like a sling than a shot at this point. Alot of times that's personality though and that doesn't really change. You look at Otto and he was a monster on the boards since high school. 35 rebounds in the state championship game. He had that hustle and radar for the ball in high school, freshman year, soph year, in the NBA. Copeland also doesn't have elite wingspan either so that hurts him as well in the rebounding category. Denis Rodman at 6-8 supposedly had a wingspan between 7-2 to 7-4.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jan 3, 2016 19:20:30 GMT -5
I just don't want to see Kaleb get 5 minutes next game. If a kid is delivering, he is EARNING more minutes. A kid who plays that well, with that much energy and who delivers results DESERVES to get AT LEAST equal minutes the next game, if not more.
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 3, 2016 19:53:53 GMT -5
Offensively I see Kaleb ultimately becoming a clone of L.J. with lot of penetrating but a mediocre outside shot.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Jan 4, 2016 3:21:15 GMT -5
I personally think the kid should be starting at the two, especially if we are making LJ our sixth man.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 4, 2016 9:25:15 GMT -5
I personally think the kid should be starting at the two, especially if we are making LJ our sixth man. Agreed, Tre isn't providing much at this point, I think it sends the best message to the team to have the guys playing best get the most playing time.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Jan 4, 2016 9:56:27 GMT -5
I personally think the kid should be starting at the two, especially if we are making LJ our sixth man. Agreed, Tre isn't providing much at this point, I think it sends the best message to the team to have the guys playing best get the most playing time. He'll clearly get more time if he keeps playing that way. III's comments make that clear. The issue with Campbell is a tough one. If he is playing well, he gives us a very important dynamic in terms of our ability to keep DSR off-the-ball, a good open outside shooter, and the ability to push pace. So, I don't think it's crazy to keep starting him, seeing what he gives you, and then making a move quickly if it isn't working.
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Post by michaeldm9 on Jan 4, 2016 12:46:13 GMT -5
Will Kaleb get better. I hope that he is not another Nate and Jabril. Both of those guys had nice freshman years, very High Motor a lots of potential. Suspect offensive game(which never really got better). Please Kaleb work on the out side shot. It doesn't have to be the 3Ptr. With his height he can be very effective with a mid-range game.
But keeping with the the them of this thread. He is doing a hell of a job for his freshman year. Will get more minutes as the year goes on. Very nice recruiting class.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Jan 4, 2016 13:16:33 GMT -5
Will Kaleb get better. I hope that he is not another Nate and Jabril. Both of those guys had nice freshman years, very High Motor a lots of potential. Suspect offensive game(which never really got better). Please Kaleb work on the out side shot. It doesn't have to be the 3Ptr. With his height he can be very effective with a mid-range game. But keeping with the the them of this thread. He is doing a hell of a job for his freshman year. Will get more minutes as the year goes on. Very nice recruiting class. You really don't think Jabril got any better? I do. Quite a bit better. If Kaleb's career trajectory follows Jabril's I'd be satisfied. Though I do think Kaleb has a higher ceiling. Hopefully he reaches it.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jan 4, 2016 13:26:17 GMT -5
Jabril drastically improved his 3pt shooting. I think Kaleb will be really good. Great motor, keeps plays alive and if he can hit some of those floaters, he'll be set. I think the issue with him and to a lesser extent Tre Campbell is one of volume. They don't get up a lot of shots and if the first one is a miss, that might rock their confidence a bit more then someone like DSR.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 4, 2016 13:48:24 GMT -5
Will Kaleb get better. I hope that he is not another Nate and Jabril. Both of those guys had nice freshman years, very High Motor a lots of potential. Suspect offensive game(which never really got better). Please Kaleb work on the out side shot. It doesn't have to be the 3Ptr. With his height he can be very effective with a mid-range game. But keeping with the the them of this thread. He is doing a hell of a job for his freshman year. Will get more minutes as the year goes on. Very nice recruiting class. You really don't think Jabril got any better? I do. Quite a bit better. If Kaleb's career trajectory follows Jabril's I'd be satisfied. Though I do think Kaleb has a higher ceiling. Hopefully he reaches it. Agree - Kaleb has a higher ceiling. I think his handle is better than freshman Jabril. But his shot ... especially watching FTs ... there's so much Bowen in it that I worry it needs to be reworked to be any good. I hope I am wrong on that -- certainly not a professional shot doctor but some of it is so awkward you wonder if he can get consistency out of his mechanics. I think he's ahead of Jabril as a freshman and has higher potential. But Jabril had some pretty strong work ethic -- let's hope Kaleb does as well.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 4, 2016 15:42:32 GMT -5
Trawick got significantly better while at Georgetown, as most of JT3's guards have done.
