canissaxa
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Post by canissaxa on Feb 11, 2015 8:39:32 GMT -5
Cam, forgot to attach the smiley face to the end of my comment! I spent the middle of that game cursing at my TV. I agree with your substantive comment. Where's the killer instinct? Those two losses to Providence are the ones that still kill me. EXACTLY. Where's the killer instinct? When X and Nova ran out to big early leads against us, did we even sniff a comeback in either game? No - we got to within 7 of X at one point, and we never even got to single digits against Nova. Not sure why we couldn't treat Seton Hall the same way we've been treated. It's not an instinct issue. Those teams are much better than SH. Also, as much as our brains try to apply patterns and explanatory stories, the game is still one of chance and a slight variation in 3pt percentage by either team has a big effect on the outcome. Sort of like how a 1pt win is cause for hoyatalk to project a deep tourney run and talk about the players' heart while a 1pt loss is time to talk about JTIII being replaced and killer instinct. One basket flips the whole narrative. If we are going to cherry pick two games where we didn't make a comeback lets at least be honest with ourselves about statistics in the mark twain sense. It's enough to make me want to curse on the board. ?
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Feb 11, 2015 8:51:09 GMT -5
I liked the energy we started with and we started to give up runs once Trawick was in foul trouble (tough first foul) and Hop & Smith were in trouble too. If Copeland can rebound and defend like that against other bigs, I really like that dimension. We had white/copeland as our bigs for a decent stretch and they held up on D. I know SH bigs are either freshman or an outside in guy like Mobley but that was solid. Not sure we can pull that off against Providence bigs or Xavier bigs.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 11, 2015 9:18:18 GMT -5
Early Hoya lead Hall comeback creates despair Ike spurs gutcheck win
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Post by prhoya on Feb 11, 2015 9:22:45 GMT -5
Steals! Btw, I don't regularly look at steals in box scores, but had to look because it felt like we had a lot. We had 10 steals vs Villanova and 15 steals vs Seton Hall, two teams with pretty good guards. It gets lost among his many attributes, but DSR has a knack to steak the ball when he's in tight spaces.
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Post by dreamhoya on Feb 11, 2015 9:25:29 GMT -5
...I'd really like to give a huge Kudos to Isaac C. He single-handedly sured up GUs interior defensive weaknesses last night. That's a big area of concern for this year's Hoyas and if they can sure up the paint area, they can win games big. I like how Ike played the Hopkins role, but he defended inside and out. He had want-to that I don't see much this year with the team aside from Bowen and Trawick. Tip of the cap to you young fella. If JTIII keeps playing him that that Hopkins role, the team will be in good shape...
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Post by grandmahoya on Feb 11, 2015 10:10:23 GMT -5
In my post last night, and in my excitement about Isaac Copeland, I didn't mention three players that really came to play last night and always do. DSR with his 23 pts. is always money at the free throw line at end of games and quietly always comes through for us. We come to expect it from him and forget how good he really is. I knew DSR would have a big game after our Villanova loss. I also have to mention Bril who brings it every game. I think he's the heart and soul of this team, a real warrior. He doesn't get the credit he deserves and we will all miss him and his energy next year. He's my defensive player of the year. And finally Aaron Bowen, a spark off the bench who just loves to play, can't wait to get in the game, a human highlight reel who really gives a shot of energy to the team. Very happy with JTIII's adjustments, substitutions and am very optimistic about the rest of the season.
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Post by drquigley on Feb 11, 2015 10:18:27 GMT -5
So how good does Copeland have to play to basically consign Josh to the bench? After what he showed last night, and what he showed in flashes in other games, Copeland has to be our center/power forward. I'd bring in Josh ONLY when we are playing a 2-3 zone. And as White continues to improve I'd also consider sitting Hopkins next to Josh. DSR, Peak, Traws, Copeland, White is far and away the best team we can place on the court. Bring in Bowen, Tre, and Hop/Josh to spell them or if they are in foul trouble. Having Josh on the court has the same effect on our offense (and defense) as tire chains on a race car.
