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Post by jwp91 on Feb 11, 2015 12:53:42 GMT -5
As the parent of a competitive soccer player who has played club soccer for almost 10 years, every expert I have heard speak (and I have listened and read many) has said that playing time is fundamental to development. I imagine that basketball and soccer are not that different in this regard. Is playing time the only way to develop? No. Is it part of the plan? I believe so. I find it borderline ludicrous to suggest otherwise. No one has said it is not valuable. But the idea that 3-5 minutes is going to transform Hayes from what he is to something extremely valuable is equally ludicrous. So I ask again: how many of our close wins this year are you willing to give up for a better third string center? Really? This is an absurd argument. Using this argument, DSR should never leave the floor. My goal is 'passable when in need 'which for me doesn't equate to 'extremely valuable.' Here are a couple of games where Hayes could have received some playing time. Towson won by 32. He played 1 minute Creighton won by 27. He played 2 minutes You really think you can defend his lack of play time because it was the only way to win?
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 11, 2015 13:05:03 GMT -5
Apparently there are major chemistry issues at The Hall. Aside from the usual "we need a new coach" sniping on their fan board, there are reports that security had to be called into the SHU locker room after the game. Sterling Gibbs and Isaiah Whitehead are apparently not getting along really well. Whitehead was so upset with the loss tonight that he took the time to tweet a thank you to a rapper friend who came to Prudential Center for the game. Head coach Kevin Willard told radio broadcasters Dave Popkin and Gary Cohen, on his post game show, that he did not want to talk about team chemistry (in response to a question). Were it not for some unusual officiating calls and the one run SHU had in the first half, this could well have been a 40 point game. www.app.com/story/sports/college/2015/02/11/seton-hall-basketball-jaren-sina/23231845/“ I tried my best. I think it was a good teammate,” Sina said via phone. “I’ve always been positive. I’ve always worked hard. I always gave it 100 percent. It’s not a good situation for me right now. At the end of the day, I think it’s best for me and my family.”
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Post by Big Dog on Feb 11, 2015 13:18:12 GMT -5
No one has said it is not valuable. But the idea that 3-5 minutes is going to transform Hayes from what he is to something extremely valuable is equally ludicrous. So I ask again: how many of our close wins this year are you willing to give up for a better third string center? Really? This is an absurd argument. Using this argument, DSR should never leave the floor. My goal is 'passable when in need 'which for me doesn't equate to 'extremely valuable.' Here are a couple of games where Hayes could have received some playing time. Towson won by 32. He played 1 minute Creighton won by 27. He played 2 minutes You really think you can defend his lack of play time because it was the only way to win? Dude, maybe Hayes just isn't good. Blame III the recruiter, not the coach. Two things can always be counted on I guess: 1) people who want to carry water for tall big guys who never get off the bench, and 2) people who can't fathom how big guys struggle to put the ball in the hoop around the basket. There is just something funny about height and fan base expectations/fantasies.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 11, 2015 13:20:51 GMT -5
Should we include him in the recruiting Prospects thread? Gets to sit on the bench while watching the DSR show. For all of you who want a guard recruit, this hard-working, coach-on-court with a good stroke might be a good altenative. Instead of getting them young, we would have a seasoned BE veteran.
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 11, 2015 13:21:54 GMT -5
I am guessing that this will not be the only Pirate walking the plank voluntarily. Reports came out last night that Isaiah Whitehead deleted all references to Seton Hall on his twitter account. Posters at setonhall.rivals.com are taking sides as to whether SHU should keep Sterling Gibbs or Whitehead; the fans are unanimous in their belief that the two cannot coexist on the same roster. There was an open disagreement between the two during last night's game at a timeout. After The Hall's last game, Brandon Mobley openly criticized his teammates.
Kevin Willard had one "rebellion" (for lack of a better word) in 2012, when he reportedly lost the locker room. It seems to have happened again. Don't be surprised if he is the first Big East coach out the door, before Oliver Purnell, at season's end.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 11, 2015 13:22:54 GMT -5
Should we include him in the recruiting Prospects thread? Gets to sit on the bench while watching the DSR show. For all of you who want a guard recruit, this hard-working, coach-on-court with a good stroke might be a good altenative. Instead of getting them young, we would have a seasoned BE veteran. He's not particularly good.
