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Post by bmartin on Apr 5, 2015 22:18:29 GMT -5
Who are you talking to? Not me. Your opinion has no fact either. It's just an attack on someone who has a different opinion from yours. Being selected as the pre-season POY does not mean DSR will be drafted into the NBA or will become a good NBA player. As you can see, he was not selected as POY at the end of the season, based on his performance. Pre-season selections are just a guess of what might happen. Again, grow up, stop making personal attacks on other posters. We have a right to our opinion too! Right, other posters? The part of your "opinion" that everyone rejected is your claim that DSR was not a good college player and not a good shooter, yet now you are pretending that people are arguing that he will be an NBA player. The facts that DSR was a good college player and is a good shooter are indisputable by any metric.
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Post by bowhoya on Apr 6, 2015 8:04:19 GMT -5
I did not say that DSR was not a good college player, I just said that he was not good enough player to be leaving school early and entering the draft. You will see that I'm right when the draft takes place in June. He will be passed over. I do wish for the best for him, as I do for any Georgetown player.
Don't be blinded by you love for a GU player.
Also, every poster have a right to his/her opinion, as you have a right to your opinion. I'm just saying stop the personal attacks, just because an opinion may differ from your opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2015 8:13:36 GMT -5
C'mon man.
"In my opinion, DSR is not that good of player, even on the college level. He was not that great of a shooter, especially during critical times of the game."
We all know what DSR is. The only thing that's going to really rile anybody up around here is when somebody says something like this.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 6, 2015 8:18:40 GMT -5
I did not say that DSR was not a good college player, I just said that he was not good enough player to be leaving school early and entering the draft. You will see that I'm right when the draft takes place in June. He will be passed over. I do wish for the best for him, as I do for any Georgetown player. Don't be blinded by you love for a GU player. Also, every poster have a right to his/her opinion, as you have a right to your opinion. I'm just saying stop the personal attacks, just because an opinion may differ from your opinion. Why do you lie?
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Post by prhoya on Apr 6, 2015 8:24:33 GMT -5
I did not say that DSR was not a good college player, I just said that he was not good enough player to be leaving school early and entering the draft. Lol! Not what you wrote earlier... You're exposed. Try making your point with facts, data, etc...
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Post by Elvado on Apr 6, 2015 8:41:02 GMT -5
Having gotten over the "jilt" factor of DSR leaving when we could surely use his talents, I now see the wisdom of his move.
He will not get any taller in one more year at GU. He would however have to devote time to school that could best be served working on things he can improve upon as he sets his sights on the NBA.
He can get paid by someone to work on his game.
Assuming, and I have no reason not to, that he has been relatively diligent over 3 years plus summers, a degree down the line a la Jeff Green is eminently doable.
Good luck DSR.
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Post by seaweed on Apr 6, 2015 9:44:59 GMT -5
Assuming, and I have no reason not to, that he has been relatively diligent over 3 years plus summers, a degree down the line a la Jeff Green is eminently doable. Just want to point out that the student athlete who leaves has to fund his own return to GU out of his own funds - no more scholarship. Jeff and others have been able to use NBA millions for this, but if DSR is leaving in part to make some money/financial need, it seems less likely that he will have a spare $40k or so to finish out his education. We can all agree about things that make this move sensible from the perspective of DSR, but let's not pretend that he is leaving for financial hardship but will spend some of the small change he makes in Europe to come back and buy what he rejected when it was paid for. I will also point out that none of us know if DSR is on track or ahead of pace to get his degree - it is quite possible he is getting his degree in three years. Also, if he is ahead of track and only has to pay for a few spare credits, that could change things. But if he doesn't get rich, don't see how we could expect him to come back with cash in hand to buy a semester or two worth of GU.