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 11, 2015 10:20:16 GMT -5
Cam, forgot to attach the smiley face to the end of my comment! I spent the middle of that game cursing at my TV. I agree with your substantive comment. Where's the killer instinct? Those two losses to Providence are the ones that still kill me. EXACTLY. Where's the killer instinct? When X and Nova ran out to big early leads against us, did we even sniff a comeback in either game? No - we got to within 7 of X at one point, and we never even got to single digits against Nova. Not sure why we couldn't treat Seton Hall the same way we've been treated. Are you really whining about the way they played in a 19 point victory?
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Post by guru on Feb 11, 2015 10:59:51 GMT -5
Great result and a win we badly needed. Loved sticking Copeland in as a starter - it paid off immediately.
Here's hoping we all look back on the moment the Hall tied it at 44 as the turning point of the Hoyas season. Onward and upward.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 11, 2015 11:06:50 GMT -5
So how good does Copeland have to play to basically consign Josh to the bench? After what he showed last night, and what he showed in flashes in other games, Copeland has to be our center/power forward. I'd bring in Josh ONLY when we are playing a 2-3 zone. And as White continues to improve I'd also consider sitting Hopkins next to Josh. DSR, Peak, Traws, Copeland, White is far and away the best team we can place on the court. Bring in Bowen, Tre, and Hop/Josh to spell them or if they are in foul trouble. Having Josh on the court has the same effect on our offense (and defense) as tire chains on a race car. Ike cannot play center against most of the teams in this conference. Maybe Paul with a team like Hall. We need a real big on defense most games.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 11, 2015 11:11:52 GMT -5
That was a brutal game to watch in parts but I very much respected the way the Hoyas dealt with some really bizarre, one-sided calls and the timely shooting by SH in the latter part of the first half. There were a couple of forced possessions but not nearly to the level that I've felt like I could see prior to tonight in a game that, in all likelihood, the Hoyas felt they had to win. That chuckle by Josh when he got called for his third (I think) sort of summed it up for me. It was a "you have to be kidding me, you have no shot" kind of laugh at the refs and at the SH squad. Quiet points by DSR in the flow of the offense and feeding the hot hand in Isaac. Jabril efficiently taking advantage of a complete lack of defense or ability to stop him. When he took that first three, I thought to myself, "That's the Trawick we need." He's had his mental lapses but he's also had some games this year where he sees his advantage and goes and exploits it with really good results. I saw him pull back one shot that I can recall tonight that he should have taken but, other than that, he went up in rhythm and in the flow of the offense. He's shooting well and should continue to build on that. It's very important and hugely helpful to any lineup at the 4 and 5. And PW is going to come around. He's still taking shots he should take and that's a good sign. If other guys step up like they did tonight such that PW doesn't have to feel like he has to be option B or even C on a given night, those shots start dropping in a hurry. I saw a post mentioning that no one is afraid of PW on offense and that's just not true. He has to still be respected at the foul line in a zone and on a kick to a wing 3 or, really, any open three. He's a viable option on offense right now and will only improve. His stroke is too clean not to have that happen and he takes good shots most of the time. The conundrum is Joshua. We need that post presence on offense to open things up against most teams. Seton Hall isn't really one of them. He really needs to find a way to stop fouling. I liked the way in which he was used to start the game but he needs to make that adjustment for himself. Maybe preparing for fewer minutes but knowing that he has to have a foul to burn in case the team needs more out of him. He gets absolutely hosed a lot of the time and I don't know that there's a way to compensate for that. I'm sure it's not a lack of trying to figure it out but the fact remains that this squad needs someone to figure out something such that a puny guard jumping into him doesn't end up as a foul on Josh. All I could think of tonight was the late foul on LJ. I'm not advocating hurting anyone but I would not mind even a little bit if one or two of Josh's fouls a night were of the "don't even think about it" variety. You wanna jump into him as a 6 foot guard? OK. Feel that foul when you get out of bed the next morning. The number of foul shots are the same but the impression is vastly different. We get called like we play like the early nineties Knicks anyway. Love your posts, tas, but man, the above is brutal. The enter key is your friend.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 11, 2015 11:14:08 GMT -5
So how good does Copeland have to play to basically consign Josh to the bench? After what he showed last night, and what he showed in flashes in other games, Copeland has to be our center/power forward. I'd bring in Josh ONLY when we are playing a 2-3 zone. And as White continues to improve I'd also consider sitting Hopkins next to Josh. DSR, Peak, Traws, Copeland, White is far and away the best team we can place on the court. Bring in Bowen, Tre, and Hop/Josh to spell them or if they are in foul trouble. Having Josh on the court has the same effect on our offense (and defense) as tire chains on a race car. Ike cannot play center against most of the teams in this conference. Maybe Paul with a team like Hall. We need a real big on defense most games. I agree. With certain teams with weaker frontcourts, I think we can get away without Hopkins/Smith, but we generally need one of them if we are facing somebody like Stainbrook, etc. As far as Smith, he's still extremely effective on the offensive end and commands double-teams, so I think we still want him out there (as it is, his minutes tend to be limited by foul trouble anyway). Also, if we avoid playing Hopkins with Smith going forward, I think that will help Smith's effectiveness. I think it's a closer call with Hopkins because Copeland's offense is so much better than Hopkins' offense, but still, Hopkins is bigger and better equipped to defend the bigger guys we'll face. All that being said, I still think that last night showed us that when the circumstances are right we can play small very effectively.
