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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 1, 2015 21:54:08 GMT -5
I'm pretty "meh" on this one. I really wanted Williams, thought he would have been a good use of a scholly for 3 years. Carter I'm OK with, I guess, as a 4th guard only using 1 year of a scholarship. I don't know enough about Kaleb Johnson to know if Carter potentially stunting his growth is a good or bad idea. I know about Carter, and though he's not good, he might be a decent insurance policy if something were to happen to DSR or Tre.
As for the comment on more than 1 sophomore potentially leaving after next season, either somebody has an overly elevated opinion of himself, or an enormous leap needs to be made in his game. I assume it's LJ Peak that would join Copeland, and he has a very long way to go before being anywhere near an NBA player. He needs to clean up his conditioning and learn how to shoot from the outside, in particular. Very good talent, strong freshman season, but he's nowhere near a pro at this point. Unlike Ike, he doesn't have elite length/athleticism going for him at his position. From an NBA standpoint, he's just another somewhat undersized swingman that can't shoot real well.
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Post by prhoya on Jun 1, 2015 22:37:24 GMT -5
No one said "meaningful minutes" for him. In fact, next season, there are no meaningful minutes for him. He will be a role player. Can he handle that? That is the key. But, it's his only chance to go far in the NCAAs. What role does he play. Insurance. Take it or leave it. He gets a fair and square shot at pt. That's it... oh, and a trip to Italy and March Madness.
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Post by kchoya on Jun 1, 2015 23:58:05 GMT -5
Granted, his shooting percentage hasn't been great, but the kid can score. He averaged 15 ppg as a sophomore at Rutgers and is a good ball handler. I certainly would take him for a year. He may be visiting later this week. FWIW, he also led Florida in scoring 5 times last season. IMHO, this is our year to make a run and we would benefit from having Carter in our arsenal. After this year, we know we lose DSR, and my guess is that we lose at least one but probably two of the sophs. We need to win this year and having Carter certainly wouldn't hurt. Seriously? There's a chance Copeland jumps, but no one else is close.
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Post by kchoya on Jun 1, 2015 23:59:00 GMT -5
That tweet needs more punctuation.
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Jun 2, 2015 1:38:58 GMT -5
FWIW, Rothstein has it as an official visit.
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Post by jld54 on Jun 2, 2015 7:13:27 GMT -5
Carter will provide depth in the backcourt, which is the one weakness with the team next year.
He would not interfere with the development of Caleb as they play two different positions. I agree that he does not have stellar stats but he played for Rutgers, and for an unusually weak Florida team. He also was coming off a serious injury last year and this may have affected his play. If he plays within the system he can give DSR and Campbell a few minutes off per game during the season, and this should pay off at the end of the year re: being fresh down the stretch and in tourney conditions, with back to back games or one day off in the NCAAs.
He will not tie up a scholarship after next year and should be content to play a backup role and get a year of free education and a very good shot of going to the NCAA tournament. So if the staff wants him then why not go with him?
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Post by blueandgray on Jun 2, 2015 7:52:41 GMT -5
FWIW, he also led Florida in scoring 5 times last season. IMHO, this is our year to make a run and we would benefit from having Carter in our arsenal. After this year, we know we lose DSR, and my guess is that we lose at least one but probably two of the sophs. We need to win this year and having Carter certainly wouldn't hurt. Seriously? There's a chance Copeland jumps, but no one else is close. I am serious. Everyone assumes that I am referring to making making a jump to the NBA....I'm not. All I am saying is that there is a good possibility we lose two. I could very well be wrong.... My point being, we have to take advantage of the team we have and if we can get one more guy who can contribute immediately, you take him.
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Post by matersammich on Jun 2, 2015 8:16:23 GMT -5
Seriously? There's a chance Copeland jumps, but no one else is close. I am serious. Everyone assumes that I am referring to making making a jump to the NBA....I'm not. All I am saying is that there is a good possibility we lose two. I could very well be wrong.... My point being, we have to take advantage of the team we have and if we can get one more guy who can contribute immediately, you take him. I'd go all in on next year. If Carter can handle not being 'the man', having depth could be the difference between a long run in the tournament and an unfortunate early exit. Regarding 2 sophomores leaving I agree that Copeland is the guy who will be most ready but didn't one of our players just have a life changing addition to his family?
