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Post by EtomicB on Oct 23, 2015 17:39:48 GMT -5
What's your gut say on him being a Hoya Yaboy? I know I'm not YaBoy but I'll give my 2 cents. No thanks on Norvell, I'll pass. I would rather the staff use the scholarship on someone else like Kobie Eubanks, or hold the scholarship for 5th year free agent or 2017 guard like Blake Harris or Devontae Shuler. I'm not a fan of Zach Norvell's game. IMO, he is an overrated prospect. He is not a very good athlete. He lacks any quickness, north, south or laterally. He is a very overrated shooter and has awful measurables. I know my opinion might not be popular here, but I don't see Norvell being a consistent contributor for the Hoyas until possibly his junior year. To me Norvell is a Mid Major prospect who has High Major offers because the 2016 class isn't very deep in overall talent especially at the SG position. If I was him, I would go to Gonzaga where he will play at a High Major program that plays in a low to Mid Major Conference. There he would get to play 21 games a year against lesser overall talent and possibly a chance to crack their line up earlier then if he came to Georgetown or Florida St that has a ton of guards and has been recruiting at a higher level the last couple years. Iowa State could be a possibility because it's a new staff and their is no proof that they will continue to recruit or get transfers at the same level that Hoiberg did. I would take Eubanks also but we all know there's nothing guaranteed there, the same goes for a 5th year kid or Harris or Shuler.. If Norvell wants to join the program(not likely in my pessimistic view) the staff would be crazy to turn him away.. I also think you're being too hard on him, he's definitely a HM kid.. I didn't like his summer stats either and he wasn't my favorite player but he'd contribute @ G'town early imo.. He's not elite athletically but he's much more solid than you make him out to be and I wouldn't trust the specs from NBA draft-express that says he has a 6'-2" wingspan either, he definitely looks longer than that.. The kid looks to have good BB instincts as well.. There are write ups similar to this on both rivals & Scout.. future150.com/hs/basketball-profiles/zachary-norvell-jr-sg-2016future150.com/hs/basketball-news/cancer-research-classic-saturdays-notable-playersIn an absolute dismantling of Bishop Gorman, the junior did a little bit of everything offensively, and when it mattered most, as 18 of his 22 points came in the first three quarters that saw Simeon build up a 54-36 lead. Norvell was especially proficient from beyond the arc, hitting 5-of-7 triples and stretching out Gorman’s two top-ten big men in Stephen Zimmerman and Chase Jeter. He also played a very key role defensively, locking down the Gaels’ guards with five steals.
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Post by prhoya on Oct 24, 2015 1:08:31 GMT -5
No thanks on Norvell, I'll pass... I'm not a fan of Zach Norvell's game. IMO, he is an overrated prospect. He is not a very good athlete. He lacks any quickness, north, south or laterally. He is a very overrated shooter and has awful measurables. I know my opinion might not be popular here, but I don't see Norvell being a consistent contributor for the Hoyas until possibly his junior year. Sounds to me a lot like what was said of DSR coming out of high school. H4E, were you a fan of DSR's game? Did you consider him overrated as a recruit? Not calling you out, but pls give your honest opinion.
