rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 2, 2015 16:13:39 GMT -5
Can we worry about Next Year, Next Year? So many things can happen between now and then, it really is pointless speculating... Is this sarcasm? I really can't tell
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jun 2, 2015 16:14:58 GMT -5
Listen, these guys need to be encouraged to stay in school, develop to their full potential as basketball players and get rid of this silly notion that they are going to be ready for the NBA after one or two years. Quite frankly, I don't see anything wrong with sticking one's toe in the water to test the water, but don't go out their hiring agents prematurely. The most skilled player we have had in a long time was Porter. I think if you asked him he would say to Copeland and whoever else, stay until you are more than ready in your hearts and wallets. I can appreciate the urge to support self an family by chancing it in the NBA. However, I believe that one extra year can really make the difference of being a possible pick or a definite pick. I think any of our guys who are struggling to play at NBA speed would offer the same advice to our current young players. Having said that, I would hope that all of our players, with the exception of DSR, stick around for at least one more year.
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Talos
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Post by Talos on Jun 2, 2015 16:19:44 GMT -5
I'm pretty "meh" on this one. I really wanted Williams, thought he would have been a good use of a scholly for 3 years. Carter I'm OK with, I guess, as a 4th guard only using 1 year of a scholarship. I don't know enough about Kaleb Johnson to know if Carter potentially stunting his growth is a good or bad idea. I know about Carter, and though he's not good, he might be a decent insurance policy if something were to happen to DSR or Tre. As for the comment on more than 1 sophomore potentially leaving after next season, either somebody has an overly elevated opinion of himself, or an enormous leap needs to be made in his game. I assume it's LJ Peak that would join Copeland, and he has a very long way to go before being anywhere near an NBA player. He needs to clean up his conditioning and learn how to shoot from the outside, in particular. Very good talent, strong freshman season, but he's nowhere near a pro at this point. Unlike Ike, he doesn't have elite length/athleticism going for him at his position. From an NBA standpoint, he's just another somewhat undersized swingman that can't shoot real well. Lol he has better length/athleticism for his position than Ike does. He's a two with great length and great athleticism. Ike is a great athlete, but his length is only (below) average for his position. Don't forget he has a 6'10" wingspan....that's shorter than Austin's I disagree. Peak needs to completely overhaul his jumper to even be considered a 2, and even as a 2 his size and athleticism is average for an NBA 2. Watching Copeland and Peak last year, I think Copeland showed he was a better leaper and quicker getting off the ground than Peak. I also think Peak put on some weight since he graduated HS, which made him look less quick and explosive than he was in HS. How many college 3s have the size and athleticism of Copeland? Very few do, while Peak went up against a lot of 2s who could match his size and athleticism, and IMO that's why he struggled sometimes outside of the first and last games.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 2, 2015 18:40:40 GMT -5
I think HoyaTalk has a tendency to over estimate who is leaving. If we have 3-4 players leave after this season it will almost certainly mean we had a great season. I would trade that for a Final Four.
For all the talk of guys leaving early, as Yaboy said a lot can happen in a year. Guys can have great seasons, awful seasons, injuries, etc. As long as the staff keeps bringing in solid classes we don't have much to worry about.
We should never worry about guys leaving for the NBA because it means that we probably had a really good season. Now, Europe is another story and it really depends on the person, their desires, and their dreams.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 18:54:49 GMT -5
I think HoyaTalk has a tendency to over estimate who is leaving. If we have 3-4 players leave after this season it will almost certainly mean we had a great season. I would trade that for a Final Four. For all the talk of guys leaving early, as Yaboy said a lot can happen in a year. Guys can have great seasons, awful seasons, injuries, etc. As long as the staff keeps bringing in solid classes we don't have much to worry about. We should never worry about guys leaving for the NBA because it means that we probably had a really good season. Now, Europe is another story and it really depends on the person, their desires, and their dreams. Ya Think??? www.nbadraft.net/2016mock_draftwww.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2016/
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Post by ksf42001 on Jun 2, 2015 19:22:41 GMT -5
I think HoyaTalk has a tendency to over estimate who is leaving. If we have 3-4 players leave after this season it will almost certainly mean we had a great season. I would trade that for a Final Four. For all the talk of guys leaving early, as Yaboy said a lot can happen in a year. Guys can have great seasons, awful seasons, injuries, etc. As long as the staff keeps bringing in solid classes we don't have much to worry about. We should never worry about guys leaving for the NBA because it means that we probably had a really good season. Now, Europe is another story and it really depends on the person, their desires, and their dreams. Ya Think??? www.nbadraft.net/2016mock_draftwww.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2016/Haha, Devin Robinson (who I'd rate Copeland higher than) is a high lottery pick on one list and not listed at all on the other.
