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Post by grokamok on Mar 21, 2014 21:14:39 GMT -5
The ACC doesn't have ragtag teams? No. Their teams are either basestars, raiders or freighters.
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Post by Buckets on Mar 21, 2014 21:15:51 GMT -5
Georgetown needs to be good. That's all I care about. I don't care what conference we are in, what network our games are on, who else in our conference makes the tournament, etc.. No one at Marquette is worried about us, so I'm not worried about them. Call it short-sighted all you want, but if we're good, nothing else matters. Not if Rick Pitino is coaching another team in our conference, if we ever play Syracuse again, if Jay Bilas gets a tattoo on his forehead that the Big East doesn't exist and all of this other nonsense people on here freak out about as if it has anything to do with how JTIII goes about making sure Georgetown hangs a national championship banner. Argue all you want, but as a fanbase, I wish we'd just stop wallowing in our own self pity about things that shouldn't matter to us. Marquette is a good job, they should get a good coach. If they don't, I don't care. This is all well and good, but part of what you sign up for as a college sports fan is that what 17-year-old kids (who may help your program win basketball games) think does matter. If they don't think of your conference as a premiere conference, and they want to be on ESPN, then it matters. I don't think any of us aspire to have the opinions of teenagers have a material impact on our life, and yet here we are.
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Post by tashoya on Mar 21, 2014 21:18:28 GMT -5
The ACC doesn't have ragtag teams? Has a whole lot more cache than the "new Big East". I guess. Also has a lot more crappy teams. I'm not sure why anyone is writing the BE obit just yet but, if that's your opinion, have at it. Personally, I love that Buzz is taking a crap job in the ACC. Let him fester and die there coaching a team that wishes they were Butler or Xavier in basketball. I hope that the parity in the BE continues and that the tide rises for every program as opposed to the ACC where it's UNC/Duke and Cuse being jammed down viewers' throats this year. I'm very interested to see the future of Cuse when Boeheim finally retires.
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Post by deacon on Mar 21, 2014 21:36:13 GMT -5
Georgetown needs to be good. That's all I care about. I don't care what conference we are in, what network our games are on, who else in our conference makes the tournament, etc.. No one at Marquette is worried about us, so I'm not worried about them. Call it short-sighted all you want, but if we're good, nothing else matters. Not if Rick Pitino is coaching another team in our conference, if we ever play Syracuse again, if Jay Bilas gets a tattoo on his forehead that the Big East doesn't exist and all of this other nonsense people on here freak out about as if it has anything to do with how JTIII goes about making sure Georgetown hangs a national championship banner. Argue all you want, but as a fanbase, I wish we'd just stop wallowing in our own self pity about things that shouldn't matter to us. Marquette is a good job, they should get a good coach. If they don't, I don't care. This is all well and good, but part of what you sign up for as a college sports fan is that what 17-year-old kids (who may help your program win basketball games) think does matter. If they don't think of your conference as a premiere conference, and they want to be on ESPN, then it matters. I don't think any of us aspire to have the opinions of teenagers have a material impact on our life, and yet here we are. Our conference games aren't on ESPN now and the perception of the Big East isn't stellar, but so what. Adjust, scout accordingly and recruit guys who want to be here and stop whining about what you don't have and whether ESPN likes us or not. It's getting old.
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Post by bmartin on Mar 21, 2014 21:41:13 GMT -5
The ACC was a terrible league this year. They had 7 of 15 teams that did not make either the NCAA or NIT, yet the bad teams had wins against the NCAA teams. VA Tech was 2-16. They only beat Miami twice. BC was 4-14, but they beat Syracuse. Wake was 6-12 but they beat Duke, UNC, and NC State. GA Tech was 6-12 but they beat Syracuse. Notre Dame was 6-12 but they beat Duke. Miami was 7-11 but they beat UNC and NC State. Maryland was 9-9 and beat Virginia.
Pitt was the only ACC team that did not lose to a non-NCAA/NIT team in conference play.
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Post by tashoya on Mar 21, 2014 21:47:52 GMT -5
This is all well and good, but part of what you sign up for as a college sports fan is that what 17-year-old kids (who may help your program win basketball games) think does matter. If they don't think of your conference as a premiere conference, and they want to be on ESPN, then it matters. I don't think any of us aspire to have the opinions of teenagers have a material impact on our life, and yet here we are. Our conference games aren't on ESPN now and the perception of the Big East isn't stellar, but so what. Adjust, scout accordingly and recruit guys who want to be here and stop whining about what you don't have and whether ESPN likes us or not. It's getting old. If you're a 17 year old prospect and getting recruited by ACC schools, if it's not Duke/UNC/Cuse, are you really that much more jazzed than by a Georgetown offer? I don't know but I want to think no. What has changed in that regard? We don't get the guys that Duke/UNC/Cuse/Kentucky/Kansas get (for the most part) and that's not new. I think it's almost more important that GU has recruited as well as they (on paper) have for next year than it is to have not done all that well this year in terms of our record. We have minutes as a selling point in addition to the history and the promise of a new IAC. I'm not saying that makes our recruiting competitive with the elite programs but it's an improvement from our past perceived advantages on the whole. Especially if we keep up the strong OOC scheduling and keep the BET in MSG.