2015: 109.5 O rating, 57.5 eFG%, 17.3 ARate, 40.7 three point % 2014: 110.2 O rating, 56.6 eFG%, 13.1 ARate, 31.2 three point % (in the conference season, his three point percentage was 42.9%) 2013: 95.8 O rating, 47.6 eFG%, 14.7 ARate, 29.9 three point % 2012: 106.6 O rating, 44.0 eFG%, 9.1 ARate, 24.0 three point %
I have no doubt Kaleb Johnson will improve with more play, as well.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 4, 2016 16:19:55 GMT -5
You really don't think Jabril got any better? I do. Quite a bit better. If Kaleb's career trajectory follows Jabril's I'd be satisfied. Though I do think Kaleb has a higher ceiling. Hopefully he reaches it. Agree - Kaleb has a higher ceiling. I think his handle is better than freshman Jabril. But his shot ... especially watching FTs ... there's so much Bowen in it that I worry it needs to be reworked to be any good. I hope I am wrong on that -- certainly not a professional shot doctor but some of it is so awkward you wonder if he can get consistency out of his mechanics. I think he's ahead of Jabril as a freshman and has higher potential. But Jabril had some pretty strong work ethic -- let's hope Kaleb does as well. I don't think it's awkward at all. He has a shooter's touch. A little bit flat and could use some more arc but rolls smoothly off his fingers and his mechanics are consistent and involve few variables. Fundamentally it's sound. Someone without sound fundamentals is not going to switch a half court shot. Bowen's mechanics and shot were all over the place.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 4, 2016 16:53:20 GMT -5
His shot already is better than Bowen's was all but perhaps toward the end of his senior year.
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Post by michaeldm9 on Jan 4, 2016 18:23:37 GMT -5
Will Kaleb get better. I hope that he is not another Nate and Jabril. Both of those guys had nice freshman years, very High Motor a lots of potential. Suspect offensive game(which never really got better). Please Kaleb work on the out side shot. It doesn't have to be the 3Ptr. With his height he can be very effective with a mid-range game. But keeping with the the them of this thread. He is doing a hell of a job for his freshman year. Will get more minutes as the year goes on. Very nice recruiting class. You really don't think Jabril got any better? I do. Quite a bit better. If Kaleb's career trajectory follows Jabril's I'd be satisfied. Though I do think Kaleb has a higher ceiling. Hopefully he reaches it. Yes. Jabril got better. But I think he had the raw tools to be an NBA player. When I mean better, I mean All Big-East, Hon Men All American better. Nate could rebound and finish like know body business. If he worked on his offensive game he too had NBA raw talent. My biggest point is I hope Kaleb doesn't stay a one trick pony. Better I am speaking of is Charles Smith. I am an old dog. Few may remember or even know Charles Smith and the improvement he made over his career. He came to the program as a guy strictly for defense. Well check the stats.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 4, 2016 18:33:42 GMT -5
You really don't think Jabril got any better? I do. Quite a bit better. If Kaleb's career trajectory follows Jabril's I'd be satisfied. Though I do think Kaleb has a higher ceiling. Hopefully he reaches it. Yes. Jabril got better. But I think he had the raw tools to be an NBA player. When I mean better, I mean All Big-East, Hon Men All American better. Nate could rebound and finish like know body business. If he worked on his offensive game he too had NBA raw talent. My biggest point is I hope Kaleb doesn't stay a one trick pony. Better I am speaking of is Charles Smith. I am an old dog. Few may remember or even know Charles Smith and the improvement he made over his career. He came to the program as a guy strictly for defense. Well check the stats. The thing is, raw tools don't get people to the NBA unless you are a ridiculous athlete (and even then it's no sure thing - the basketball world is littered with athletic top lottery picks who never amounted to much). Elite skill is really what is crucial and that's where I think Trawick came up short. I just think it's easy to criticize and say that someone didn't make the NBA because he didn't work on his offensive game enough, etc. Like Lubick. I appreciated Lubick's game, but there was nothing NBA about him, no matter how much he worked.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 4, 2016 20:51:56 GMT -5
Charles Smith is my favorite Hoya ever, and it is true that he made the NBA, albeit without being drafted, despite having amazing physical gifts. Still, he had pretty darn good quickness, was incredibly fluid with and without the ball, and had a ton of game. He is the exception rather than the rule.
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 5, 2016 11:09:35 GMT -5
EAT MORE S and B donuts go kaleb go south hilly tough STOP THAT THREE steal that ball and NOSE for the ball on rebbies BIG GAME needed by all especialy south HILLY TOUGH
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 5, 2016 23:59:51 GMT -5
Will Kaleb get better. I hope that he is not another Nate and Jabril. Both of those guys had nice freshman years, very High Motor a lots of potential. Suspect offensive game(which never really got better). Please Kaleb work on the out side shot. It doesn't have to be the 3Ptr. With his height he can be very effective with a mid-range game. But keeping with the the them of this thread. He is doing a hell of a job for his freshman year. Will get more minutes as the year goes on. Very nice recruiting class. This a joke about Jabril, right?
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 7, 2016 21:15:08 GMT -5
Kaleb not great shooter but will work hard to improve that GREAT D AND GREAT NOSE FOR THE BALL ON REBBIES> yup he needs a great game and time on sat for us to win or>>>>>>>>>>
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