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Post by Just Cos on Dec 10, 2014 23:00:02 GMT -5
Hopkins is just inconsistent. He did have a couple of great defensive plays. He must become more of an offensive threat, though. We need to somehow find/clone another Peak, White, and Copeland along with a more flexible Josh Smith. And we need two more point guards that are capable ball handlers. Totally disagree with this. We need Hopkins to be a defensive stronghold and to realize his place on offense. I don't want Hopkins to try and improve his offensive game. His defense is enough and I will take it. Plus don't foul.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 10, 2014 23:03:39 GMT -5
You know I'm as pessimistic as they come, but strangely I'm not overly upset at tonight's loss. Kansas was just ice cold when we made our runs and hit timely shots. Just wasn't our night. I kind of feel like we in years past win these big games during the season only to (you know what) the bed in post season. Based off nothing I feel like we reverse the trend this season. That's just the feeling this team gives me. Joking aside, we really can be that low seed no one will want to face come March. We're close. Once we put it together oh boy watch out. Oh and are we done with the DSR as the primary ball handler experiment? Only criticism tonight would have been to let him play off the ball more to get him going. That's the thing. We are giving the freshmen major minutes right now absorbing the mistakes that come with freshman play. At one point earlier this season it didn't look like Copeland was going to do anything this year and now he's playing well.
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Post by Just Cos on Dec 10, 2014 23:04:15 GMT -5
DSR has been good as a PG but terrible at scoring. He plays off point multiple times in the game and that hasn't cured his shooting performance. I believe, and hope, his shooting will come back. I think the hardest part is that defenses lock in on just him when it comes to guards and it is the first time he has had to deal with that situation.
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Post by FLHoya on Dec 10, 2014 23:06:18 GMT -5
You think 10-8 conference record gets us in? I don't. Who knows...I can't even tell you what "we'll be good come March" means, and I actually believe it.
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Post by FLHoya on Dec 10, 2014 23:08:25 GMT -5
Totally disagree with this. We need Hopkins to be a defensive stronghold and to realize his place on offense. I don't want Hopkins to try and improve his offensive game. His defense is enough and I will take it. Plus don't foul. I said during the game: if the NCAA allowed hockey-style line changes and we could swap Hop and Josh in defense/offense, we'd rule the world. The big man left it all out there tonight, but dude looked pretty spent at the end of both halves.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Dec 10, 2014 23:08:55 GMT -5
Oh, and great crowd at Verizon tonight.
Still underwhelming turnout by the students, but everyone brought the noise tonight. Almost couldn't tell it was probably half and half Hoya and Jayhawk fans
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 10, 2014 23:09:45 GMT -5
DSR has been good as a PG but terrible at scoring. He plays off point multiple times in the game and that hasn't cured his shooting performance. I believe, and hope, his shooting will come back. I think the hardest part is that defenses lock in on just him when it comes to guards and it is the first time he has had to deal with that situation. It's not only about being point guard, it's about being the number one option (The Jordan as opposed to the Pippen) on this year's team. Every team's defense is going to be designed to shut down DSR whether he plays point guard or shooting guard. That will not change. So the adjustment he has to makes is more dealing with being the man. If that means dishing it off more for assists or being a decoy than so be it but the answer is not to play small ball and move him to two guard and put Tre Campbell at the point.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 10, 2014 23:10:45 GMT -5
Oh, and great crowd at Verizon tonight. Still underwhelming turnout by the students, but everyone brought the noise tonight. Almost couldn't tell it was probably half and half Hoya and Jayhawk fans On TV it looked mostly gray in the 100s and 200s. Very few KU Blue shirts.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 10, 2014 23:15:35 GMT -5
The freshmen are all better than the upperclassmen? White, Copeland. LJ may well have better careers. But they are not better right now. Josh and DSR(tonight notwithstanding) are still our best players right now. Well, mostly I was talking about Jabril and Mikael....not DSR and Josh. Should've been more clear Then I 100% agree.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Dec 10, 2014 23:17:47 GMT -5
Who the hell is Brannen Greene, and why didn't someone just shoot him? I was going to complain about turnovers, but the differential was only -1. I was going to complain about DSR's abysmal shooting, but Perry Ellis was pretty much a match for him. Between them, they laid enough bricks to build a church. The missed front ends of the one and ones definitely hurt, but the real story is that Brannen Greene killed us. Harold Jensen lives. Funny, I was thinking the same thing throughout the second half. The kid had a career game. He will not shoot like that for the rest of the year. Yes most were wide open shots but he hit all of them. What are the odds of that on the road. That is the same unconsciousness Jensen had in 1985. Did someone ask him to take a urine test after the game? ?