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 11, 2015 11:19:24 GMT -5
Ike cannot play center against most of the teams in this conference. Maybe Paul with a team like Hall. We need a real big on defense most games. I agree. With certain teams with weaker frontcourts, I think we can get away without Hopkins/Smith, but we generally need one of them if we are facing somebody like Stainbrook, etc. As far as Smith, he's still extremely effective on the offensive end and commands double-teams, so I think we still want him out there (as it is, his minutes tend to be limited by foul trouble anyway). Also, if we avoid playing Hopkins with Smith going forward, I think that will help Smith's effectiveness. I think it's a closer call with Hopkins because Copeland's offense is so much better than Hopkins' offense, but still, Hopkins is bigger and better equipped to defend the bigger guys we'll face. All that being said, I still think that last night showed us that when the circumstances are right we can play small very effectively. Read the "Going Small" Thread. The lead was built up to 10 points with Smith/Hopkins lineup. The "Small" lineup maintained the lead and was only +3. Then Hopkins came back in with 10 minutes to go and extended the lead to 19 pts. +6 So the lineup with Smith/Hopkins was +10, the lineup at the end of the game with Hopkins was +6 and the "Small" lineup was +3. Based on last night game the "Small" lineup does not warrant being played over a lineup with Smith/Hopkins as it was less effective. I think alot of people advocating this lineup missed that Hopkins came back in at the 10 minute mark and that the "Small" lineup was only +3.
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Post by jwp91 on Feb 11, 2015 11:22:56 GMT -5
Bradley struggled to get up on that one offensive rebound...looked like he got blocked by the rim?? For everyone who has been asking for Hayes to get more playing time. . .was there anything you saw from him in the first half that made you say, "Yes, I want to see more of that" in future games? He got several minutes in a game in which the opponent does not have a true center; imagine if The Hall had a center against him? Yes, let's not use Bradley Hayes until we absolutely need him when both bigs are in trouble in a Big East Conference game that we desperately need to win. He did not look good. What do you expect when you haven't groomed him over the course of 24 games? You reap what you sow....so JTIII got exactly what he has invested...nothing during a game.
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Post by Big Dog on Feb 11, 2015 11:24:24 GMT -5
Apparently there are major chemistry issues at The Hall. Aside from the usual "we need a new coach" sniping on their fan board, there are reports that security had to be called into the SHU locker room after the game. Sterling Gibbs and Isaiah Whitehead are apparently not getting along really well. Whitehead was so upset with the loss tonight that he took the time to tweet a thank you to a rapper friend who came to Prudential Center for the game. Head coach Kevin Willard told radio broadcasters Dave Popkin and Gary Cohen, on his post game show, that he did not want to talk about team chemistry (in response to a question). Were it not for some unusual officiating calls and the one run SHU had in the first half, this could well have been a 40 point game. That brings back memories of 2001 when we blew out the #11 ranked seton hall pirates so badly the team imploded culminating in a post game locker room brawl starring Eddie Griffin and Ty Shine. That team never recovered. I think it nearly ended Tommy Amaker's career. Except that they recovered enough to absolutely humiliate us at MSG. Worst Hoyas performance I have ever seen in person.
