hoyaboya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 12,369
Member is Online
|
Post by hoyaboya on Apr 9, 2015 13:50:11 GMT -5
I think Isaac has the talent and will have the opportunity to score 17 points per game next season. This conversation is about Isaac Copeland. It has nothing to do with DSR But it does. Isaac isn't playing in a vacuum. He is on a team with other players that also get opportunities to get the ball. I agree with the premise that he is good enough to avg 17 and 7 but it just won't happen. I'm with Hometown Hoya. Big Isaac Copeland fan and expect him to have a breakout season next year. But the national player of the year, Frank Kaminsky, just averaged 18 and 8 in an extremely efficient offensive season. 17 and 7 from Copeland seems like a major stretch. I'd be happy with 13 and 6 and think he's more than capable of that.
|
|
|
Post by Ranch Dressing on Apr 9, 2015 14:18:37 GMT -5
Issac will be somewhere in the 11-13 range next year, as long as DSR remains the focal point of the offense.
|
|
TBird41
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
"Roy! I Love All 7'2" of you Roy!"
Posts: 8,740
|
Post by TBird41 on Apr 9, 2015 14:20:23 GMT -5
I think Isaac has the talent and will have the opportunity to score 17 points per game next season. This conversation is about Isaac Copeland. It has nothing to do with DSR But it does. Isaac isn't playing in a vacuum. He is on a team with other players that also get opportunities to get the ball. I agree with the premise that he is good enough to avg 17 and 7 but it just won't happen. The article was originally posted before DSR decided to come back for his senior year. In that case, Isaac going for 17 & 7 makes sense. Bringing back DSR makes it a lot less likely that Copeland will get there, because Ike won't be the sole focus anymore.
|
|
|
Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 9, 2015 15:12:04 GMT -5
C'mon guys, we WANT Ike at 17 and 7 next year - with our other weapons, those numbers make us a real factor. He absolutely had the ability. It will be very hard - but he will work his butt off this summer, so here is to the possibilities.
|
|
blueandgray
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 6,754
|
Post by blueandgray on Apr 9, 2015 16:00:19 GMT -5
As soon as Isaac was inserted as a starter this season, he went on a 3 or 4 game stretch where he averaged 17. It's certainly doable, but somewhere between 13 and 15 is more likely. With regard to the rebounding, I'd be very happy with 6 rpg. Now if while Isaac is doing that and DSR is doing his thing, Paul can go for 12 and 4....we'd be in good shape.
|
|
hoyazeke
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 5,816
|
Post by hoyazeke on Apr 9, 2015 17:13:45 GMT -5
I was thinking 17 and 4. Ike isn't a natural rebounder. Unless he gets a lot stronger I wouldn't be surprised if he is in the 3s on average. But if the shot clock is indeed lowered I would expect the team to average around 70pts/gm. DSR and Ike can both be in the 16-20 range. That would leave 35-40 between LJ, PW, Tre and Jessie.
|
|
TBird41
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
"Roy! I Love All 7'2" of you Roy!"
Posts: 8,740
|
Post by TBird41 on Apr 9, 2015 17:41:56 GMT -5
I was thinking 17 and 4. Ike isn't a natural rebounder. Unless he gets a lot stronger I wouldn't be surprised if he is in the 3s on average. But if the shot clock is indeed lowered I would expect the team to average around 70pts/gm. DSR and Ike can both be in the 16-20 range. That would leave 35-40 between LJ, PW, Tre and Jessie. That'd be really disappointing if he only averaged 4 rebounds a game, considering he averaged 3.8 rebounds a game last year and 5.1 rebounds per game in conference play.
|
|
hoyainspirit
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
When life puts that voodoo on me, music is my gris-gris.
Posts: 8,393
|
Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 9, 2015 17:58:55 GMT -5
Ike hit the defensive boards well as the year went on.
|
|
rockhoya
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 3,830
|
Post by rockhoya on Apr 9, 2015 18:11:04 GMT -5
Otto as good as he was avg’d just under 17… Would have to have a great summer to pull that off And Jeff averaged 13.5, different circumstances. Is that really your point?
|
|
rockhoya
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 3,830
|
Post by rockhoya on Apr 9, 2015 18:14:50 GMT -5
I was thinking 17 and 4. Ike isn't a natural rebounder. Unless he gets a lot stronger I wouldn't be surprised if he is in the 3s on average. But if the shot clock is indeed lowered I would expect the team to average around 70pts/gm. DSR and Ike can both be in the 16-20 range. That would leave 35-40 between LJ, PW, Tre and Jessie. He was the best rebounder on our team last year, as declared by his teammates. Keep up.