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Post by beenaround on Dec 10, 2014 23:18:26 GMT -5
My thoughts, after returning from the game, sitting pretty close to the court. Don't know how it sounded on tv....but lots of Kansas fans in the stands, which surprised me for a Wed night in December in DC. Went to the game with a former D2 college coach. He said early on in the game "that Kansas point guard, number 0 is in DSR's head. He does not think he can beat him." Sure enough, he was extremely hesitant most of the night,,,in fact his only points of the second half came after his shot was blocked by the guy, but he followed it and laid it in. Mason, Jr was too quick and could jump, as well. DSR is way more skilled, but not a good matchup for him. Wish he had been off the ball more, to run off screen, cuts, etc. Lots of reasons for the loss, but the missed three and poor pass to Josh in the final minutes surely ended it.
As noted, Jabril was simply putting his head down and dribbling right into defenders and he was a complete negative on the night. HE and Hopkins on the court is scary on offense. But one of the best defensive performances I have ever seen from the Hopper. Several blocks and steals when it looked like Kansas players were going in uncontested.
THe freshmen all had good moments on offense and defense...they just need to be more focused and consistent. Smith is a weapon that few if any other teams have in college. Wish we could make teams pay for double teams on him.
For some reason, I am not that impressed with this particular Kansas team. Think we should have beaten them at home.
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Post by njhoya78 on Dec 10, 2014 23:18:41 GMT -5
You know I'm as pessimistic as they come, but strangely I'm not overly upset at tonight's loss. Kansas was just ice cold when we made our runs and hit timely shots. Just wasn't our night. I kind of feel like we in years past win these big games during the season only to (you know what) the bed in post season. Based off nothing I feel like we reverse the trend this season. That's just the feeling this team gives me. Joking aside, we really can be that low seed no one will want to face come March. We're close. Once we put it together oh boy watch out. Oh and are we done with the DSR as the primary ball handler experiment? Only criticism tonight would have been to let him play off the ball more to get him going. That's the thing. We are giving the freshmen major minutes right now absorbing the mistakes that come with freshman play. At one point earlier this season it didn't look like Copeland was going to do anything this year and now he's playing well. The issue now isn't absorbing the mistakes that come with freshman play. The problem is that we cannot absorb the mistakes that are being made by the seniors. I hate to write it, but Jabril's play tonight was, in my view, the key reason why we fell behind so badly in the first fifteen minutes, and the team had to expend far too much energy playing catch-up. He was out of control offensively, and I counted at least three occasions that he dribbled the ball away into a bad turnover. If this is what we can expect to see from him going forward, JT3 will have no alternative but to limit his minutes. DSR didn't have it tonight, but Kansas's usual leading scorer was not much better (4 for 15) himself, so the Jayhawks had to look to others to step up. The three point shooting (or more accurately, defense) killed us. I'm not going to bash Hopkins at all tonight. Yes, his offense was, well, offensive, but he did a tremendous job defensively and on the boards. He cannot play any better than he did tonight, and we have to appreciate the effort.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 10, 2014 23:20:00 GMT -5
Well, mostly I was talking about Jabril and Mikael....not DSR and Josh. Should've been more clear Then I 100% agree. As good as Peak was in the middle of the game he made a bunch of mistakes at the end of the game. Blew two laypus, missed a bunch of free throws (which has been a season wide problem) and didn't cover the "On Fire 3 pt" guy. So at least right now you are going to have to live with the good and the bad from the freshman.
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Post by Just Cos on Dec 10, 2014 23:21:20 GMT -5
Repeat and wash...hot shooters happen and we all remember them, especially in March. Team, and more importantly coach, should have realized it sooner instead of forgetting where he was. Great move by coach to put Bowen on him but should have happened sooner.