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Post by hoyazeke on Oct 24, 2015 8:06:34 GMT -5
I'm not the biggest fan of Norvell's shot mechanics either but at 6'3" his shot can be a little low and be effective. I would take Norvell because it helps to establish a pipeline through ChiTown and the kid plays with a toughness....Looking at his list I feel confident if the staff wants him and he wants his parents to see his games. I would think it comes down to us and ISU if his family seeing him play is important.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 24, 2015 10:38:30 GMT -5
No thanks on Norvell, I'll pass... I'm not a fan of Zach Norvell's game. IMO, he is an overrated prospect. He is not a very good athlete. He lacks any quickness, north, south or laterally. He is a very overrated shooter and has awful measurables. I know my opinion might not be popular here, but I don't see Norvell being a consistent contributor for the Hoyas until possibly his junior year. Sounds to me a lot like what was said of DSR coming out of high school. H4E, were you a fan of DSR's game? Did you consider him overrated as a recruit? Not calling you out, but pls give your honest opinion. Actually I was a big fan of DSR's. I loved his shot mechanics and consistency. I loved his passion and the confidence that he played with when he was in high school. I had some concerns about his defense. The same concerns I have about all incoming college freshman which is the learning curve that every college freshman has but his ability to put the ball in the hoop consistently out weighed those concerns. Also DSR's measurables in terms of reach were better then Norvell's coming into college. I have watched a lot of Norvell's available games online and from what I've seen, he is inconsistent in many aspects of what are suppose to be his strengths. Very inconsistent/streaky shooter and I don't see him getting by many people in the BE off the bounce. He could develop into an offensive threat against a zone. I see a lot more Reggie Cameron in his game. I say that believing that Cameron will have a solid impact this season. That's why I previously stated that I don't see Norvell making an impact until his Junior year. In the last 2 classes, we have recruited more all around offensively skilled players and have avoided the one dimensional prospects that diminish the effectiveness of JT3's Georgetown offense. It's because of the versatility of the last 2 classes that has many of us on here that are giddy with excitement for the upcoming season. I think we need to continue recruiting skilled and versatile prospects like a Jagan Mosely who I am sky high on and believe we got a steal. I think Jagan has a chance to be a great Hoya. The more I watched Jagan, the less concern or interest in Woods recruitment I have. I am so high on Mosely as the future PG, that I don't concern myself with Woods (who I am pretty sure isn't coming to Georgetown anyways). Look I could be absolutely wrong about Norvell. You never know with these prospects, he could become a very good college basketball player but he hasn't demonstrated that ability on a consistent basis as of yet. There is a reason that most of his High Major offers including Georgetown didn't come until this pass August despite playing at a National Powerhouse high school such as Simeon and playing for one of the best Nike EYBL Programs in the Mac Irving Fire.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2015 10:41:05 GMT -5
No thanks on Norvell, I'll pass... I'm not a fan of Zach Norvell's game. IMO, he is an overrated prospect. He is not a very good athlete. He lacks any quickness, north, south or laterally. He is a very overrated shooter and has awful measurables. I know my opinion might not be popular here, but I don't see Norvell being a consistent contributor for the Hoyas until possibly his junior year. Sounds to me a lot like what was said of DSR coming out of high school. H4E, were you a fan of DSR's game? Did you consider him overrated as a recruit? Not calling you out, but pls give your honest opinion. Difference is DSR was an excellent shooter who had done it at every level. He put up huge numbers in HS season and AAU and shot very good percentages. Norvell does not have that track record. I fall more on H4E's side of this but I go back and forth a bit because He's a quality kid who does things the right way. I Really like his makeup but a lot of his success will be determined by his shot and it has been really streaky...
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 24, 2015 10:53:51 GMT -5
I'm not the biggest fan of Norvell's shot mechanics either but at 6'3" his shot can be a little low and be effective. I would take Norvell because it helps to establish a pipeline through ChiTown and the kid plays with a toughness....Looking at his list I feel confident if the staff wants him and he wants his parents to see his games. I would think it comes down to us and ISU if his family seeing him play is important. We have Paul White (from Chicago/Mac Irvin program) who's game I love on the roster already and we have Coach Hardy from Illinois who has very strong recruiting ties in that area of the country. Taking Norvell doesn't help in anyway in furthering a relationship that is already well established. You take Norvell only if you believe he can help you win a Conference/National Championship.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 24, 2015 12:08:43 GMT -5
