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Post by hoyazeke on Jul 17, 2015 9:38:54 GMT -5
Da Da will be 1st but a big will come close behind.....banks or delaurier....
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Post by sleepy on Jul 27, 2015 21:06:05 GMT -5
Ok The AAU season is finished. We have most likely upwards of 5 scholarships for the next 2 years yet only 3 if the roster remains stable which is unlikely. We have seen multiple names come across this board regarding the 16 class some we have little shot with and others who we may have little real interst in. We most likely have serious interst in names we have never seen mentioned.
We need a couple of guards and some kind of big Maybe even another 3 depending upon who stays and leaves.
Does anyone here have a feel for those players that we have scouted, recruited and offered that we have a decent chance at getting a commitment from. After over a year of names and videos to which yaboy desrves so much praise and thanks, the only name that seems to fit is Bracey.
Anyone with a good feel please add to the speculation.
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 28, 2015 7:27:17 GMT -5
Ok The AAU season is finished. We have most likely upwards of 5 scholarships for the next 2 years yet only 3 if the roster remains stable which is unlikely. We have seen multiple names come across this board regarding the 16 class some we have little shot with and others who we may have little real interst in. We most likely have serious interst in names we have never seen mentioned. We need a couple of guards and some kind of big Maybe even another 3 depending upon who stays and leaves. Does anyone here have a feel for those players that we have scouted, recruited and offered that we have a decent chance at getting a commitment from. After over a year of names and videos to which yaboy desrves so much praise and thanks, the only name that seems to fit is Bracey. Anyone with a good feel please add to the speculation. I can't say I have a good feel for the 2016 class but it looks like only Bracey & Curtis Jones are left of the 2016 prospects that the staff started with.. Looks like They're trying to get back in with Killeya-Jones but he's being chased heavily by UK & UNC so good luck with that.. Curtis Jones or cg similar to him is a must for this class imo, as has been reported in his thread it looks like IU is out front with him(he visits them at the end of Aug) so he's 50/50 at best right now.. Not sure what happened with Zach Norvell, he was talking about doing a visit not too long ago but the last couple of write-ups he no longer mentions G'town.. At the end of it all only Bracey can be considered a G'town lean right now.. TBH I'm not sold on Bracey the way other folks are.. He doesn't fit the JT3 guard mold imo, I think a coach should recruit to his system at all times.. Plus I don't understand why he's not getting interest from any other program, it's strange to me..
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Post by calhoya on Jul 28, 2015 9:05:47 GMT -5
Good point Etomic with respect to recruiting to the system. Although the Hoya system seems to be evolving in recent years there are clearly certain attributes and skills that JT III favors in his players and it would be surprising if the recruits do not arrive with at least great potential in these ares or skill sets. So with that in mind, how does Bracey fail to fit the JT III guard mold? Is it his style of play, size, shooting range, etc.? My hope is that the coaching staff continues to recruit athletic players with length and range. I never want to see the Josh Smith "experiment" repeated because his conditioning issues assured that he simply did not fit with the other types of players on that team.
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Post by sleepy on Jul 28, 2015 9:08:00 GMT -5
Agreed with your thoughts on Bracey. It appears that we have much in the way of work to do on this class.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jul 28, 2015 9:39:08 GMT -5
I get the sense that the Hoyas are focusing more on 2017 than 2016. I am not endorsing that, and I have no inside information; that is just my hunch based on them seeming not to take an aggressive approach to a lot of 2016 kids.
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Post by hoyazeke on Jul 28, 2015 9:55:30 GMT -5
I don't quite understand why the board doesn't love Bracey. You really can't say that JT3 hasn't recruited players like Bracey before. Bracey is a smaller version of CWright. I know that Chris is bigger but they play the same type of attacking, penetrating style. Chris couldn't shoot either when he showed up on the Hilltop and if not for injury his career would have been better. Also Bracey has offers from Dayton, Marquette, KState and Gtown as high majors. I know it's not the bluebloods but it's not copped liver either. I look forward to having a guard that can break a defender down and make it easy for Jessie, Kaleb, Marcus, and Paul........the J will come with work.
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Post by sleepy on Jul 28, 2015 10:28:49 GMT -5
I don't quite understand why the board doesn't love Bracey. You really can't say that JT3 hasn't recruited players like Bracey before. Bracey is a smaller version of CWright. I know that Chris is bigger but they play the same type of attacking, penetrating style. Chris couldn't shoot either when he showed up on the Hilltop and if not for injury his career would have been better. Also Bracey has offers from Dayton, Marquette, KState and Gtown as high majors. I know it's not the bluebloods but it's not copped liver either. I look forward to having a guard that can break a defender down and make it easy for Jessie, Kaleb, Marcus, and Paul........the J will come with work. He's 5'9 at best. Not exactly burning up a week AAU schedule.Wright was a clear top 75 rated and could shoot quite a bit better. We lose DSR and i think its a good bet Peak gives it very serious thought to leave even if he doesn't have a big season. Obviously i have never seen Bracey play. According to some the staff loves him. I'm concerned that if you bring in another small guard who from what i have seen on Video is challenged defensively, They had better get a very solid combo like the Brown kid from Boston who plays hard both ways.