I'm a big III fan but that was a miss. I mean he even told the team in the huddle to follow Greene even though he just got his fourth foul.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 10, 2014 23:22:31 GMT -5
My thoughts, after returning from the game, sitting pretty close to the court. Don't know how it sounded on tv....but lots of Kansas fans in the stands, which surprised me for a Wed night in December in DC. Went to the game with a former D2 college coach. He said early on in the game "that Kansas point guard, number 0 is in DSR's head. He does not think he can beat him." Sure enough, he was extremely hesitant most of the night,,,in fact his only points of the second half came after his shot was blocked by the guy, but he followed it and laid it in. Mason, Jr was too quick and could jump, as well. DSR is way more skilled, but not a good matchup for him. Wish he had been off the ball more, to run off screen, cuts, etc. Lots of reasons for the loss, but the missed three and poor pass to Josh in the final minutes surely ended it. As noted, Jabril was simply putting his head down and dribbling right into defenders and he was a complete negative on the night. HE and Hopkins on the court is scary on offense. But one of the best defensive performances I have ever seen from the Hopper. Several blocks and steals when it looked like Kansas players were going in uncontested. THe freshmen all had good moments on offense and defense...they just need to be more focused and consistent. Smith is a weapon that few if any other teams have in college. Wish we could make teams pay for double teams on him. For some reason, I am not that impressed with this particular Kansas team. Think we should have beaten them at home. I expected that but at least on the TV view on FS1 (which is facing the team bench side of the court), the 100 and 200 level they showed looked about 80% Hoyas fans. Now perhaps the KU fans were all on the other side not captured by the camera but it looked good for the Hoyas on TV and not like a Redskins game.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 10, 2014 23:28:00 GMT -5
That's the thing. We are giving the freshmen major minutes right now absorbing the mistakes that come with freshman play. At one point earlier this season it didn't look like Copeland was going to do anything this year and now he's playing well. The issue now isn't absorbing the mistakes that come with freshman play. The problem is that we cannot absorb the mistakes that are being made by the seniors. I hate to write it, but Jabril's play tonight was, in my view, the key reason why we fell behind so badly in the first fifteen minutes, and the team had to expend far too much energy playing catch-up. He was out of control offensively, and I counted at least three occasions that he dribbled the ball away into a bad turnover. If this is what we can expect to see from him going forward, JT3 will have no alternative but to limit his minutes. DSR didn't have it tonight, but Kansas's usual leading scorer was not much better (4 for 15) himself, so the Jayhawks had to look to others to step up. The three point shooting (or more accurately, defense) killed us. I'm not going to bash Hopkins at all tonight. Yes, his offense was, well, offensive, but he did a tremendous job defensively and on the boards. He cannot play any better than he did tonight, and we have to appreciate the effort. Trawick had a bad game no question, with the 3 transition turnovers. But the tendency is to focus on Trawick or Hopkins mistakes while ignoring all the freshmen's mistakes. The freshman should improve in time but this board has a tendency to throw the upperclassman under the bus wanting the freshman and bench players to play 40 minutes a game. That is unrealistic. If we are going to go anywhere in the tournament we are going to need the core 7-8 players all playing 20+ minutes a game. Trawick's getting about 25 minutes a game (which is actually quite low for a senior). To limit his minutes anymore is unrealistic and foolish. The lowest I see them going is 20 minutes a game as Copeland's minutes expand into the 20s but that's about it.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 10, 2014 23:29:17 GMT -5
Repeat and wash...hot shooters happen and we all remember them, especially in March. Team, and more importantly coach, should have realized it sooner instead of forgetting where he was. Great move by coach to put Bowen on him but should have happened sooner. I'm a big III fan but that was a miss. I mean he even told the team in the huddle to follow Greene even though he just got his fourth foul. How was it a miss on III if he told them to stick to Greene and they didn't.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 10, 2014 23:36:34 GMT -5
Repeat and wash...hot shooters happen and we all remember them, especially in March. Team, and more importantly coach, should have realized it sooner instead of forgetting where he was. Great move by coach to put Bowen on him but should have happened sooner. I'm a big III fan but that was a miss. I mean he even told the team in the huddle to follow Greene even though he just got his fourth foul. Peak was the guy who lost Greene at least 3 times. I don't put that on Coach. We needed LJ's offense to get back into the game, so we had to live with his glaring mistakes on D.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2014 23:42:27 GMT -5
Why don't we do smart things? In the second half, #4 for Kansas (Graham?) turned his ankle at one point. Stayed on the floor for a bit, then hobbled back to play D. I was surprised that Self didn't sub him out. So, he gets to the D end of the floor, and he's guarding Paul White. Did we pass it to one of our stronger offensive options so he could take the gimpy guy off the dribble? Of course not! We ran our stuff, and I don't think White even touched the ball on that possession. I don't even remember if we scored or not, but I don't understand how no one recognized that and thought "Hey! Let's take advantage of that!"
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Post by GUMBA on Dec 11, 2014 0:16:31 GMT -5
Turnovers. Unforced turnovers. Stupid turnovers. They killed us tonight. They are giving the game away. What happened to our efficient offense? Without Wallace, Wright, Clark or Starks taking better of the rock - we aren't going to win the close ones.
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