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Post by Cambridge on Apr 6, 2015 9:47:14 GMT -5
Assuming, and I have no reason not to, that he has been relatively diligent over 3 years plus summers, a degree down the line a la Jeff Green is eminently doable. Just want to point out that the student athlete who leaves has to fund his own return to GU out of his own funds - no more scholarship. Jeff and others have been able to use NBA millions for this, but if DSR is leaving in part to make some money/financial need, it seems less likely that he will have a spare $40k or so to finish out his education. We can all agree about things that make this move sensible from the perspective of DSR, but let's not pretend that he is leaving for financial hardship but will spend some of the small change he makes in Europe to come back and buy what he rejected when it was paid for. I will also point out that none of us know if DSR is on track or ahead of pace to get his degree - it is quite possible he is getting his degree in three years. Also, if he is ahead of track and only has to pay for a few spare credits, that could change things. But if he doesn't get rich, don't see how we could expect him to come back with cash in hand to buy a semester or two worth of GU. Europe and China don't pay small change. The D-League does.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Apr 6, 2015 9:58:47 GMT -5
Assuming, and I have no reason not to, that he has been relatively diligent over 3 years plus summers, a degree down the line a la Jeff Green is eminently doable. Just want to point out that the student athlete who leaves has to fund his own return to GU out of his own funds - no more scholarship. Jeff and others have been able to use NBA millions for this, but if DSR is leaving in part to make some money/financial need, it seems less likely that he will have a spare $40k or so to finish out his education. We can all agree about things that make this move sensible from the perspective of DSR, but let's not pretend that he is leaving for financial hardship but will spend some of the small change he makes in Europe to come back and buy what he rejected when it was paid for. I will also point out that none of us know if DSR is on track or ahead of pace to get his degree - it is quite possible he is getting his degree in three years. Also, if he is ahead of track and only has to pay for a few spare credits, that could change things. But if he doesn't get rich, don't see how we could expect him to come back with cash in hand to buy a semester or two worth of GU. Obviously, the student is no longer "on scholarship" in the sense of being a counter for basketball purposes. But do we know that the school doesn't comp the additional credits or otherwise discount them? (I don't know if doing so is against the rules.) If it's permissible, I would certainly see a large PR benefit to doing it -- and probably a significant benefit in recruiting ("If you're good enough to leave early, we'll still take care of school....")
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Post by upstatesaxa on Apr 6, 2015 11:12:16 GMT -5
Braswell's Facebook post threw a lot of cold water on the idea of easy overseas riches. He excepted China, but the economy in China is on such shaky ground that its easy to imagine a pretty dramatic "correction" in Chinese pro salary levels (I wonder if anybody on this site has any kind of accurate idea what those are) akin to what happened in numerous industries here in and after 2008. Here's a question: what if he breaks a leg? Tears an ACL? Rips up his Achilles tendon? Then what? Sure it could have happened playing for the Hoyas, last year or next year. But then at least he'd have a degree. kchoya, I am the guy who introduced the term "racism" in this discussion, because I frankly think its problematical to view chasing a quick basketball buck overseas as the best a Hoya can aspire to, when there are so many questions about a player's suitability for that path.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 6, 2015 11:28:59 GMT -5
I did not say that DSR was not a good college player, I just said that he was not good enough player to be leaving school early and entering the draft. You will see that I'm right when the draft takes place in June. He will be passed over. I do wish for the best for him, as I do for any Georgetown player. Don't be blinded by you love for a GU player. Also, every poster have a right to his/her opinion, as you have a right to your opinion. I'm just saying stop the personal attacks, just because an opinion may differ from your opinion. So now that you have been reminded that you did say that DSR is "not that good of a player, even on a college level" - do you still claim that you never said it? It is that statement that other posters and I are lambasting. And being selected preseason POY is not just a "guess" - it is the opinion of the conference coaches, who know far far more about talent, potential, etc. than you and me, that a player is in fact a very good college player. It is not a guarantee that he will be POY at the end, of course, but to contend that it means nothing ignores reality.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 6, 2015 11:45:49 GMT -5
Braswell's Facebook post threw a lot of cold water on the idea of easy overseas riches. He excepted China, but the economy in China is on such shaky ground that its easy to imagine a pretty dramatic "correction" in Chinese pro salary levels (I wonder if anybody on this site has any kind of accurate idea what those are) akin to what happened in numerous industries here in and after 2008. Here's a question: what if he breaks a leg? Tears an ACL? Rips up his Achilles tendon? Then what? Sure it could have happened playing for the Hoyas, last year or next year. But then at least he'd have a degree. kchoya, I am the guy who introduced the term "racism" in this discussion, because I frankly think its problematical to view chasing a quick basketball buck overseas as the best a Hoya can aspire to, when there are so many questions about a player's suitability for that path. How does racism play any role in this discussion?