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 2, 2015 8:57:20 GMT -5
I'm pretty "meh" on this one. I really wanted Williams, thought he would have been a good use of a scholly for 3 years. Carter I'm OK with, I guess, as a 4th guard only using 1 year of a scholarship. I don't know enough about Kaleb Johnson to know if Carter potentially stunting his growth is a good or bad idea. I know about Carter, and though he's not good, he might be a decent insurance policy if something were to happen to DSR or Tre. As for the comment on more than 1 sophomore potentially leaving after next season, either somebody has an overly elevated opinion of himself, or an enormous leap needs to be made in his game. I assume it's LJ Peak that would join Copeland, and he has a very long way to go before being anywhere near an NBA player. He needs to clean up his conditioning and learn how to shoot from the outside, in particular. Very good talent, strong freshman season, but he's nowhere near a pro at this point. Unlike Ike, he doesn't have elite length/athleticism going for him at his position. From an NBA standpoint, he's just another somewhat undersized swingman that can't shoot real well. Lol he has better length/athleticism for his position than Ike does. He's a two with great length and great athleticism. Ike is a great athlete, but his length is only (below) average for his position. Don't forget he has a 6'10" wingspan....that's shorter than Austin's
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Post by aristides on Jun 2, 2015 9:17:51 GMT -5
Seriously? There's a chance Copeland jumps, but no one else is close. I am serious. Everyone assumes that I am referring to making making a jump to the NBA....I'm not. All I am saying is that there is a good possibility we lose two. I could very well be wrong.... My point being, we have to take advantage of the team we have and if we can get one more guy who can contribute immediately, you take him. Say it ain't so B&G! This sophomore class looks to be the gift that keeps on giving. I'll hope your wrong. I find Carter's visit a little puzzling. I would have thought he'd want to go someplace where there would be more minutes.
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Post by calhoya on Jun 2, 2015 9:42:36 GMT -5
Seriously? There's a chance Copeland jumps, but no one else is close. I am serious. Everyone assumes that I am referring to making making a jump to the NBA....I'm not. All I am saying is that there is a good possibility we lose two. I could very well be wrong.... My point being, we have to take advantage of the team we have and if we can get one more guy who can contribute immediately, you take him. Agree with B&G. The world of NCAA basketball has changed dramatically and is very much a win now sport. The days of building a team and developing prospects are gone--at least with respect to teams that are trying to be annual contenders. Kentucky has been the catalyst, but even programs like Duke, Louisville and Kansas are experiencing annual turnover among younger players. The dilemma for schools like Georgetown is simple--recruit 4-5 star players with the assumption that they are 2 year players at most or step back and lower sights to 3 star players with great upside. I doubt that the fan base is willing to accept a reduction in the quality of recruits. It is sad, but for most kids with significant talent and potential and perhaps an earning window of 10 years, they simply cannot afford to sacrifice 1-2 years of potential earnings to finish out a college basketball career. I also seriously doubt if the new full cost of living scholarships will make much difference with the higher caliber recruits. The difference between what the kids will make under the new approach and what they could make in even mid-level professional leagues in Europe will be substantial.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 2, 2015 10:01:10 GMT -5
The difference between what the kids will make under the new approach and what they could make in even mid-level professional leagues in Europe will be substantial. Does anybody know how much these types of players really make? I am just curious. If they make several hundred thousand dollars a year, then I see the point. However, if they make, let's say 100,000 in Europe I don't think it's nearly as easy a decision. Think of it this way: the value of a one year scholarship to Georgetown with tuition/room and board is valued at approximately 60,000 and you don't need to pay tax on that. Considering that you're essentially getting that value PLUS possibly a degree, I actually don't think it's a no brainer to go to Europe. Also, for guys who aren't going to earn so much in the NBA that they will never need to work again (i.e., most of them), having a college education probably increases their post-basketball earnings by enough to easily outweigh a small amount made in Europe. As I said, if the guys in Europe or Asia are really making mid six figures, then my point is moot, but I am skeptical that guys who aren't stars who go to Europe really make enough money in their first couple of years to make it an easy decision to forego finishing school. Granted, I acknowledge most 17 or 18 year olds don't look at it with this type of perspective.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Jun 2, 2015 10:54:42 GMT -5
I am serious. Everyone assumes that I am referring to making making a jump to the NBA....I'm not. All I am saying is that there is a good possibility we lose two. I could very well be wrong.... My point being, we have to take advantage of the team we have and if we can get one more guy who can contribute immediately, you take him. Agree with B&G. The world of NCAA basketball has changed dramatically and is very much a win now sport. The days of building a team and developing prospects are gone--at least with respect to teams that are trying to be annual contenders. Kentucky has been the catalyst, but even programs like Duke, Louisville and Kansas are experiencing annual turnover among younger players. The dilemma for schools like Georgetown is simple--recruit 4-5 star players with the assumption that they are 2 year players at most or step back and lower sights to 3 star players with great upside. I doubt that the fan base is willing to accept a reduction in the quality of recruits. It is sad, but for most kids with significant talent and potential and perhaps an earning window of 10 years, they simply cannot afford to sacrifice 1-2 years of potential earnings to finish out a college basketball career. I also seriously doubt if the new full cost of living scholarships will make much difference with the higher caliber recruits. The difference between what the kids will make under the new approach and what they could make in even mid-level professional leagues in Europe will be substantial. Don't forget, LJP Jr is gonna be crawling by the end of next basketball season. It will be an inevitable consideration by the end of LJ's sophomore year at Georgetown.
