Dhall
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Post by Dhall on Mar 16, 2014 21:10:07 GMT -5
This show on ESPN 30 for 30 has just been an advertisement for Georgetown. Love it. Don't care that the end will be about the break-up.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 16, 2014 21:12:23 GMT -5
I am watching the program and have to say this is pretty good history on the Big East and Georgetown basketball. Definitely liked hearing the stories from Patrick Ewing and JTII about how he viewed the Hoya Paranoia Phenomenon.
Even discusses the dark side of the Big East fans back then and how JTII and Ewing felt about it.
Nice interviews too from Jim Boeheim, Pearl Washington, Chris Mullin and Lou Carnesecca
I know some posters predicted a hack job by ESPN, but so far about an 1 hour into it...
I have found the film informative.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 16, 2014 21:12:32 GMT -5
Have to admit, I completely agree. Complete advertisement for us.
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Mar 16, 2014 21:32:51 GMT -5
Hopefully there are a lot of talented high school players watching this.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 16, 2014 21:38:37 GMT -5
Thanks for the heads up. Gonna tape the relay that's on ESPN2 at 11.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 16, 2014 21:52:03 GMT -5
JTII stated as the new money was coming in...(paraphasing) if players were getting rich...coaches needed to get rich too. I liked this one.."People respect rich people and pray for poor people".
Interestingly all the old BE Coaches stated JTII understood the economics of the new money first and how Georgetown University went from paying Nike to wear their shoes to Nike paying the University to wear their shoes.
Rick Pitino also gives a very candid interview on the subject from the heart...said before expansion what was talked about in the room stayed in the room, but after expansion his AD told him President's & AD's of schools are pledging their loyalty to the Big East and as soon as they leave the room they are getting on the phone with the ACC or Big Ten or SEC trying to get in.
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Post by 2010hoyasaxa on Mar 16, 2014 22:12:07 GMT -5
I know a lot of Hoya fans chose not to watch this because it was on ESPN, but if you didn't get to watch it, I really encourage you do to do so. I'm a young Hoya alum who grew up in the Midwest watching Big 10 basketball and football. Didn't know anything about Georgetown except that it had a good basketball team because the CYO league I played in had it, St. Johns and a few other perceived programs as team names.
By my senior year of high school I knew Georgetown as a great academic institution. I came out to DC on a recruiting trip, and I was taken to a Georgetown-St. Johns basketball game the first year III was at the helm. Growing up in the Midwest, high school basketball was king, and to the extent I cared or knew about college basketball, it was always played in college arenas--smaller than the ones the pro teams played at. Seeing that Georgetown game at Verizon and the atmosphere it had, even on a week night, was what sold me on Georgetown and convinced me I needed to go there.
All of which is to say, I hope Gtown and the Big East get back to where they were even a few short years ago. I still remember where I was and who I was with when Big Roy hit the 3 over UConn. I still remember the Duke game when the newly-inaugurated President came to watch. And most importantly, I still remember all the home Syracuse games I went to and the fights that followed.
The documentary was a good reminder of what Georgetown and Big East basketball once was, and what I hope it can be again. Of course it skips over ESPN's complicity in the entire mess, but that is to be expected. I still hope you all will see it.
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Post by Jack on Mar 16, 2014 22:26:20 GMT -5
Like many others, I was angry when I saw the title of this film, but I did read some good reviews and decided to give it a shot. Boy am I glad I did, and I think it is well worth watching for any fan of Georgetown or the Big East. I can say with some confidence it was and will be my most enjoyable college basketball experience of this postseason.
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Post by hoyasexy on Mar 16, 2014 22:52:22 GMT -5
I can say with some confidence it was and will be my most enjoyable college basketball experience of this postseason. Faint praise. Nonetheless, I really enjoyed it. I was pleasantly surprised that on an ESPN broadcast, there was a recognition that, while "TV" created the Big East, it was also its downfall. I was very pleased with the entire production until the very end when, as the credits rolled, there was an indication that the 7 Catholic schools left and formed a new conference and took the name and MSG contract with them. While this might be a statement of true fact, that that was said without recognizing the irony. Given that the previous 30 minutes was about how the downfall of the conference was due in part to how the conference had lost touch with its roots, you would think that there would be some recognition that the "New Big East" isn't a new creation at all - it is simply a re-dedication to what made the conference great. The wound hasn't closed yet, but this movie allowed me to feel some pride about the incident at the 1985 Final Four. Even though we were on the losing end, the greatness of that Final Four continues to be defined by how great that Georgetown team was.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 16, 2014 22:54:27 GMT -5
Very well done. Loved the old footage of all those games I went to including the one at Manley. Boeheim even faked a tear at the end.
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Mar 16, 2014 22:57:23 GMT -5
I was ready to never play Syracuse again after the regular season finale. Now, since we lost to them in our final meeting in the BET, we need to get them on the schedule again.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 16, 2014 23:36:43 GMT -5
I took the final credit meaning as ESPN made an offer to the Big East..the Big East saw the tv contract the Pac 12 got from Fox Sports and wanted that type of contract and thus that lead to teams bolting and the rest of the Big East signing a deal with Fox Sports 1.
Greed became the ultimate villain and the conference undoing.
I think in retrospect if the Big East knew what was to happen, they would have taken the deal and stayed with ESPN.