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Post by This Just In on Apr 6, 2015 12:04:01 GMT -5
I did not say that DSR was not a good college player, I just said that he was not good enough player to be leaving school early and entering the draft. You will see that I'm right when the draft takes place in June. He will be passed over. I do wish for the best for him, as I do for any Georgetown player. Don't be blinded by you love for a GU player. Also, every poster have a right to his/her opinion, as you have a right to your opinion. I'm just saying stop the personal attacks, just because an opinion may differ from your opinion. Do you think DSR can make it in China or Europe?
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 6, 2015 13:34:24 GMT -5
It's not that playing ball in China is the best job that DSR can get. It's that if he wants to play professional basketball -- for which there is a very small window of time for all people, for most the ages of 22-28 -- his best bet is to play abroad. Now, he will have to do something with his life after that, that is for sure, as even under the what is most likely the best case scenario he will retire before he is 30 from basketball. He will likely have to go back to school at some point, whether in the off-season or upon retirement, to obtain that degree. I could say, there seems to be some sort of racism in the assumption that he won't be mature or capable enough to do that after having earned some money doing what he loves for a few years. At the risk of ticking a bunch of you off, seems to me that there's a soft sort of racism in the assumption that playing in China is the best job DSR can aspire to. Ron Blaylock is on Wall Street, or was. The success stories of those guys who played for "Pops" (as somebody tagged him) are many. I think all have their degree. I don't get the "racism" angle in all of this. My reading of the issues raised above is: 1. The consensus is DSR is not likely to have an NBA future, in which case his pro hoops options would be limited to playing in China (or Europe). 2. Several posters suggested DSR won't return to get his degree years down the road. As for #1 This part of the discussion was limited to what we believe his professional basketball playing prospects are. For one thing, we don't know. Who here projected Jerrelle Benimon playing in the NBA? I didn't. Who knows what his chances are. But based on what we've seen of DSR as a college player and what seemingly all major scouting reports predict, he will not be an NBA Player. If that is how it plays out, his best prospects - as a professional basketball player - may be in China. What is "racist" about that? Nothing I read suggested that is the only job for which he would ever be qualified. It is the job he wants right now and why he is leaving school early. #2? Percentage-wise, not many early hoops departures return to get their degrees. I don't think that has anything to do with race either. I'll go out on a limb and Guess that less than 50% of all students who leave, return later and get their degrees. That includes those who return to school somewhere else. It happens, but it is less likely. I will also guess the longer one waits to return the less likely a degree is earned eventually. Again, I don't see any relationship to race. What am I missing? One more thing... there is nothing chiseled in stone that DSR can't get some other good job somewhere down the road without a degree. Yes, lots of Hoya Hoopsters have gotten degrees and went on to successful careers on Wall St. and elsewhere as were cited earlier. But maybe DSR could get a media job, an on-air commentator or color man. He might not need a degree for that either. Not to limit his career options - that's just one idea that does not necessitate a degree. Lastly, I hope things work out for him. I am disappointed I won't get to see him play his senior year for a promising GU team. He's had such a great career going for him his first three years. OK, I am entitled to be disappointed. Doesn't mean I can't also appreciate it is his choice, his career, and he is making what he believes in the best decision for him. I support his right to make that decision, even if I don't think it is the wisest. But I don't know his circumstances and I don't walk in his shoes. Good luck to DSR. If at some point in time he really wants a degree, he can earn it by returning to GU or to another institution that will accept the credits he has already earned. Wish him the best. He will be missed.