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Post by calhoya on Jun 2, 2015 11:23:31 GMT -5
I understand the value of a college education and in particular a degree from a prestigious university. That said, you are imposing a value system on these kids that many do not share. These kids typically grow up living and breathing basketball 24/7. They do not grow up thinking of a future in engineering or law, but rather starring for their favorite professional team. Many do not choose a college based upon academics, but rather based upon how it will help them achieve their long term goals. This is really no different than most of us, but the goals are different. That is why a school like Georgetown can lose out on a recruit to far inferior schools academically. It's about values. If the Hoyas are going to be in play for the top line recruits they must adjust their perspective in many instances to account for the kid's value system. Alternatively, we simply limit recruiting to those student/athletes who have academic goals that are more in line with the typical Georgetown student. What should not occur is to be shocked when a recruit is brought in and then abandons the classroom the minute eligibility is gone or a season ends.
With respect to salaries, I can tell you that our law firm has represented a number of college athletes over the years who have ended up signing contracts with teams in Europe, South America, Mexico, New Zealand and Australia. Others have gone on to play for the Athletes in Action program and travel throughout the world. These are kids who were good players in college but not necessarily spectacular. Some were four star recruits. None were future NBA players but each is earning a good amount of money while living in a community that is typically much cheaper than almost any place they would have lived in the US. Are they all making more than $100,000? Many are, but the answer is no. One of them started in Mexico at $65,000 US dollars and is making about $85,000 now while living in a town where the average pay is about $4-$5 /hour. His standard of living and lifestyle is much better than a young professional making the same amount of money and living in San Diego or LA. Also, his salary is also being earned for working only part of the year.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 11:28:33 GMT -5
Can we worry about Next Year, Next Year?
So many things can happen between now and then, it really is pointless speculating...
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 2, 2015 12:01:28 GMT -5
The dilemma for schools like Georgetown is simple--recruit 4-5 star players with the assumption that they are 2 year players at most or step back and lower sights to 3 star players with great upside. I doubt that the fan base is willing to accept a reduction in the quality of recruits. The fan base has very little say in the matter. Those decisions begin and end at the highest levels of the University and they will protect the brand image of Georgetown if the one (or two) and dones are adversely affecting the University. Georgetown has been remarkably fortunate that some of the off-court issues that have affected basketball players (even in the Big East) have been avoided. If those were to become a problem, actions would be taken.
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Post by hoyazeke on Jun 2, 2015 13:21:39 GMT -5
I don't have inside info but I work under the assumption that we will lose 3 starters next year if we have a year similar to last year. Only one is because of graduation. I don't know who is a decent student so I leave academics out of my assumption. I won't speculate but we all know the 3. Not to ruin anyone's day but if the year is real good we could lose 4......
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jun 2, 2015 13:22:22 GMT -5
I'm pretty "meh" on this one. I really wanted Williams, thought he would have been a good use of a scholly for 3 years. Carter I'm OK with, I guess, as a 4th guard only using 1 year of a scholarship. I don't know enough about Kaleb Johnson to know if Carter potentially stunting his growth is a good or bad idea. I know about Carter, and though he's not good, he might be a decent insurance policy if something were to happen to DSR or Tre. As for the comment on more than 1 sophomore potentially leaving after next season, either somebody has an overly elevated opinion of himself, or an enormous leap needs to be made in his game. I assume it's LJ Peak that would join Copeland, and he has a very long way to go before being anywhere near an NBA player. He needs to clean up his conditioning and learn how to shoot from the outside, in particular. Very good talent, strong freshman season, but he's nowhere near a pro at this point. Unlike Ike, he doesn't have elite length/athleticism going for him at his position. From an NBA standpoint, he's just another somewhat undersized swingman that can't shoot real well. Lol he has better length/athleticism for his position than Ike does. He's a two with great length and great athleticism. Ike is a great athlete, but his length is only average for his position. Don't forget he has a 6'10" wingspan....that's shorter than Austin's For a first yr player who got off to a slow start, I thought Ike rebounded well, especially as the season progressed. His rebounding rate from the second Creighton game on was excellent.
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 2, 2015 16:09:33 GMT -5
I am serious. Everyone assumes that I am referring to making making a jump to the NBA....I'm not. All I am saying is that there is a good possibility we lose two. I could very well be wrong.... My point being, we have to take advantage of the team we have and if we can get one more guy who can contribute immediately, you take him. Say it ain't so B&G! This sophomore class looks to be the gift that keeps on giving. I'll hope your wrong. I find Carter's visit a little puzzling. I would have thought he'd want to go someplace where there would be more minutes. You would think we would know better by now about equating a visit to a commitment.
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