The teams that I have left will realize money is good but traditional rivalries are better (will bring money anyways).
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 16, 2014 23:52:18 GMT -5
I posted in another thread that the filmmaker grew up as a Gtown fan, although he too has brought into the notion that the Big East no longer exists. I took the final credit meaning as ESPN made an offer to the Big East..the Big East saw the tv contract the Pac 12 got from Fox Sports and wanted that type of contract and thus that lead to teams bolting and the rest of the Big East signing a deal with Fox Sports 1. Greed became the ultimate villain and the conference undoing. I think in retrospect if the Big East knew what was to happen, they would have taken the deal and stayed with ESPN. The teams that I have left will realize money is good but traditional rivalries are better (will bring money anyways). Who do you mean when you say "if the Big East knew"? Because the bball schools were going to get screwed even if they agreed to the original terms. It was inevitable.
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Post by gujake on Mar 17, 2014 0:00:09 GMT -5
Like many others, I was angry when I saw the title of this film, but I did read some good reviews and decided to give it a shot. Boy am I glad I did, and I think it is well worth watching for any fan of Georgetown or the Big East. I can say with some confidence it was and will be my most enjoyable college basketball experience of this postseason. Same here. I hope it gets replayed often because, as others have noted, it's a great advertisement for the program. It would have been nice if they had talked more about the new league going back to its basketball roots the way hoyasexy mentions above, but the story being told was really about the old league so I don't mind the way they handled it with the end note.
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Post by biggmanu on Mar 17, 2014 0:53:45 GMT -5
Best 30 for 30 ever. Loved the sweater game footage and the commentary from Ewing, Pearl, Pinckney, Chris Mullin, Boheim, Lou, Rollie, Pitino and mostly John Thompson. The glory days of the Big East was defined by those colorful men and the GTown/Cuse rivalry. Boeheim was very much against leaving the Big East and I wish he had told us how he really felt. I think its a cop out that his message is "it wasn't the Big East anymore anyway" that's a bunch of BS. The Georgetown/Cuse rivalry was still very much alive (meaning the Big East was still alive) and I think its kills him more than he lets on and he's just not man enough to say it. I think he lost his team with the Duke flip out and it's why they are sucking. In my mind he's trying to drum up a new rivalry, but the fact of the matter is he was and always will be "the whiner" and not much else. Big John was the man who single-handedly gave the Big East one of the best rivalries in basketball history. I respect every other coach of the original teams so much more than I respect Boeheim.
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Post by deacon on Mar 17, 2014 1:23:09 GMT -5
I thought it was just okay. A lot of curious editorial decisions most notably the way UConn's rise as a national power was glossed over. I could list things I had an issue with, but overall, I thought it was alright.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 17, 2014 6:26:08 GMT -5
I thought it was just okay. A lot of curious editorial decisions most notably the way UConn's rise as a national power was glossed over. Good point. I loved that part. ;-)
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Mar 17, 2014 6:48:00 GMT -5
I thought the documentary did an absolutely tremendous job covering the "rise" of the Big East. However, i thought it really could have done a better job covering the "fall." Start talking about the 90s, how the Big East was really a powerhouse during the time when more and more Americans had cable TV in their houses. Talk about ESPNs expansion. Talk about the expansion of money in college football. They truly glossed over this until "BC, Miami, and Tech" left. Talk more about how the Big East responded by really going out of their comfort zone and adding more schools, then talk about how Big East basketball WAS the preeminent league, getting the most bids in the tourney, having the successes they did. And then then talk about how - despite all of this - football is king and just demolished everything.
I know ESPN really didn't want to touch upon how they low-balled the Big East and really created this whole mess for their financial gain, but, I do think they could have done a better job with it.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 17, 2014 7:21:30 GMT -5
I thought it was just okay. A lot of curious editorial decisions most notably the way UConn's rise as a national power was glossed over. I could list things I had an issue with, but overall, I thought it was alright. Yeah, the only reason I thought it was good is because it was all Georgetown. I mean, they were even interviewing jack DeGioia for a good portion of it. He was in it more than Calhoun. I'm sure they were heavy, heavy editorial cuts to the way that was presented.
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Post by 757hoyafan on Mar 17, 2014 7:24:22 GMT -5
Best 30 for 30 ever. Loved the sweater game footage and the commentary from Ewing, Pearl, Pinckney, Chris Mullin, Boheim, Lou, Rollie, Pitino and mostly John Thompson. The glory days of the Big East was defined by those colorful men and the GTown/Cuse rivalry. Boeheim was very much against leaving the Big East and I wish he had told us how he really felt. I think its a cop out that his message is "it wasn't the Big East anymore anyway" that's a bunch of BS. The Georgetown/Cuse rivalry was still very much alive (meaning the Big East was still alive) and I think its kills him more than he lets on and he's just not man enough to say it. I think he lost his team with the Duke flip out and it's why they are sucking. In my mind he's trying to drum up a new rivalry, but the fact of the matter is he was and always will be "the whiner" and not much else. Big John was the man who single-handedly gave the Big East one of the best rivalries in basketball history. I respect every other coach of the original teams so much more than I respect Boeheim. When this first happened both he & Pitino were openly against it.. It changed soon after, so I am going to assume the folks that signs their checks put a muzzle on them. Even if they were allowed by their bosses to say whatever, some how I doubt ESPN would have let them say they tried to destroy the conference.
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