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Post by beenaround on Apr 6, 2015 14:04:21 GMT -5
It's not that playing ball in China is the best job that DSR can get. It's that if he wants to play professional basketball -- for which there is a very small window of time for all people, for most the ages of 22-28 -- his best bet is to play abroad. Now, he will have to do something with his life after that, that is for sure, as even under the what is most likely the best case scenario he will retire before he is 30 from basketball. He will likely have to go back to school at some point, whether in the off-season or upon retirement, to obtain that degree. I could say, there seems to be some sort of racism in the assumption that he won't be mature or capable enough to do that after having earned some money doing what he loves for a few years. At the risk of ticking a bunch of you off, seems to me that there's a soft sort of racism in the assumption that playing in China is the best job DSR can aspire to. Ron Blaylock is on Wall Street, or was. The success stories of those guys who played for "Pops" (as somebody tagged him) are many. I think all have their degree. I don't get the "racism" angle in all of this. My reading of the issues raised above is: 1. The consensus is DSR is not likely to have an NBA future, in which case his pro hoops options would be limited to playing in China (or Europe). 2. Several posters suggested DSR won't return to get his degree years down the road. As for #1 This part of the discussion was limited to what we believe his professional basketball playing prospects are. For one thing, we don't know. Who here projected Jerrelle Benimon playing in the NBA? I didn't. Who knows what his chances are. But based on what we've seen of DSR as a college player and what seemingly all major scouting reports predict, he will not be an NBA Player. If that is how it plays out, his best prospects - as a professional basketball player - may be in China. What is "racist" about that? Nothing I read suggested that is the only job for which he would ever be qualified. It is the job he wants right now and why he is leaving school early. #2? Percentage-wise, not many early hoops departures return to get their degrees. I don't think that has anything to do with race either. I'll go out on a limb and Guess that less than 50% of all students who leave, return later and get their degrees. That includes those who return to school somewhere else. It happens, but it is less likely. I will also guess the longer one waits to return the less likely a degree is earned eventually. Again, I don't see any relationship to race. What am I missing? One more thing... there is nothing chiseled in stone that DSR can't get some other good job somewhere down the road without a degree. Yes, lots of Hoya Hoopsters have gotten degrees and went on to successful careers on Wall St. and elsewhere as were cited earlier. But maybe DSR could get a media job, an on-air commentator or color man. He might not need a degree for that either. Not to limit his career options - that's just one idea that does not necessitate a degree. Lastly, I hope things work out for him. I am disappointed I won't get to see him play his senior year for a promising GU team. He's had such a great career going for him his first three years. OK, I am entitled to be disappointed. Doesn't mean I can't also appreciate it is his choice, his career, and he is making what he believes in the best decision for him. I support his right to make that decision, even if I don't think it is the wisest. But I don't know his circumstances and I don't walk in his shoes. Good luck to DSR. If at some point in time he really wants a degree, he can earn it by returning to GU or to another institution that will accept the credits he has already earned. Wish him the best. He will be missed. Well stated, Sirsaxa. What more needs to be said? Time to focus on the prospects for those who remain on the team, and , of course root for DSR to have a good playing career..somewhere.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 6, 2015 14:30:02 GMT -5
I don't get the "racism" angle in all of this. My reading of the issues raised above is: 1. The consensus is DSR is not likely to have an NBA future, in which case his pro hoops options would be limited to playing in China (or Europe). 2. Several posters suggested DSR won't return to get his degree years down the road. As for #1 This part of the discussion was limited to what we believe his professional basketball playing prospects are. For one thing, we don't know. Who here projected Jerrelle Benimon playing in the NBA? I didn't. Who knows what his chances are. But based on what we've seen of DSR as a college player and what seemingly all major scouting reports predict, he will not be an NBA Player. If that is how it plays out, his best prospects - as a professional basketball player - may be in China. What is "racist" about that? Nothing I read suggested that is the only job for which he would ever be qualified. It is the job he wants right now and why he is leaving school early. #2? Percentage-wise, not many early hoops departures return to get their degrees. I don't think that has anything to do with race either. I'll go out on a limb and Guess that less than 50% of all students who leave, return later and get their degrees. That includes those who return to school somewhere else. It happens, but it is less likely. I will also guess the longer one waits to return the less likely a degree is earned eventually. Again, I don't see any relationship to race. What am I missing? One more thing... there is nothing chiseled in stone that DSR can't get some other good job somewhere down the road without a degree. Yes, lots of Hoya Hoopsters have gotten degrees and went on to successful careers on Wall St. and elsewhere as were cited earlier. But maybe DSR could get a media job, an on-air commentator or color man. He might not need a degree for that either. Not to limit his career options - that's just one idea that does not necessitate a degree. Lastly, I hope things work out for him. I am disappointed I won't get to see him play his senior year for a promising GU team. He's had such a great career going for him his first three years. OK, I am entitled to be disappointed. Doesn't mean I can't also appreciate it is his choice, his career, and he is making what he believes in the best decision for him. I support his right to make that decision, even if I don't think it is the wisest. But I don't know his circumstances and I don't walk in his shoes. Good luck to DSR. If at some point in time he really wants a degree, he can earn it by returning to GU or to another institution that will accept the credits he has already earned. Wish him the best. He will be missed. Eloquently spoken!