I know I'm not YaBoy but I'll give my 2 cents. No thanks on Norvell, I'll pass. I would rather the staff use the scholarship on someone else like Kobie Eubanks, or hold the scholarship for 5th year freep agent or 2017 guard like Blake Harris or Devontae Shuler. I'm not a fan of Zach Norvell's game. IMO, he is an overrated prospect. He is not a very good athlete. He lacks any quickness, north, south or laterally. He is a very overrated shooter and has awful measurables. I know my opinion might not be popular here, but I don't see Norvell being a consistent contributor for the Hoyas until possibly his junior year. To me Norvell is a Mid Major prospect who has High Major offers because the 2016 class isn't very deep in overall talent especially at the SG position. If I was him, I would go to Gonzaga where he will play at a High Major program that plays in a low to Mid Major Conference. There he would get to play 21 games a year against lesser overall talent and possibly a chance to crack their line up earlier then if he came to Georgetown or Florida St that has a ton of guards and has been recruiting at a higher level the last couple years. Iowa State could be a possibility because it's a new staff and their is no proof that they will continue to recruit or get transfers at the same level that Hoiberg did. I would take Eubanks also but we all know there's nothing guaranteed there, the same goes for a 5th year kid or Harris or Shuler.. If Norvell wants to join the program(not likely in my pessimistic view) the staff would be crazy to turn him away.. I also think you're being too hard on him, he's definitely a HM kid.. I didn't like his summer stats either and he wasn't my favorite player but he'd contribute @ G'town early imo.. He's not elite athletically but he's much more solid than you make him out to be and I wouldn't trust the specs from NBA draft-express that says he has a 6'-2" wingspan either, he definitely looks longer than that.. The kid looks to have good BB instincts as well.. There are write ups similar to this on both rivals & Scout.. future150.com/hs/basketball-profiles/zachary-norvell-jr-sg-2016future150.com/hs/basketball-news/cancer-research-classic-saturdays-notable-playersIn an absolute dismantling of Bishop Gorman, the junior did a little bit of everything offensively, and when it mattered most, as 18 of his 22 points came in the first three quarters that saw Simeon build up a 54-36 lead. Norvell was especially proficient from beyond the arc, hitting 5-of-7 triples and stretching out Gorman’s two top-ten big men in Stephen Zimmerman and Chase Jeter. He also played a very key role defensively, locking down the Gaels’ guards with five steals.Etomic, I'm not saying the Norvell can't play. I think he can be a good fit somewhere and I'm sure he is a quality kid. I'm looking at the level of talent of the last 2 classes and the future addition of Mosely who I think has the potential to be a stud, I feel like Norvell would be a step back recruiting wise. We have been bringing in prospects who can get minutes right away as freshman. Outside of injury or academic issue, I don't see Norvell having that ability with the possible roster we will have next year. Even if Peak and Copeland left early for the Association I still don't think Norvell is skilled or athletic enough to get any consistent minutes as a freshman. I had previously read his the write up of Norvell's accomplishments against Bishop Gorman and TBH with you that did little to impress me. Bishop Gorman was the most overrated, under achieving high school team maybe in the country. Chase Jeter and Stephen Zimmerman in my opinion were two softest bigs in the country. I wasn't a fan of either of their games. I watched Ivan Rabb play them during their 11th grade season and once during their senior year. Both times Rabb absolotely demolished them both. Bishop Gorman had 2 top 10 players and a few other top 50/100 guys in their respective classes. Probably more highly ranked talent then anybody in the country and they would get beaten by teams with a lot less overall talent like Simeon and Ivan Rabb's Bishop O'Dowd. Maybe that says more about the coaching at Bishop Gorman or it says that Zimmerman and Jeter weren't coachable, I'm not sure. All I can say, I wasn't a fan of either of Zimmerman and Jeter's games. I think Govan is just as skilled and has more upside then both of them.
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Post by bicentennial on Oct 24, 2015 12:49:09 GMT -5
I agree that Simeon is and has been a well coached program and their teams often win big games against top competition. I am not sure you can say that 2 years ago Bishop Gorman had more talent than Simeon. 3 years ago LJ peak played for Simeon and 3 and 2 years ago Paul White played for Simeon. So did one of the top draft picks in last year's draft(hint he went to Duke). I have no idea how good Bishop Gorman's players were last year but I suspect much as Simeon has some of the top Chicago players every year, Bishop Gorman has some of the top Las Vegas players.
To me it would make sense to recruit Chicago as every year since we will now be playing 3 games within driving distance of the city. There is no dominant feeder school that always wins recruiting battles for stars from this large city and like most of the largest cities there is plenty of basketball talent. Many of the city's best and brightest players have ended up far away for their college ball.
As we have seen many times before, some players excel in our system and others do not. Our coaches are in the best position to determine if an offer should be extended. As far back as I can remember (early 80's), the players who have been offered and have attended Georgetown have been excellent choices who continue to reflect well on our university. Even the players who left the university have been of generally high caliber.