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 11, 2015 13:23:49 GMT -5
I am guessing that this will not be the only Pirate walking the plank voluntarily. Reports came out last night that Isaiah Whitehead deleted all references to Seton Hall on his twitter account. Posters at setonhall.rivals.com are taking sides as to whether SHU should keep Sterling Gibbs or Whitehead; the fans are unanimous in their belief that the two cannot coexist on the same roster. There was an open disagreement between the two during last night's game at a timeout. After The Hall's last game, Brandon Mobley openly criticized his teammates. Kevin Willard had one "rebellion" (for lack of a better word) in 2012, Eddie Griffin's last season, when he reportedly lost the locker room. It seems to have happened again. Don't be surprised if he is the first Big East coach out the door, before Oliver Purnell, at season's end. Yeah, this is a shame to hear. SHU had really potential this year, and now they are a candidate for biggest free fall in basketball. They may not win another game with their schedule.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 11, 2015 13:25:17 GMT -5
I am guessing that this will not be the only Pirate walking the plank voluntarily. Reports came out last night that Isaiah Whitehead deleted all references to Seton Hall on his twitter account. Posters at setonhall.rivals.com are taking sides as to whether SHU should keep Sterling Gibbs or Whitehead; the fans are unanimous in their belief that the two cannot coexist on the same roster. There was an open disagreement between the two during last night's game at a timeout. After The Hall's last game, Brandon Mobley openly criticized his teammates. Kevin Willard had one "rebellion" (for lack of a better word) in 2012, Eddie Griffin's last season, when he reportedly lost the locker room. It seems to have happened again. Don't be surprised if he is the first Big East coach out the door, before Oliver Purnell, at season's end. Whitehead is not good enough to be this demanding. He's not a completely selfish player on the court, but the dude takes way too many difficult shots for a guy who doesn't make that many of them. This is why you don't sell out for a recruit like him. Anyone who comes with an assistant coach and AAU teammates in tow isn't the type of player to listen to a coach.
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 11, 2015 13:37:37 GMT -5
From the Seton Hall campus paper, The Setonian: www.thesetonian.com/news/view.php/860218/Pirates-lose-ugly-one-to-Georgetown-as-lHeading into this game there was controversy surrounding the team following comments made by Mobley and tweets made by Whitehead after the Marquette loss on Saturday. Willard declined comment on the matter of team chemistry, simply saying that the issues had been addressed.
Meanwhile, multiple sources tell The Setonian that Whitehead and Gibbs came to near-blows in a team huddle during a second half timeout around the 11:19 mark of Tuesday's game. No punches were thrown but Gibbs had to be separated by associate head coach Shaheen Holloway as things escalated. Apparently, the two guards have been at the center of the team's ongoing locker room divide.
Seton Hall players were not made available to the media following the game, though Whitehead tweeted, “Imma Give Everybody What They Want That’s It Watch,” shortly after the game. He also changed both his profile picture and cover pictures to photos of pitch blackness on his Twitter account. Following the Marquette loss, Whitehead tweeted, "No More Of That Brother Stuff Strictly Business Partners."
And this is all before Jaren Sina dropped the bombshell today that he is immediately leaving the program.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 11, 2015 13:49:49 GMT -5
Should we include him in the recruiting Prospects thread? Gets to sit on the bench while watching the DSR show. For all of you who want a guard recruit, this hard-working, coach-on-court with a good stroke might be a good altenative. Instead of getting them young, we would have a seasoned BE veteran. He's not particularly good. I take it that that's your opinion. TTS.
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Post by Cambridge on Feb 11, 2015 13:53:03 GMT -5
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 11, 2015 14:00:46 GMT -5
He's not particularly good. I take it that that's your opinion. TTS. Of course it's my opinion. You've watched him -- do you really see him as being valuable especially since he won't be able to play for two years as an in conference transfer? TTS seems relevant if the staff actually shows interest. Have they?