|
|
prhoya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 23,302
Member is Online
|
Post by prhoya on Apr 9, 2015 18:26:14 GMT -5
I was thinking 17 and 4. Ike isn't a natural rebounder. Unless he gets a lot stronger I wouldn't be surprised if he is in the 3s on average. But if the shot clock is indeed lowered I would expect the team to average around 70pts/gm. DSR and Ike can both be in the 16-20 range. That would leave 35-40 between LJ, PW, Tre and Jessie. He was the best rebounder on our team last year, as declared by his teammates. Keep up. Our best returning rebounder is DSR, with Ike second. Everyone will need to step up.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 18:38:24 GMT -5
Otto as good as he was avg’d just under 17… Would have to have a great summer to pull that off And Jeff averaged 13.5, different circumstances. Is that really your point? I think my point is was he "would have to have a great summer to pull that off" what's yours?
|
|
rockhoya
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 3,830
|
Post by rockhoya on Apr 9, 2015 20:05:20 GMT -5
He was the best rebounder on our team last year, as declared by his teammates. Keep up. Our best returning rebounder is DSR, with Ike second. Everyone will need to step up. Well according to DSR, he considered Ike to be a better revounder than him, so no
|
|
rockhoya
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 3,830
|
Post by rockhoya on Apr 9, 2015 20:06:05 GMT -5
And Jeff averaged 13.5, different circumstances. Is that really your point? I think my point is was he "would have to have a great summer to pull that off" what's yours? That every player has a different set of circumstances to deal with.
|
|
tashoya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 12,321
|
Post by tashoya on Apr 9, 2015 20:38:02 GMT -5
Isaac isn't bulky but he does have a good sense of where to be to grab boards. 4 a game seems low for him as a starter playing big minutes but we'll see. As for the scoring, considering the personnel, I'd expect that there will be many games when different guys will contribute as opposed to leaning too heavily on one or two guys every game. A lower per game average is probably actually a good thing for the team if it means that contributions are distributed a bit as a result of LJ and Paul and Tre putting in work in the off-season and making jumps as well. In any case, regardless of the specific numbers, it's fun too have guys with so much potential that we're disagreeing on how good they're going to be as opposed to glaring weaknesses. Nice problem to have. Of course, potential means little unless it's realized but I have that concern with this group of guys.
|
|
prhoya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 23,302
Member is Online
|
Post by prhoya on Apr 9, 2015 21:44:04 GMT -5
Our best returning rebounder is DSR, with Ike second. Everyone will need to step up. Well according to DSR, he considered Ike to be a better revounder than him, so no Numbers don't lie. It shows how humble DSR is.
|
|
|
Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 9, 2015 22:27:35 GMT -5
DSR had a higher rebounds per game average. Ike had a higher rebound per minutes played average. Let's hope they both bump their numbers next season. Then we can find something else to argue about.
|
|
tashoya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 12,321
|
Post by tashoya on Apr 9, 2015 22:49:21 GMT -5
DSR had a higher rebounds per game average. Ike had a higher rebound per minutes played average. Let's hope they both bump their numbers next season. Then we can find something else to argue about. DSR is a great rebounding guard. That's not even taking into account his size. For his size, he's phenomenal. He just gets it done. Isaac is, by nature of his position, given more opportunities to board. Just looking at Isaac, he shouldn't get as many boards as he does. He just has a knack for it. He's even skinnier than Otto and Otto should have had no business getting the number of rebounds that he did just by looking at him. Those are guys that just know where to be. Add to that that Isaac can get up above taller players and jump into the lane to snatch some. The fact that DSR and Isaac rebound the way they do is a testament to those two individuals. You can teach fundamentals but those two guys just know where to be before the guys around them. Isaac will have more rebounds than DSR but is he a better rebounder? Difficult to say when you consider their positions. For a guy that isn't the most athletic guy on the court, look at DSR's numbers. Pretty eye-opening.
|
|
kchoya
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Enter your message here...
Posts: 9,934
|
Post by kchoya on Apr 9, 2015 23:40:36 GMT -5
Jeez, this is going to be a looooonnnngggg off-season.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 0:53:46 GMT -5
I think my point is was he "would have to have a great summer to pull that off" what's yours? That every player has a different set of circumstances to deal with. I agree….Is there some type of circumstance where a player increases his avg by 10 pts and 3 boards in a season that doesn’t involve him having a Great Summer, or what is your issue with what I wrote?
|
|