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Post by sleepy on Mar 21, 2014 22:05:45 GMT -5
Georgetown needs to be good. That's all I care about. I don't care what conference we are in, what network our games are on, who else in our conference makes the tournament, etc.. No one at Marquette is worried about us, so I'm not worried about them. Call it short-sighted all you want, but if we're good, nothing else matters. Not if Rick Pitino is coaching another team in our conference, if we ever play Syracuse again, if Jay Bilas gets a tattoo on his forehead that the Big East doesn't exist and all of this other nonsense people on here freak out about as if it has anything to do with how JTIII goes about making sure Georgetown hangs a national championship banner. Argue all you want, but as a fanbase, I wish we'd just stop wallowing in our own self pity about things that shouldn't matter to us. Marquette is a good job, they should get a good coach. If they don't, I don't care. This is all well and good, but part of what you sign up for as a college sports fan is that what 17-year-old kids (who may help your program win basketball games) think does matter. If they don't think of your conference as a premiere conference, and they want to be on ESPN, then it matters. I don't think any of us aspire to have the opinions of teenagers have a material impact on our life, and yet here we are. I'd rather have kids that are more concerned with what school can get them to the NBA instead of what network they will be playing on.
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Post by drquigley on Mar 21, 2014 22:59:48 GMT -5
I've read every post on thus thread and can't believe no one has mentioned the obvious. Va Tech is a big school with a big athletic program and budget. Much, much bigger than Marquette. Buzz had to have been offered a lot more money than he was getting at Marquette. Plus although I've never been to Marquette I gotta believe Va Tech's facilities are much better than Marquette's and their academic standards or at least their academic offerings were less stringent. While no Kentucky or Kansas or Carolina I would think Va Tech is a big step up for Buzz. Plus he has nowhere to go but up and 2-3 good years and he could make the jump to a big state school.
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Post by bmartin on Mar 21, 2014 23:10:46 GMT -5
Va Tech is not the big time. VA Tech's arena seats 9800. They averaged 4800 this year.
Marquette plays at the Bradley Center, capacity 18600. They averaged 15300 this year.
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Post by sleepy on Mar 21, 2014 23:13:00 GMT -5
I've read every post on thus thread and can't believe no one has mentioned the obvious. Va Tech is a big school with a big athletic program and budget. Much, much bigger than Marquette. Buzz had to have been offered a lot more money than he was getting at Marquette. Plus although I've never been to Marquette I gotta believe Va Tech's facilities are much better than Marquette's and their academic standards or at least their academic offerings were less stringent. While no Kentucky or Kansas or Carolina I would think Va Tech is a big step up for Buzz. Plus he has nowhere to go but up and 2-3 good years and he could make the jump to a big state school. That is because your obvious is completely wrong. According to this SI article is going to be paid significantly less than he was at Marquette and less resources at Vtech. Why people assume that because you have a football program you have limitless athletic resources is beyond me. This conference realignment nonsense has gotten everyone all mixed up. Good football program does not equal good basketball program. If it did the SEC would be a seriously strong league. college-basketball.si.com/2014/03/21/buzz-williams-stunningly-leaves-marquette-for-virginia-tech/
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 21, 2014 23:30:59 GMT -5
I've read every post on thus thread and can't believe no one has mentioned the obvious. Va Tech is a big school with a big athletic program and budget. Much, much bigger than Marquette. Buzz had to have been offered a lot more money than he was getting at Marquette. Plus although I've never been to Marquette I gotta believe Va Tech's facilities are much better than Marquette's and their academic standards or at least their academic offerings were less stringent. While no Kentucky or Kansas or Carolina I would think Va Tech is a big step up for Buzz. Plus he has nowhere to go but up and 2-3 good years and he could make the jump to a big state school. VA tech is a football school. that's where all the money goes. that is not going to change especially while Beemer and company are still there. very few schools can sustain football and basketball at an elite level (national championship level). florida gators and maybe Ohio State are about it. the football guys are the big men on Techs campus. not many top tier basketball recruits can accept being 2nd fiddle which is what will happen in Blacksberg like it does at Alabama. nobody cares about basketball down there. Amateur wrestling is probably more popular that's how the basketball program is. this is nothing more than a stop gap measure since Tech is falling further and further behind in state rivals UVA, VCU and American. they also still have to pay The two fired coaches, Seth Greenberg and The other guy for a couple more years, so getting somewhat of a name coach like Buzz for that price is a bargain. supposedly Buzz was going to get 4 mill a year at Marquette for the remaining years of his contact. so he's taking a huge pay cut. it's Likely that he new he was getting fired and wanted long term stability for less money and also to be able to coach immoderately instead of sitting in the TV studio collecting on his Marquette contract.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 22, 2014 6:21:46 GMT -5
The BE no longer gets any good coverage from ESPN, now that they are lined up with FOX VPI has big state funding for practice facilities and big alumni boosters and Marquette is almost a little sister of the poor. They couldn't build him any facilities, we didn't want to wait 20 years to get things built. Sound familiar? Marquette has great facilities with the Al Maguire Center and the Bradley Center, that's not the issue.
