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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 21, 2014 17:22:31 GMT -5
Word out of Milwaukee is that Ben Howland, formerly of Pittsburgh and UCLA, really wants back into the Big East, and would take the job if offered. Fan base is suggesting Howland, along with Isaac Chew (an assistant on Buzz's staff, from Chicago), Brian Wardle (head coach at Wisconsin-Green Bay), and some real long shots: Shaka Smart (VCU), Cuonzo Martin (Tennessee) and Gregg Marshall (Wichita State).
Howland would be a good get for MU. If it's not him, I'm not convinced the next coach is on this list.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 21, 2014 17:23:50 GMT -5
Not the only source implying the Big East uncertainty had something to do with it, among several things. Big East uncertainty is one thing, but to actually take a shot at FS1 seems a little ridiculous. Big East is currently getting destroyed everywhere I look in fan perception. Honestly, I am getting a little nervous about this. I have tried to be positive but when you read the responses from the general public the league is not respected at all. Hopefully the we are being proactive to make sure we still remain relevant. I think it is more about uncertainty at Marquette than uncertainty about the Big East.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 21, 2014 17:25:06 GMT -5
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Post by hoyabinx on Mar 21, 2014 17:27:23 GMT -5
Look, if Buzz left Marquette because of the Fox-ESPN rift, then he is an idiot. You get on tv only when you play Duke, UNC, Cuse, and maybe a few other games. And there is no way he wins at VaTech like he did at Marquette. The program is a sink hole.
That said, it's much more likely that the rift between HIM and Marquette finally got too big and he needed out now.
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Post by 3xhoya on Mar 21, 2014 17:29:53 GMT -5
Look, if Buzz left Marquette because of the Fox-ESPN rift, then he is an idiot. You get on tv only when you play Duke, UNC, Cuse, and maybe a few other games. And there is no way he wins at VaTech like he did at Marquette. The program is a sink hole. That said, it's much more likely that the rift between HIM and Marquette finally got too big and he needed out now. It is likely this is the cause, but the problem is the public perception is that he left Marquette because the Big East is weak. It is imperative that Marquette answer with a strong hire to help the perception of the league. We need the public to start recognizing the league as strong.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 21, 2014 17:35:38 GMT -5
What a joke, did Goodman really just try to pass off the fact that Marquette does not play on ESPN as the reason Buzz left? Buzz will get MUCH less TV time in the ACC. Who cares about V Tech bball? Not the only source implying the Big East uncertainty had something to do with it, among several things. The Big East is an excuse. Buzz was on thin ice with Pilarz and the Marquette administration-- a new president brings uncertainty. Buzz had no input into the next athletic director -- a new AD brings uncertainty. Marquette figures to lose a lot next year -- another down year brings even more uncertainty. Buzz is not loyal - ask New Orleans, whom he walked on after one year for Marquette. Virginia Tech backed up the truck -- a big contract brings certainty. But there are better jobs out there. He'll be sitting next to Seth Greenberg in four years on ESPN--another coach that jumped for "certainty". Howland would have Marquette back in a big way. The others, less so.
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Post by sleepy on Mar 21, 2014 17:40:53 GMT -5
Not the only source implying the Big East uncertainty had something to do with it, among several things. The Big East is an excuse. Buzz was on thin ice with Pilarz and the Marquette administration-- a new president brings uncertainty. Buzz had no input into the next athletic director -- a new AD brings uncertainty. Marquette figures to lose a lot next year -- another down year brings even more uncertainty. Buzz is not loyal - ask New Orleans, whom he walked on after one year for Marquette. Virginia Tech backed up the truck -- a big contract brings certainty. But there are better jobs out there. He'll be sitting next to Seth Greenberg in four years on ESPN--another coach that jumped for "certainty". Howland would have Marquette back in a big way. The others, less so. This times 100. Any rational person that believes a guy that wasn't going to finish in the top 6 of the Big East the first two years of it, left because the league wasn't good enough for him is, well, not a rational person. Although reading the Marquette board, I would not be opposed to kicking them out completely. Maybe the Big East could become a core of Nova, Georgetown, and St Johns that just adds and kicks out programs based on NCAA results. Dayton, St Louis and VCU for next year while swapping out Butler, Marquette and Depaul.