I believe there is more and more risk that strong opinions on blogs, message boards and other internet contact can get back to prospects. It seems in 2015 that every high school student looks at a screen more often than they make eye contact with their friends and peers in the same room. If Coach Hardy and JTIII believe Zach Norvell should have an offer then I am sure they believe he has the potential to contribute to the team and not just in the distant future. While Zach Norvell may be inconsistent as a Junior in High School, the ability to go off against some of the best Juniors and Seniors in Vegas certainly says something positive.
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Post by hoyaboya on Oct 24, 2015 13:38:15 GMT -5
I agree that Simeon is and has been a well coached program and their teams often win big games against top competition. I am not sure you can say that 2 years ago Bishop Gorman had more talent than Simeon. 3 years ago LJ peak played for Simeon and 3 and 2 years ago Paul White played for Simeon. So did one of the top draft picks in last year's draft(hint he went to Duke). I have no idea how good Bishop Gorman's players were last year but I suspect much as Simeon has some of the top Chicago players every year, Bishop Gorman has some of the top Las Vegas players. To me it would make sense to recruit Chicago as every year since we will now be playing 3 games within driving distance of the city. There is no dominant feeder school that always wins recruiting battles for stars from this large city and like most of the largest cities there is plenty of basketball talent. Many of the city's best and brightest players have ended up far away for their college ball. As we have seen many times before, some players excel in our system and others do not. Our coaches are in the best position to determine if an offer should be extended. As far back as I can remember (early 80's), the players who have been offered and have attended Georgetown have been excellent choices who continue to reflect well on our university. Even the players who left the university have been of generally high caliber. I believe there is more and more risk that strong opinions on blogs, message boards and other internet contact can get back to prospects. It seems in 2015 that every high school student looks at a screen more often than they make eye contact with their friends and peers in the same room. If Coach Hardy and JTIII believe Zach Norvell should have an offer then I am sure they believe he has the potential to contribute to the team and not just in the distant future. While Zach Norvell may be inconsistent as a Junior in High School, the ability to go off against some of the best Juniors and Seniors in Vegas certainly says something positive. Peak and White played at Whitney Young, along with Jalil Okafor. They didn't play for Simeon. Simeon has had Jabari Parker and Derrick Rose among others.
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Post by bicentennial on Oct 24, 2015 15:21:02 GMT -5
My bad!
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Post by hoyazeke on Oct 24, 2015 15:50:18 GMT -5
I'm not the biggest fan of Norvell's shot mechanics either but at 6'3" his shot can be a little low and be effective. I would take Norvell because it helps to establish a pipeline through ChiTown and the kid plays with a toughness....Looking at his list I feel confident if the staff wants him and he wants his parents to see his games. I would think it comes down to us and ISU if his family seeing him play is important. We have Paul White (from Chicago/Mac Irvin program) who's game I love on the roster already and we have Coach Hardy from Illinois who has very strong recruiting ties in that area of the country. Taking Norvell doesn't help in anyway in furthering a relationship that is already well established. You take Norvell only if you believe he can help you win a Conference/National Championship. So one kid from a city establishes a pipeline? Even with Hardy's strong recruiting ties in Chicago it has only added 1 recruit and not many hopefuls. Maybe I should have used the term "maintain" instead of establish but to me the pipeline is closed if no one is going through it............
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 24, 2015 16:32:53 GMT -5
We have Paul White (from Chicago/Mac Irvin program) who's game I love on the roster already and we have Coach Hardy from Illinois who has very strong recruiting ties in that area of the country. Taking Norvell doesn't help in anyway in furthering a relationship that is already well established. You take Norvell only if you believe he can help you win a Conference/National Championship. So one kid from a city establishes a pipeline? Even with Hardy's strong recruiting ties in Chicago it has only added 1 recruit and not many hopefuls. Maybe I should have used the term "maintain" instead of establish but to me the pipeline is closed if no one is going through it............ We don't have to get a kid from Chicago every year especially in a down year in terms of overall talent in the Chi. The last few years the top 50 list of players was filled with with kids from the city of Chicago or the state of Illinois. From Jabari Parker, Okafor, PW, Charles Matthews, Tyler Ulis, Cliff Alexander and Jalen Brunson just to name a few. I didn't include Peak because he is from S. Carolina. This year Norvell (a questionable top 100 prospect) is considered the best prospect in the in Chicago. If he was in the last 2 classes (2014 or 2015), he would be looked at as a borderline 150 kid. Recruiting is cyclical and this is a down year in terms of talent in Illinois. The 2017 class is already better then the 2016 class in the city. There are probably 10 prospects in the 2017 class that are all ready better than Norvell in Chicago. IMO, we have already recruited over Norvell (if he was to commit to us) with Tyler Foster.