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Post by rockhoya on Jul 28, 2015 10:37:52 GMT -5
Braces is a player, only 2016 guard I like better for this team is Jones, but he looks like an IU lean. Braces would fit in well with the shift towards having more offensively versatile players on the team. Let the PG play PG....he doesn't need to be knocking down threes at will, being a respectable shooter is more than enough with everything else he brings to the table. All depends on what the roster will look like once he gets here.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jul 28, 2015 10:46:14 GMT -5
I'm fine with Bracey as a change of pace guy, but not necessarily as the long-term answer at PG. Don't think the Chris Wright comparisons are great, given that Wright was considered a good shooter and made the McD's AA team. Certainly does give pause that no other top programs are recruiting Bracey. Regardless of AAU competition, if the guy was a complete stud, I'd think more people nationally would be all over him. But again, I think he's OK as a change of pace type.
The key to me in the class is getting one of the bigger guards that they seem to be recruiting. Zach Norvell, Quentin Jackson, Bruce Brown, CuJo, etc. I think you go into next year assuming DSR, Peak and Copeland will be gone, so would be nice to have another good sized combo guard coming in along with Bracey.
I do think they're going after some longshot PF types in SKJ, DeLaurier and Diakite, ideally to replace a potentially departing Copeland. They seem to be aiming high at that position rather than looking at under the radar types. It's a shame they didn't push harder for DeLaurier earlier.
If you believe JT3's interview with Rothstein, he's very high on the classes of 2014 and 2015, so conceivably sees the class of 2016 as more of a gap filler with hopes to push hard for studs in 2017 and 2018. I do like the start to the 2017 class with Tyler Foster, he looks like a good one.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 11:11:44 GMT -5
Again YOU HAVE TO BE SEEN TO BE RECRUITED.... You guys think coaches are going to go to the Zero Gravity tournament to scout 1 5'11 guard when they can go to Nike EYBL in Minneapolis and scout 50?? You're nuts. There's 5 evaluation periods in the summer staffs don't have unlimited time an resources. That part of the argument against him is petty and silly.
Jabril is a better shooter now than any of the so called "Shooters" we have recruited in the past and he couldn't hit water next to the ocean when he got here. It's by far the easiest tool to improve on, give me a diversified game, shooting can be developed..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 11:19:04 GMT -5
I don't quite understand why the board doesn't love Bracey. You really can't say that JT3 hasn't recruited players like Bracey before. Bracey is a smaller version of CWright. I know that Chris is bigger but they play the same type of attacking, penetrating style. Chris couldn't shoot either when he showed up on the Hilltop and if not for injury his career would have been better. Also Bracey has offers from Dayton, Marquette, KState and Gtown as high majors. I know it's not the bluebloods but it's not copped liver either. I look forward to having a guard that can break a defender down and make it easy for Jessie, Kaleb, Marcus, and Paul........the J will come with work. He's 5'9 at best. Not exactly burning up a week AAU schedule.Wright was a clear top 75 rated and could shoot quite a bit better. We lose DSR and i think its a good bet Peak gives it very serious thought to leave even if he doesn't have a big season. Obviously i have never seen Bracey play. According to some the staff loves him. I'm concerned that if you bring in another small guard who from what i have seen on Video is challenged defensively, They had better get a very solid combo like the Brown kid from Boston who plays hard both ways. How do you know this?
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Post by professorhoya on Jul 28, 2015 11:22:00 GMT -5
Again YOU HAVE TO BE SEEN TO BE RECRUITED.... You guys think coaches are going to go to the Zero Gravity tournament to scout 1 5'11 guard when they can go to Nike EYBL in Minneapolis and scout 50?? You're nuts. There's 5 evaluation periods in the summer staffs don't have unlimited time an resources. That part of the argument against him is petty and silly. Jabril is a better shooter now than any of the so called "Shooters" we have recruited in the past and he couldn't hit water next to the ocean when he got here. It's by far the easiest tool to improve on, give me a diversified game, shooting can be developed.. I would disagree. Look at Nate Lubick.
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Post by professorhoya on Jul 28, 2015 11:25:35 GMT -5
Range can be developed if you have good form. This is natural going from the high school 3pt line to college 3pt line to NBA. This is what happened with Trawick and Otto.