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Post by calhoya on Apr 6, 2015 15:00:18 GMT -5
It's not that playing ball in China is the best job that DSR can get. It's that if he wants to play professional basketball -- for which there is a very small window of time for all people, for most the ages of 22-28 -- his best bet is to play abroad. Now, he will have to do something with his life after that, that is for sure, as even under the what is most likely the best case scenario he will retire before he is 30 from basketball. He will likely have to go back to school at some point, whether in the off-season or upon retirement, to obtain that degree. I could say, there seems to be some sort of racism in the assumption that he won't be mature or capable enough to do that after having earned some money doing what he loves for a few years. At the risk of ticking a bunch of you off, seems to me that there's a soft sort of racism in the assumption that playing in China is the best job DSR can aspire to. Ron Blaylock is on Wall Street, or was. The success stories of those guys who played for "Pops" (as somebody tagged him) are many. I think all have their degree. I don't get the "racism" angle in all of this. My reading of the issues raised above is: 1. The consensus is DSR is not likely to have an NBA future, in which case his pro hoops options would be limited to playing in China (or Europe). 2. Several posters suggested DSR won't return to get his degree years down the road. As for #1 This part of the discussion was limited to what we believe his professional basketball playing prospects are. For one thing, we don't know. Who here projected Jerrelle Benimon playing in the NBA? I didn't. Who knows what his chances are. But based on what we've seen of DSR as a college player and what seemingly all major scouting reports predict, he will not be an NBA Player. If that is how it plays out, his best prospects - as a professional basketball player - may be in China. What is "racist" about that? Nothing I read suggested that is the only job for which he would ever be qualified. It is the job he wants right now and why he is leaving school early. #2? Percentage-wise, not many early hoops departures return to get their degrees. I don't think that has anything to do with race either. I'll go out on a limb and Guess that less than 50% of all students who leave, return later and get their degrees. That includes those who return to school somewhere else. It happens, but it is less likely. I will also guess the longer one waits to return the less likely a degree is earned eventually. Again, I don't see any relationship to race. What am I missing? One more thing... there is nothing chiseled in stone that DSR can't get some other good job somewhere down the road without a degree. Yes, lots of Hoya Hoopsters have gotten degrees and went on to successful careers on Wall St. and elsewhere as were cited earlier. But maybe DSR could get a media job, an on-air commentator or color man. He might not need a degree for that either. Not to limit his career options - that's just one idea that does not necessitate a degree. Lastly, I hope things work out for him. I am disappointed I won't get to see him play his senior year for a promising GU team. He's had such a great career going for him his first three years. OK, I am entitled to be disappointed. Doesn't mean I can't also appreciate it is his choice, his career, and he is making what he believes in the best decision for him. I support his right to make that decision, even if I don't think it is the wisest. But I don't know his circumstances and I don't walk in his shoes. Good luck to DSR. If at some point in time he really wants a degree, he can earn it by returning to GU or to another institution that will accept the credits he has already earned. Wish him the best. He will be missed. Totally agree with this. The word racism has never entered my mind, and as someone of color, I am probably as sensitive to this as anyone. However, the word arrogance has entered my mind. As a proud alum of Georgetown and the father of a current student at the school, there are few who value the school more than I do. It has been a ticket to a fulfilling and happy life. Yet, to suggest that the kid is making a horrible mistake because it will likely mean no "degree" from Georgetown is imposing our perspective upon his value system. A degree is obtainable from Georgetown or elsewhere later in life--a basketball career will not be after about 10 years. Moreover, there are many degrees from Georgetown and elsewhere that will not provide the value or economic security to this young man as the potential savings from an additional year of playing professionally. Truth be told, most of the posters appear to be motivated by the loss of a key basketball player for next year's team and not some great concern for the education of DSR. Oddly, many incorporate into their disappointment over the loss of what was expected to be a critical part of next year's team, a pronouncement that the player is not good enough to play professionally. If true then he is not that big of a loss. If not, then it is time to lay off and move on.
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Post by calhoya on Apr 6, 2015 15:37:37 GMT -5
Sorry should have limited comment to most of the posters criticizing the departure of DSR.
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