Boz
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Post by Boz on May 1, 2014 10:11:51 GMT -5
I think the more important point is, why make a tasteless reference to West Virginia when you have Rutgers sitting right there? That's just bad film making.
You could have shown a 3-second clip of Tony Soprano in a wife beater eating some ziti and slapping a stripper.
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Post by concord on May 1, 2014 22:03:29 GMT -5
I think the more important point is, why make a tasteless reference to West Virginia when you have Rutgers sitting right there? That's just bad film making. You could have shown a 3-second clip of Tony Soprano in a wife beater eating some ziti and slapping a stripper. Except Tony went to Seton Hall!
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757hoyafan
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Post by 757hoyafan on May 2, 2014 7:46:25 GMT -5
This is a common problem these day with the "racist hilly billy west virginian" stereotype. Same thing happened in the historical film the Express about Syracuse running back Ernie Davis: " Journalists and film critics noted that a scene of "racist vitriol"[9] involving the October 24, 1959 game between Syracuse and West Virginia University, was fictitious and, as Film Journal International critic Frank Lovece noted, " veers remarkably toward outright slander."[10] He said the game was "falsely shown as taking place at WVU's Mountaineer Field" in Morgantown, West Virginia, "rather than at Syracuse's own Archbold Stadium," the Orangemen's home field in New York state. Additionally, Lovece remarked that "Aside from the fact that the game didn't even take place there, Schwartzwalder had earlier led West Virginia high-school teams to state championships, and was a beloved and respected figure with devoted fans there who wouldn't have given his teams any lip — so much so that on his death in 1993, WVU even instituted the Ben Schwartzwalder Trophy".[10] Syracuse quarterback Dick Easterly, who played with Davis in Morgantown the following year, on October 22, 1960, after the events of the Cotton Bowl Classic against the University of Texas, recalled no such events and said, " I apologize to the people of West Virginia because that did not happen. I don't blame people in West Virginia for being disturbed. The scene is completely fictitious."[11] Syracuse center Patrick Whelan, a Davis teammate, said of the movie's inaccuracies, "[W]e’re sitting watching this thing, saying, 'Jeez, where did they get that from?' "[12] Screenwriter Charles Leavitt expressed surprise at the scene in the finished film, whose original script did not involve West Virginia.[13] However, Leavitt's explanation that "the scene was supposed to depict a 1958 game at Tar Heels Stadium in North Carolina" is inaccurate on all counts; Davis was a freshman in the 1958 season and therefore did not play on the Orangemen's varsity team; Syracuse did not play North Carolina in football until 1995; and the name of UNC's home field has been Kenan Stadium since its construction in 1927. In addition the story of the game, as far as sequence of plays and scores go, is considerably out of order.[14]" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Express Guys when I said WVU saved the BE I was talking about the football side of things. They won three to four BCS bowl games when EVERYBODY was putting down the BE wanting them to loose their BCS bid. WVU kept winning and shutting up all the nay sayers and made them look real bad after WVU kept winning,winning and winning beating big football schools in big bowl games. Yet when it comes to the Doc about the BE all this punk would show is three or four people playing banjos that had NOTHING to do with sports. I garrentee if sombody made a Documentry about JT11 and Georgetown saying that they was racist b/c they never let white guys start or hardly play at all then this whole board would throw a fit. Don't get me wrong I would throw a fit to but I am just telling you how we as Gtown fans would react. I will go to my grave saying this guy that made this Doc was way out of line and it was uncalled for. If that's the case, then the ACC should be on the outside looking in. Their BCS record prior to 2013 was 1-13.. WVU BCS wins didn't saved a damn thing, but it did help them go to a conference w/a bigger pay day..
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Boz
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Post by Boz on May 2, 2014 9:52:20 GMT -5
I think the more important point is, why make a tasteless reference to West Virginia when you have Rutgers sitting right there? That's just bad film making. You could have shown a 3-second clip of Tony Soprano in a wife beater eating some ziti and slapping a stripper. Except Tony went to Seton Hall! Well, Jackie Jr. then. Sheesh! Stop being so nitpicky.
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WVHoyasfan
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Post by WVHoyasfan on May 2, 2014 22:34:55 GMT -5
Guys when I said WVU saved the BE I was talking about the football side of things. They won three to four BCS bowl games when EVERYBODY was putting down the BE wanting them to loose their BCS bid. WVU kept winning and shutting up all the nay sayers and made them look real bad after WVU kept winning,winning and winning beating big football schools in big bowl games. Yet when it comes to the Doc about the BE all this punk would show is three or four people playing banjos that had NOTHING to do with sports. I garrentee if sombody made a Documentry about JT11 and Georgetown saying that they was racist b/c they never let white guys start or hardly play at all then this whole board would throw a fit. Don't get me wrong I would throw a fit to but I am just telling you how we as Gtown fans would react. I will go to my grave saying this guy that made this Doc was way out of line and it was uncalled for. If that's the case, then the ACC should be on the outside looking in. Their BCS record prior to 2013 was 1-13.. WVU BCS wins didn't saved a damn thing, but it did help them go to a conference w/a bigger pay day.. LOL you and me both know that WVU done alot to keep BE football alive and they exspecially kept anybody from taking away the BCS bid from the BE by winning all those BCS Games. That my friend is the truth!!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on May 3, 2014 14:57:13 GMT -5
Hail To The New Big East lol
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Post by OldHoyafan on May 12, 2014 11:24:38 GMT -5
I finally got to finish watching the two hour program on my DVR. Watched segments at a time. But after viewing it I could not help but think, "what a great recruiting tool for the new BIG EAST? Eventhough , ESPN probably had others intentions this piece could be beneficial to the BE. The original BE was born through the efforts of East Coast basketball schools who wanted to show the rest of the country that the ACC, PAC 10, and BIG TEN were not the only conferences where great basketball was played. JT2 said it best when he said the most important thing was not that a black coached team had won the National Championship in 1984, but that a Northeastern team had won. He said the early sentiment was the us against them attitude by the league, that kept them together and made them strong. I can't help but think that Big John JTIII are using that ESPN piece to their advantage. Each recruit is told that they can be apart of reestablishing the BE to its rightful place in collegiate BB, just as the Ewings, Monroe's, and Mullins did for the original BE. It is us against them all over again. Love it.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 16, 2014 22:51:20 GMT -5
I, too, just got to watch this on DVR for the first time. For somebody who was a young child (i.e., too young to have any idea what was going on) during the formative years of the Big East, it was great to see that. I particularly appreciated all of the older video which I had largely not seen before. I did find it interesting that Patrick Ewing sort of had an organized announcement which was taped at the time. I didn't realize that recruiting back then was as big as it was.
It was also great seeing Ewing in college. Even with the limited video, you could easily see what an amazing talent he was. He was truly a spectacular player.
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Post by seaweed on May 16, 2014 23:16:44 GMT -5
Patrick made recruiting big, just like he made the NBA institute a lottery. Once in a lifetime talent.
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