But if you have bad form then it's alot harder to correct that because you have to unlearn the bad habits that you have had for the past 10+ years of playing basketball.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 11:28:34 GMT -5
Again YOU HAVE TO BE SEEN TO BE RECRUITED.... You guys think coaches are going to go to the Zero Gravity tournament to scout 1 5'11 guard when they can go to Nike EYBL in Minneapolis and scout 50?? You're nuts. There's 5 evaluation periods in the summer staffs don't have unlimited time an resources. That part of the argument against him is petty and silly. Jabril is a better shooter now than any of the so called "Shooters" we have recruited in the past and he couldn't hit water next to the ocean when he got here. It's by far the easiest tool to improve on, give me a diversified game, shooting can be developed.. I would disagree. Look at Nate Lubick. Show me Nate working in the Gym on his jumper, it never happened. Guys have to put the work in.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jul 28, 2015 11:47:39 GMT -5
I would disagree. Look at Nate Lubick. Show me Nate working in the Gym on his jumper, it never happened. Guys have to put the work in. C'mon, Nate's dad was a coach, are we supposed to assume he didn't have keys to a gym to work on his shot? Or was he just going in there working on his bounce passes from the high post? Look, if the coaches think Bracey is worth a scholarship, great, sign him up. The reality is no other top programs have made the same decision. Maryland is one of the best recruiting teams in the nation right now, the kid's coming out of Baltimore, and the Terps haven't offered. That tells me something right there. Bracey is an interesting case from a recruiting standpoint in that we're supposed to assume that the Hoyas coaching staff knows something the rest of the college basketball world doesn't. I don't think it's unusual for fans to be a bit skeptical.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 11:50:28 GMT -5
A lot of posters much smarter than me were upset over Cameron over Hart. Remember we backed off on Hart because we signed Domingo (Shooter) then ended up signing a second shooter in Cameron, well.... Hart put the work in and now he is a better shooter than both of those guys and he was already better in every other area. Give me a diverse game and a strong work ethic over a limited player who has a reputation as a good shooter..
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Post by professorhoya on Jul 28, 2015 11:56:03 GMT -5
A lot of posters much smarter than me were upset over Cameron over Hart. Remember we backed off on Hart because we signed Domingo (Shooter) then ended up signing a second shooter in Cameron, well.... Hart put the work in and now he is a better shooter than both of those guys and he was already better in every other area. Give me a diverse game and a strong work ethic over a limited player who has a reputation as a good shooter.. I agree that you can't coach height and there's a limit to how much you can do with the athletic measureables of a player. Work ethic is vital too but that's hard to evaluate without some inside knowledge on the kid. I think with Bracey though his lack of size is a concern compared to Hart who already had NBA size and athletic measureables.
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Post by sleepy on Jul 28, 2015 11:58:23 GMT -5
He's 5'9 at best. Not exactly burning up a week AAU schedule.Wright was a clear top 75 rated and could shoot quite a bit better. We lose DSR and i think its a good bet Peak gives it very serious thought to leave even if he doesn't have a big season. Obviously i have never seen Bracey play. According to some the staff loves him. I'm concerned that if you bring in another small guard who from what i have seen on Video is challenged defensively, They had better get a very solid combo like the Brown kid from Boston who plays hard both ways. How do you know this? ' His height or numbers on his AAU circuit, he's been listed at any where from 5'8-5'11 guessing a little padding going on. From every thing ive seen he seems to have great penetration skilss both left and right against what appears to be some questionable opposition. I have nothing against Bracey but he needs to come in with a guard who he can play off of what he does and has some decent defensive abilities. A backcourt of Tre and almost any 5'9 guard scares me.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jul 28, 2015 12:03:03 GMT -5
A lot of posters much smarter than me were upset over Cameron over Hart. Remember we backed off on Hart because we signed Domingo (Shooter) then ended up signing a second shooter in Cameron, well.... Hart put the work in and now he is a better shooter than both of those guys and he was already better in every other area. Give me a diverse game and a strong work ethic over a limited player who has a reputation as a good shooter.. I agree that you can't coach height and there's a limit to how much you can do with the athletic measureables of a player. Work ethic is vital too but that's hard to evaluate without some inside knowledge on the kid. I think with Bracey though his lack of size is a concern compared to Hart who already had NBA size and athletic measureables. Another difference is that Hart had offers from the likes of Arizona, UCONN, and NC State among others...seemingly a higher quality list than what Bracey has. That said, it's not like the blue bloods were knocking down Hart's door. My recollection was that in a year with relatively limited scholarships to offer, the staff didn't feel it needed Hart when they already had a similar player in Jabril for another two years. Then, in hindsight, I've seen posters say that perhaps we don't get LJ Peak if Hart's already on the roster a year ahead of him. So, it's not like the Hoyas are/were completely empty at the positions Hart has played. But yeah, if he ends up being a 4-year contributor at Villanova with some all-conference play sprinkled in, I can see why fans wouldn't be thrilled that a kid that wanted to be a Hoya was never offered.
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