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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Dec 11, 2014 17:15:26 GMT -5
DSR did not have a good game. And I am not sure all of it had to do with the way he was being defended, either. He just seemed to have a very off night. Which, by the way, really spoiled Josh's coming out party. Did you guys see the big fella getting up there to snag rbounds, block shots, post up? Love the way he played.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Dec 11, 2014 17:17:45 GMT -5
Not having a seasoned point guard might just be our undoing this year. Markel Starks on this team would be deadly. Seems like we've been just one year off for one position a few times in the JT3 era and it's really cost us opportunities to be elite.... You are absolutely dead on. And I have been saying it for years--We need to stack house. Things happen.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Dec 11, 2014 17:19:59 GMT -5
Markel Starks on this team would be deadly. Seems like we've been just one year off for one position a few times in the JT3 era and it's really cost us opportunities to be elite.... You are absolutely dead on. And I have been saying it for years--We need to stack house. Things happen. To add to the point, someone please tell me why we are carrying three open scholarships right now?
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Post by Talos on Dec 11, 2014 17:42:11 GMT -5
You are absolutely dead on. And I have been saying it for years--We need to stack house. Things happen. To add to the point, someone please tell me why we are carrying three open scholarships right now? I agree we need to use all our scholarships, but we only have one open scholarship right now. For next year, we will have three openings and I'm sure we'll sign 2-3 more recruits for next year.
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Post by Talos on Dec 11, 2014 17:49:25 GMT -5
- Going into the game, I was a little concerned about DSR running point against the KU guards. As we've seen over the past 3 years, DSR occasionally struggles against quick, athletic guards. He really had a hard time getting off a good shot on offense, and couldn't stay in front of them on defense. Watching last night, I was thinking the same thing as other posters: if only we Markel back this year...
- Hopkins is an incredibly polarizing player...and I don't mean among fans' opinions; I mean his game. His defense and rebounding has improved dramatically this year, while his offensive game and ability to finish seems to have gotten even worse (which I didn't think was possible). His defense and rebounding is becoming elite, and we really need him regardless of his offense. I'm a little concerned about next year and who will fill his role as excellent post defender and rebounder.
- The most important thing I noticed is we made up a lot of ground regarding team athleticism from last year's KU game to this year. We were just outclassed athletically at every position last year, but with Copeland/White/Peak we could hold our own. Now the trick is for JTIII to start bringing in great athletes in every recruiting class (so far in 2015 we're coming up empty in that area).
- As many of us stated after Atlantis, we're going to have a hard time winning close games all year if the poor FT shooting and unforced TOs continue.
- I did like the physicality, toughness, and fight in the team last night.
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Post by matersammich on Dec 11, 2014 19:14:30 GMT -5
You are absolutely dead on. And I have been saying it for years--We need to stack house. Things happen. To add to the point, someone please tell me why we are carrying three open scholarships right now? Not for lack of effort. We missed on a bunch of elite guards.
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Post by Eurostar on Dec 11, 2014 21:24:13 GMT -5
DSR actually looked like he lost some of his legs on his shots. Strange because he didn't look tired on defense. I think his defense has improved tremendously this year. He's working harder on D which may make him more tired on offense.
We need to get Smith Rivera at least 5-8 minutes of rest per game this year. Either that means Trey Campbell needs to play 5 min or we need to go with a lineup of several combo guards (ie Peak, Trawick, White).
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 11, 2014 21:36:30 GMT -5
DSR actually looked like he lost some of his legs on his shots. Strange because he didn't look tired on defense. I think his defense has improved tremendously this year. He's working harder on D which may make him more tired on offense. We need to get Smith Rivera at least 5-8 minutes of rest per game this year. Either that means Trey Campbell needs to play 5 min or we need to go with a lineup of several combo guards (ie Peak, Trawick, White). Small sample size but he's playing 5 minutes less than last year. espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/61853/dvauntes-smith-rivera
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Dec 11, 2014 22:45:20 GMT -5
To add to the point, someone please tell me why we are carrying three open scholarships right now? I agree we need to use all our scholarships, but we only have one open scholarship right now. For next year, we will have three openings and I'm sure we'll sign 2-3 more recruits for next year. I stand corrected. Thank you, sir.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2014 5:05:54 GMT -5
Not having a seasoned point guard might just be our undoing this year. Markel Starks on this team would be deadly. Seems like we've been just one year off for one position a few times in the JT3 era and it's really cost us opportunities to be elite.... Agree in theory ... Although chemistry is a funny thing ... Not saying this was the case AT ALL, but I wonder if some of Smith's issues last year were due to coming into a team with an established and opinionated senior leader. You just don't know how some people mesh.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 12, 2014 11:48:56 GMT -5
I think we can all agree that DSR had a horrible game - and aside from the Wisconsin game, he's had trouble getting things going all year. While I do think it's a decent idea to allow DSR to play off-ball on some possessions (which JTIII is already doing), I think the calls for Tre Campbell to start are a little premature.