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Post by prhoya on Feb 11, 2015 14:19:52 GMT -5
I take it that that's your opinion. TTS. Of course it's my opinion. You've watched him -- do you really see him as being valuable especially since he won't be able to play for two years as an in conference transfer? TTS seems relevant if the staff actually shows interest. Have they? Let's see. He was a BIG EAST All-Rookie Team selection and earned BIG EAST Academic All-Star recognition. Also, I saw that he was the hardest working SH player last night. If he translates that hard work to his off time, then he can only get better. It happened today. How can the staff have shown interest? Time will tell.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Feb 11, 2015 14:27:47 GMT -5
I really liked the setish play we ran several times last night with Jabril starting on the left side and driving for a right sided lay up with Hopkins boxing his defender under the hoop to give Jabril a path to the basket once he got past his man. I hope to see more of that. I think it'd be great with Smith too as I don't see anyone getting around smith to contest that shot.
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 11, 2015 14:31:01 GMT -5
Jaren Sina had originally signed a Letter of Intent to go to Northwestern, when Bill Carmody was the head coach and former Rutgers head coach Fred Hill Jr. was an assistant on Carmody's staff. When Northwestern fired Carmody and his staff, Hill was hired as an assistant by Kevin Willard at Seton Hall. Sina asked for, and was granted by new coach Chris Collins, a release from his LOI so that Sina could follow Hill to SHU. Says a lot about Collins, in that Sina was the prize recruit coming into the Northwestern program. I think that Willard, and by extension Hill, will be out at The Hall at season's end, and I would expect that Sina will follow Hill to wherever Hill next goes, if it is a D-1 program. Otherwise, Sina is a New Jersey kid, and it wouldn't surprise me to see Rutgers go after him.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 11, 2015 14:41:30 GMT -5
Of course it's my opinion. You've watched him -- do you really see him as being valuable especially since he won't be able to play for two years as an in conference transfer? TTS seems relevant if the staff actually shows interest. Have they? Let's see. He was a BIG EAST All-Rookie Team selection and earned BIG EAST Academic All-Star recognition. Also, I saw that he was the hardest working SH player last night. If he translates that hard work to his off time, then he can only get better. It happened today. How can the staff have shown interest? Time will tell. Just watching last night, he doesn't look quite good enough to be an average starter in the BE. If he were available for next year, given our lack of guards, that might be one thing, but he's not. He doesn't have the size or athleticism to score from inside the arc, he's not a creator or distributor and while he shot 28% from 3 last year, he's only at 32% this year. But he did shoot 38% last year and he's a good but not great FT shooter. I don't think he's a starter at GU and the two years of scholarship-taking-but-not-playing really kills it for me.
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Post by NCHoya on Feb 11, 2015 14:53:35 GMT -5
Whitehead is not good enough to be this demanding. He's not a completely selfish player on the court, but the dude takes way too many difficult shots for a guy who doesn't make that many of them. This is why you don't sell out for a recruit like him. Anyone who comes with an assistant coach and AAU teammates in tow isn't the type of player to listen to a coach. Totally agree. Whitehead is showing some serious maturity issues but Willard made it clear during his recruitment that Whitehead would be calling the shots. Now, the coach and team will have to sleep in the bed they made by putting one player (that is immature) above the rest. It is too bad because SHU was a feel good story for the conference and it looks like it will end very ugly. Willard probably needs to go and a veteran coach that can build something sustainable should be brought in. There are plenty of candidates from low and mid-major schools in the NYC metro area; SHU should not settle for Willard who has clearly lost the locker room for a second time in his career and sold out on a kid like Whitehead.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Feb 11, 2015 14:58:31 GMT -5
Why would he go anywhere where he has to sit for two years? Makes zero sense to me.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 11, 2015 15:37:29 GMT -5
I saw all I need to know about Sina in the final 90 seconds last night. During garbage time, when you try to spread the opportunities among the walk-ons and other end-of-bench guys, Sina ran around chucking up every shot he could, at least 4 or 5 by my count. Maybe he was discontented, but that is just selfish basketball. We don't need it.
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Post by seaweed on Feb 11, 2015 15:48:36 GMT -5
maybe he knew those were the last 90 seconds he would play in the next 12-24 months.
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