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Post by TC on Feb 11, 2015 11:26:59 GMT -5
The notion that a timeout stops the run is completely false. In many respects, calling a timeout when the other team is hot is one of a the worst moves a coach can make. I'd love to see any numbers which support these claims. These assertions smell like completely unsubstantiated BS.
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Post by Big Dog on Feb 11, 2015 11:27:19 GMT -5
For everyone who has been asking for Hayes to get more playing time. . .was there anything you saw from him in the first half that made you say, "Yes, I want to see more of that" in future games? He got several minutes in a game in which the opponent does not have a true center; imagine if The Hall had a center against him? Yes, let's not use Bradley Hayes until we absolutely need him when both bigs are in trouble in a Big East Conference game that we desperately need to win. He did not look good. What do you expect when you haven't groomed him over the course of 24 games? You reap what you sow....so JTIII got exactly what he has invested...nothing during a game. I love this argument. 1. "Coach doesn't play this guy that I think could be a huge help! What the hell!" 2.Coach plays the guy, and virtually every time he does the opposing team gets a layup near the rim. 3. "Damnit it is Coach's fault for not giving him more minutes so that he doesn't suck when he does play!" No, you don't have an ax to grind.
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 11, 2015 11:27:46 GMT -5
For everyone who has been asking for Hayes to get more playing time. . .was there anything you saw from him in the first half that made you say, "Yes, I want to see more of that" in future games? He got several minutes in a game in which the opponent does not have a true center; imagine if The Hall had a center against him? Yes, let's not use Bradley Hayes until we absolutely need him when both bigs are in trouble in a Big East Conference game that we desperately need to win. He did not look good. What do you expect when you haven't groomed him over the course of 24 games? You reap what you sow....so JTIII got exactly what he has invested...nothing during a game. Bradley's time has past. Looks like they will be going with Mourning as the third center if there is foul trouble.
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Post by Big Dog on Feb 11, 2015 11:28:36 GMT -5
I agree. With certain teams with weaker frontcourts, I think we can get away without Hopkins/Smith, but we generally need one of them if we are facing somebody like Stainbrook, etc. As far as Smith, he's still extremely effective on the offensive end and commands double-teams, so I think we still want him out there (as it is, his minutes tend to be limited by foul trouble anyway). Also, if we avoid playing Hopkins with Smith going forward, I think that will help Smith's effectiveness. I think it's a closer call with Hopkins because Copeland's offense is so much better than Hopkins' offense, but still, Hopkins is bigger and better equipped to defend the bigger guys we'll face. All that being said, I still think that last night showed us that when the circumstances are right we can play small very effectively. Read the "Going Small" Thread. The lead was built up to 10 points with Smith/Hopkins lineup. The "Small" lineup maintained the lead and was only +3. Then Hopkins came back in with 10 minutes to go and extended the lead to 19 pts. +6 So the lineup with Smith/Hopkins was +10, the lineup at the end of the game with Hopkins was +6 and the "Small" lineup was +3. Based on last night game the "Small" lineup does not warrant being played over a lineup with Smith/Hopkins as it was less effective. I think alot of people advocating this lineup missed that Hopkins came back in at the 10 minute mark and that the "Small" lineup was only +3. I actually agree that the lineup I liked was the athletic lineup with Caneron, White, and Hopkins.
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Post by Big Dog on Feb 11, 2015 11:31:18 GMT -5
If Copeland plays like that going forward, and he is certainly capable of doing so, we become a real threat to challenge for the BET title and make a deep NCAA run. Imagine if JTIII had played Copeland more earlier and started him more often? Maybe it would have been too early to do that, maybe not. In any event, it's exactly the change we needed and restores my optimism when I had some serious concerns a major slide was on the horizon. Good heavens, people. Doesn't it ever occur to people to say "Man, JTIII really did a great job bring Isaac along this year, his development has been amazing." No, instead the assumption is that Copeland playing great now means that Coach Editeded it up. Ridiculous.
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