Aside from Copeland, DSR is still our most efficient player, with an O rating of 118.1 (and that includes the stinker he had last game). In contrast, Campbell's O rating is 94.1 - granted, that's a pretty small sample size and it can certainly improve.
The problem is that if you play Campbell for significant minutes with DSR, you are going to lose minutes from Trawick/Peak/Copeland/White. Their O ratings thus far are 108.6, 100.1, 122.5, and 118.3. Who do you want to play less minutes? There's an argument for Trawick, especially given that his last game was so poor, but even if you do that, do you want less time out of Peak/Copeland/White? I don't.
If DSR absolutely must play off-ball to get things going, then I would support playing Campbell a bit more, but even if he started, how much time is he really going to see before it detrimentally affects the playing time of our other freshman who are outperforming Campbell on the offensive end?
My argument also completely ignores defense. When we add Campbell, we are much smaller (though he seems to have promise on the defensive side), which isn't necessarily a good thing.
Really, if you aren't going to start Trawick, I think the answer is to start Copeland or White - not Campbell.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 12, 2014 12:00:29 GMT -5
When we add Campbell, we are much smaller (though he seems to have promise on the defensive side), which isn't necessarily a good thing. Really, if you aren't going to start Trawick, I think the answer is to start Copeland or White - not Campbell. It's not just being small at Tre Campbell's position. It's a trickle down effect. DSR shifting to shooting guard makes us smaller at the shooting guard compared to having Peak or Trawick there. And Peak at the small forward makes you smaller than say having Paul White or Copeland at the 3. Small Ball can work against some lower teams but when you start facing the elite teams with size it has a tendency to break down.
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 12, 2014 12:04:42 GMT -5
I think we can all agree that DSR had a horrible game - and aside from the Wisconsin game, he's had trouble getting things going all year. While I do think it's a decent idea to allow DSR to play off-ball on some possessions (which JTIII is already doing), I think the calls for Tre Campbell to start are a little premature. Aside from Copeland, DSR is still our most efficient player, with an O rating of 118.1 (and that includes the stinker he had last game). In contrast, Campbell's O rating is 94.1 - granted, that's a pretty small sample size and it can certainly improve. The problem is that if you play Campbell for significant minutes with DSR, you are going to lose minutes from Trawick/Peak/Copeland/White. Their O ratings thus far are 108.6, 100.1, 122.5, and 118.3. Who do you want to play less minutes? There's an argument for Trawick, especially given that his last game was so poor, but even if you do that, do you want less time out of Peak/Copeland/White? I don't. If DSR absolutely must play off-ball to get things going, then I would support playing Campbell a bit more, but even if he started, how much time is he really going to see before it detrimentally affects the playing time of our other freshman who are outperforming Campbell on the offensive end? My argument also completely ignores defense. When we add Campbell, we are much smaller (though he seems to have promise on the defensive side), which isn't necessarily a good thing. Really, if you aren't going to start Trawick, I think the answer is to start Copeland or White - not Campbell. When I've said that Trawick may be better suited to a role off the bench, this is what I had in mind. I don't think Campbell should be starting at all. In my eyes the starting lineup should be DSR - Peak - White - Hopkins - Smith. Both White and Peak can come in and help take ball handling pressure off of DSR. Off the bench Jabril would be ready to either defend their PG or slash against slower SGs. Copeland would be ready to come in at the 4 and give us a different look, moving Hopkins to the 5 or playing with Smith. Finally Bowen can come in and give breaks to either Peak or White as soon as needed. Also, my main concern with DSR is all the energy is he using guarding the opposing team's top guard to start out. We know he can do a decent job but I'd rather see someone else focus on the defensive end to start and let DSR run the offense. It won't always be possible but there are some PGs that I think White and Peak could guard (plus it'd stop Peak from helping too far off a sharpshooter SG).
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 12, 2014 12:28:08 GMT -5
Also, my main concern with DSR is all the energy is he using guarding the opposing team's top guard to start out. We know he can do a decent job but I'd rather see someone else focus on the defensive end to start and let DSR run the offense. It won't always be possible but there are some PGs that I think White and Peak could guard (plus it'd stop Peak from helping too far off a sharpshooter SG). What DSR really needs at the point is a Mark Jackson/Andre Miller type back down hook shot. That kind of shot is unstoppable against smaller guards and will force the opposition to reevaluate the matchup and/or lead to foul trouble.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 14, 2014 0:27:42 GMT -5
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Post by njhoya78 on Dec 14, 2014 0:42:12 GMT -5
Well, that explains why Graham played 18 minutes against the Hoyas and didn't play at all today against Utah. That's a big loss for KU, and makes today's win against the Utes that much more impressive.
According to Bill Self, the toe injury occurred when Joshua Smith stepped on Graham's foot. Self says that Wayne Selden will assume more ball-handling responsibility now, since the Jayhawks are down to one point guard (Frank Mason) since Connor Frankamp's transfer to Wichita State.
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