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 25, 2015 10:46:09 GMT -5
I would take Eubanks also but we all know there's nothing guaranteed there, the same goes for a 5th year kid or Harris or Shuler.. If Norvell wants to join the program(not likely in my pessimistic view) the staff would be crazy to turn him away.. I also think you're being too hard on him, he's definitely a HM kid.. I didn't like his summer stats either and he wasn't my favorite player but he'd contribute @ G'town early imo.. He's not elite athletically but he's much more solid than you make him out to be and I wouldn't trust the specs from NBA draft-express that says he has a 6'-2" wingspan either, he definitely looks longer than that.. The kid looks to have good BB instincts as well.. There are write ups similar to this on both rivals & Scout.. future150.com/hs/basketball-profiles/zachary-norvell-jr-sg-2016future150.com/hs/basketball-news/cancer-research-classic-saturdays-notable-playersIn an absolute dismantling of Bishop Gorman, the junior did a little bit of everything offensively, and when it mattered most, as 18 of his 22 points came in the first three quarters that saw Simeon build up a 54-36 lead. Norvell was especially proficient from beyond the arc, hitting 5-of-7 triples and stretching out Gorman’s two top-ten big men in Stephen Zimmerman and Chase Jeter. He also played a very key role defensively, locking down the Gaels’ guards with five steals.Etomic, I'm not saying the Norvell can't play. I think he can be a good fit somewhere and I'm sure he is a quality kid. I'm looking at the level of talent of the last 2 classes and the future addition of Mosely who I think has the potential to be a stud, I feel like Norvell would be a step back recruiting wise. We have been bringing in prospects who can get minutes right away as freshman. Outside of injury or academic issue, I don't see Norvell having that ability with the possible roster we will have next year. Even if Peak and Copeland left early for the Association I still don't think Norvell is skilled or athletic enough to get any consistent minutes as a freshman. To me he can & would fit in well @ G'town.. Again he wasn't my top choice of the targets that the staff was on but imo he can play at the BE level, he also fits the interchangeable type of player the staff has been on lately.. Plus the kid does have skills, he's a good passer, handles pretty well & rebounds well also.. Even if I were to agree with your views on him, how bad can it be to have a kid like Norvell be the team's 11th or 12th man? That would be a stacked roster..
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 27, 2015 16:19:56 GMT -5
Take it FWIW..
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Post by daymondmyles on Oct 27, 2015 17:51:33 GMT -5
Bossi from rivals thinks that too. That's fine. Let's get Eubanks and move on to 2017.
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Post by trillesthoya on Nov 1, 2015 19:34:45 GMT -5
Just announced via twitter that he'll be committing sometime tomorrow morning between us, Gonzaga, Flordia State, and Iowa State.
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Post by Talos on Nov 2, 2015 9:12:42 GMT -5
Just announced via twitter that he'll be committing sometime tomorrow morning between us, Gonzaga, Flordia State, and Iowa State. Interesting. The short lead time between announcing and lack of publicity is usually a good sign for us. But it also seems we're putting the full court press on Eubanks, which suggests we might not be in on Norvell. I wouldn't think we'd take Eubanks, and then another guard for 2016 with both Mosely and Foster committed. Well, I guess we'll find out soon.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Nov 2, 2015 10:27:55 GMT -5
Room for both, if they want it, I suspect. Especially now that Brown, Woods, and Jones all seemed to have either moved on or are long shots.
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Post by TC on Nov 2, 2015 11:44:27 GMT -5
Will this involve hats on a table or emojis in a tweet?
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