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Post by Elvado on Mar 22, 2014 6:27:06 GMT -5
Lets just look at the bright side. This makes at least two more games a year where we don't have to play half the game 5 on 6.
Not to mention be blinded by his hideous shirt and tie combinations....
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 22, 2014 6:46:02 GMT -5
I've read every post on thus thread and can't believe no one has mentioned the obvious. Va Tech is a big school with a big athletic program and budget. Much, much bigger than Marquette. Buzz had to have been offered a lot more money than he was getting at Marquette. Plus although I've never been to Marquette I gotta believe Va Tech's facilities are much better than Marquette's and their academic standards or at least their academic offerings were less stringent. While no Kentucky or Kansas or Carolina I would think Va Tech is a big step up for Buzz. Plus he has nowhere to go but up and 2-3 good years and he could make the jump to a big state school. VA tech is a football school. that's where all the money goes. that is not going to change especially while Beemer and company are still there. very few schools can sustain football and basketball at an elite level (national championship level). florida gators and maybe Ohio State are about it. the football guys are the big men on Techs campus. not many top tier basketball recruits can accept being 2nd fiddle which is what will happen in Blacksberg like it does at Alabama. nobody cares about basketball down there. Amateur wrestling is probably more popular that's how the basketball program is. this is nothing more than a stop gap measure since Tech is falling further and further behind in state rivals UVA, VCU and American. they also still have to pay The two fired coaches, Seth Greenberg and The other guy for a couple more years, so getting somewhat of a name coach like Buzz for that price is a bargain. supposedly Buzz was going to get 4 mill a year at Marquette for the remaining years of his contact. so he's taking a huge pay cut. it's Likely that he new he was getting fired and wanted long term stability for less money and also to be able to coach immoderately instead of sitting in the TV studio collecting on his Marquette contract.
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 22, 2014 6:50:58 GMT -5
"This is nothing more than a stop gap measure since Tech is falling further and further behind in state rivals UVA, VCU and American."
American?? Huh??
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 22, 2014 6:56:31 GMT -5
Yeah, the Big East is dead, done, over, embarrassing, a national home. We are not giving any time for a reconfigured conference to get its bearings, develop its own identity. Having 40% of its teams in the NCAA's, including a 2 and a 3. Having some of the strongest recruiting classes coming in. You seriously need to find a prescription for some happy pills, POD - it has been weeks since you had a post that was not doom and gloom. Would you rather us be in the ACC or the Big East? I'd rather us be in the ACC than a ragtag conference of schools like Xavier, Butler and DePaul. We are in the Big East. That is where we will be for many years. That was our best option, realistically our only option. So start dealing with it. Stop complaining, whining and b!tching about it - I am not just referring to you Dog, but to all the posters who seem to revel in badmouthing the conference. I believe that our conference will get stronger. We have schools that care about basketball - some may not play it very well right now, but it is their primary sport. We have nationally recognized names. Our new brand is going to grow. We are not dating the prettiest girl in school right now. But the girl whom we are dating is still cute and nice, and she cares about the things we care about. She could still grow up to be quite a catch. And it ain't like all the cheerleaders are knocking on our door anyway.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 22, 2014 7:07:26 GMT -5
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Post by seaweed on Mar 22, 2014 7:32:54 GMT -5
The Journal Sentinel employees a sports journalist named Mike Hunt? Tee hee
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 22, 2014 7:48:09 GMT -5
Why would Buzz be fired? He was extremely successful there. I suppose there might have been some behind the scenes stuff going on, but that sort of seems like sour grapes from Marquette fans. Why would Buzz take a pay cut, for a harder job, when he was struggling with his current one? You keep saying he is taking a pay cut. Considering he got a 7 year contract, it's easily understood as not a pay cut because he has more years of guaranteed money. Even if he sucks, they will almost certainly have to buy him out. And all the details haven't come out. Like nj said, if Marquette fans don't care too much about him leaving, I don't think we should either. But, talk of him being fired after his run sounds like it's just made up. I Unless there was something to inappropriate behavior or something.
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 22, 2014 9:10:40 GMT -5
I am shocked Buzz would leave for such a doormat like Va Tech, however, my bigger concern is the perception this gives about the Big East. Unless they can get a high profile hire like Howland, this is a net negative for the BE. At least the A10 is getting exposed in the NCAAs.
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