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 2, 2015 20:08:12 GMT -5
Lol he has better length/athleticism for his position than Ike does. He's a two with great length and great athleticism. Ike is a great athlete, but his length is only (below) average for his position. Don't forget he has a 6'10" wingspan....that's shorter than Austin's I disagree. Peak needs to completely overhaul his jumper to even be considered a 2, and even as a 2 his size and athleticism is average for an NBA 2. Watching Copeland and Peak last year, I think Copeland showed he was a better leaper and quicker getting off the ground than Peak. I also think Peak put on some weight since he graduated HS, which made him look less quick and explosive than he was in HS. How many college 3s have the size and athleticism of Copeland? Very few do, while Peak went up against a lot of 2s who could match his size and athleticism, and IMO that's why he struggled sometimes outside of the first and last games. Copeland is also pretty average athleticism for his position if we're going to be talking about the NBA and using the same standards. Just because he had tired legs last year from logging so many minutes doesn't mean Lj can't make a jump and get back to his above average standards.....stop living in the past, the nature of college basketball, and of many talented Hoyas, is to improve each year. Just because you don't like the way his jumper comes out of his hand doesn't mean he's not a guard
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 21:09:02 GMT -5
Haha, Devin Robinson (who I'd rate Copeland higher than) is a high lottery pick on one list and not listed at all on the other. Haha... Yeah, and no doubt guys can break out. I'm just pointing out that they have a ways to go, there's a ton of solid kids on those lists also. I'm not trying to debate their merits, just pointing out work still has to be done. I don't think a kid like Ike in particular leaves unless he's firmly in the 1st round. If he has that type of season, great!
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Post by professorhoya on Jun 2, 2015 21:40:02 GMT -5
Carter will provide depth in the backcourt, which is the one weakness with the team next year. He would not interfere with the development of Caleb as they play two different positions. I agree that he does not have stellar stats but he played for Rutgers, and for an unusually weak Florida team. He also was coming off a serious injury last year and this may have affected his play. If he plays within the system he can give DSR and Campbell a few minutes off per game during the season, and this should pay off at the end of the year re: being fresh down the stretch and in tourney conditions, with back to back games or one day off in the NCAAs. He will not tie up a scholarship after next year and should be content to play a backup role and get a year of free education and a very good shot of going to the NCAA tournament. So if the staff wants him then why not go with him? I just don't see room for him. LJ Peak's best position is shooting guard (and it's the position he will have to play at the next level) and will play 30-40 min a game. Copeland's best position is small forward (similar to Porter). I expect them to play the majority of the minutes at those positions next year, which makes us very tall and long and gives us the best chance to win. DSR will play the majority of the minutes at the point and the remaining minutes coming at the 2 when they decide to go small and play Tre at point. So between those 3 and Kaleb Johnson there are no minutes for Eli Carter. And if Carter is getting minutes it's at the expense of Peak, DSR or Tre. (who I would prefer out there. Carter is very small for a shooting guard at 6-2 (compromising our length and defense) Basically I see Eli Carter as the 3rd back up point guard who is stuck to the bench.
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Post by professorhoya on Jun 2, 2015 21:50:59 GMT -5
Lol he has better length/athleticism for his position than Ike does. He's a two with great length and great athleticism. Ike is a great athlete, but his length is only (below) average for his position. Don't forget he has a 6'10" wingspan....that's shorter than Austin's I disagree. Peak needs to completely overhaul his jumper to even be considered a 2, and even as a 2 his size and athleticism is average for an NBA 2. Watching Copeland and Peak last year, I think Copeland showed he was a better leaper and quicker getting off the ground than Peak. I also think Peak put on some weight since he graduated HS, which made him look less quick and explosive than he was in HS. How many college 3s have the size and athleticism of Copeland? Very few do, while Peak went up against a lot of 2s who could match his size and athleticism, and IMO that's why he struggled sometimes outside of the first and last games. Peak has no chance as a 3 at the NBA level or probably even the D League, Europe level. His best chance at the next level is at shooting guard. Copeland is a natural 3 and that is the position he will play at the next level. At worst (barring injury) Copeland will be like a Chandler Persons type player and Parsons gets 16 million a year.
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Post by wnyhoya on Jun 4, 2015 10:23:27 GMT -5
Anyone know if Carter has made it to campus?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2015 10:28:25 GMT -5
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jul 8, 2015 10:45:32 GMT -5
Memphis leading scorer Austin Nichols to transfer according to his father. Memphis refuses to grant release. tigerj softly weeps.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jul 8, 2015 11:56:08 GMT -5
Memphis leading scorer Austin Nichols to transfer according to his father. Memphis refuses to grant release. tigerj softly weeps. Is this one of the 4-5 guys tigerj was insisting were one and dones? If so, then it won't matter.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jul 8, 2015 13:10:07 GMT -5
Memphis leading scorer Austin Nichols to transfer according to his father. Memphis refuses to grant release. tigerj softly weeps. Is this one of the 4-5 guys tigerj was insisting were one and dones? If so, then it won't matter. Just cleaning out the riffraff I guess.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Jul 8, 2015 13:17:59 GMT -5
Is this one of the 4-5 guys tigerj was insisting were one and dones? If so, then it won't matter. Just cleaning out the riffraff I guess. Did someone say Riff Raff?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 11:53:27 GMT -5
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deacon
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Post by deacon on Jul 15, 2015 12:19:36 GMT -5
Very talented kid. Hope we get involved.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jul 15, 2015 13:53:55 GMT -5
Can he play right away?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jul 16, 2015 11:40:21 GMT -5
Very talented kid. Hope we get involved. His offensive efficiency was 83.8%. That is absolutely horrible. His turnover rate was about 20%, he only shot 40.3% on twos, and 29.1% on threes. I don't see how he could possibly be eligible to play until after this season, so I would think someone in the class of 2016 might be better and carry less baggage.
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