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Post by 3xhoya on Mar 21, 2014 17:44:18 GMT -5
The Big East is an excuse. Buzz was on thin ice with Pilarz and the Marquette administration-- a new president brings uncertainty. Buzz had no input into the next athletic director -- a new AD brings uncertainty. Marquette figures to lose a lot next year -- another down year brings even more uncertainty. Buzz is not loyal - ask New Orleans, whom he walked on after one year for Marquette. Virginia Tech backed up the truck -- a big contract brings certainty. But there are better jobs out there. He'll be sitting next to Seth Greenberg in four years on ESPN--another coach that jumped for "certainty". Howland would have Marquette back in a big way. The others, less so. This times 100. Any rational person that believes a guy that wasn't going to finish in the top 6 of the Big East the first two years of it, left because the league wasn't good enough for him is, well, not a rational person. I agree with all of this. I am freaking out because of the perception, a Howland hire negates that.
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Post by Hoyaholic on Mar 21, 2014 17:57:56 GMT -5
Howland would be a major upgrade.
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Post by Buckets on Mar 21, 2014 18:02:31 GMT -5
Word out of Milwaukee is that Ben Howland, formerly of Pittsburgh and UCLA, really wants back into the Big East, and would take the job if offered. Fan base is suggesting Howland, along with Isaac Chew (an assistant on Buzz's staff, from Chicago), Brian Wardle (head coach at Wisconsin-Green Bay), and some real long shots: Shaka Smart (VCU), Cuonzo Martin (Tennessee) and Gregg Marshall (Wichita State). Howland would be a good get for MU. If it's not him, I'm not convinced the next coach is on this list. Word out of Milwaukee is that Howland wants the job. Word out of Chestnut Hill is that Calhoun wants the job. Word out of Winston-Salem is that Shaka Smart's a realistic target. Agree that Howland would help prevent the perception of this as a midmajor league, but I'll file this under "believe it when I see it." Agree that there has to be something more going on. He has a pretty good recruiting class coming in and while they might take a step back, the cupboard is not nearly as bare as it is at Virginia Tech. I'm actually a little surprised that Virginia Tech was the best he could do. He's somehow inexplicably put (meaning at least got a few minutes) seven guys in the NBA in the past four years and made three Sweet 16s in a row before this year. Seems like he could have done better if he wanted out for whatever reason.
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Post by sleepy on Mar 21, 2014 18:03:01 GMT -5
According to rumors on the Marquette board there is some sort of investigation into the Marquette program, internal possibly, which isn't going to turn up anything positive about Buzz apparently. This would explain a lot.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Mar 21, 2014 18:03:28 GMT -5
I don't understand all the freaking out because of the Big East's supposed "weak" reputation, but whatever. Hope Marquette makes a good hire and rebuilds. It seems Howland would be a good choice.
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Post by flyoverhoya on Mar 21, 2014 18:05:12 GMT -5
Would not be a surprise.
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Post by deacon on Mar 21, 2014 18:15:25 GMT -5
I'm actually starting to get annoyed by people on this board worrying incessantly about what other programs in our league do and the whining about what other people say about the conference. Worry about what Georgetown is doing to win a national championship. Everything else will take care of itself.
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Post by mit0313 on Mar 21, 2014 18:19:25 GMT -5
I buy Howland's interest because it sounded like he floated his name for the DePaul job earlier in the year.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 21, 2014 19:01:52 GMT -5
He sees the writing on the wall for the Big East. Yeah, the Big East is dead, done, over, embarrassing, a national home. We are not giving any time for a reconfigured conference to get its bearings, develop its own identity. Having 40% of its teams in the NCAA's, including a 2 and a 3. Having some of the strongest recruiting classes coming in. You seriously need to find a prescription for some happy pills, POD - it has been weeks since you had a post that was not doom and gloom.
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Post by deacon on Mar 21, 2014 19:04:18 GMT -5
He sees the writing on the wall for the Big East. Yeah, the Big East is dead, done, over, embarrassing, a national home. We are not giving any time for a reconfigured conference to get its bearings, develop its own identity. Having 40% of its teams in the NCAA's, including a 2 and a 3. Having some of the strongest recruiting classes coming in. You seriously need to find a prescription for some happy pills, POD - it has been weeks since you had a post that was not doom and gloom. Quoting their posts is akin to feeding them.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 21, 2014 19:09:24 GMT -5
Posters on this board told me Ben Howland had a bad reputation and baggage since UCLA, if this is the case is....
Why are people clamoring for Ben Howland to get the Marquette job??
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Post by tashoya on Mar 21, 2014 19:10:05 GMT -5
VT still has a BB team? Who knew?
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Post by This Just In on Mar 21, 2014 19:16:45 GMT -5
He sees the writing on the wall for the Big East. He sees NCAA investigations and probably probation or sanctions coming down the pike. He literally jumped at the first life preserve that came his way... VT probably promised him that they would stand behind when the story finally breaks of an NCAA investigation into Marquette's basketball program. You figure what does VT have to lose... What does Buzz Williams have to lose...
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