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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 12:04:29 GMT -5
Show me Nate working in the Gym on his jumper, it never happened. Guys have to put the work in. C'mon, Nate's dad was a coach, are we supposed to assume he didn't have keys to a gym to work on his shot? Or was he just going in there working on his bounce passes from the high post? Look, if the coaches think Bracey is worth a scholarship, great, sign him up. The reality is no other top programs have made the same decision. Maryland is one of the best recruiting teams in the nation right now, the kid's coming out of Baltimore, and the Terps haven't offered. That tells me something right there. Bracey is an interesting case from a recruiting standpoint in that we're supposed to assume that the Hoyas coaching staff knows something the rest of the college basketball world doesn't. I don't think it's unusual for fans to be a bit skeptical. Maryland has Cowan. Why would they recruit 2 sub 6'0 PG's?? Maryland absolutely recruited Day Day before they signed Cowan. Bino was at ST Francis games. So not sure what that tells you but again it's not a fair criticism. No idea what Nate's dad has to do with anything. He's a grown man, away from home, pops can't drive him to the gym he has to drive himself. Everybody on the Hilltop will tell you Nate's a great kid, Nobody on the Hilltop will tell you Nate was a hard worker. When he played in the AAU Super Showcase last Summer and won it he picked up all of those Midwest Offers (Marquette, Dayton and interest from Ohio State). Teams aren't going to offer a sub 6'0 PG as a rising Junior unless he can play and that was the last Major tourney he played in. Why do we have to assume the coaching staff knows something the College basketball world doesn't? The kid has HM offers other than Georgetown. 247sports.com/Player/Daquan-Bracey-76969
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 12:07:40 GMT -5
A lot of posters much smarter than me were upset over Cameron over Hart. Remember we backed off on Hart because we signed Domingo (Shooter) then ended up signing a second shooter in Cameron, well.... Hart put the work in and now he is a better shooter than both of those guys and he was already better in every other area. Give me a diverse game and a strong work ethic over a limited player who has a reputation as a good shooter.. I agree that you can't coach height and there's a limit to how much you can do with the athletic measureables of a player. Work ethic is vital too but that's hard to evaluate without some inside knowledge on the kid. I think with Bracey though his lack of size is a concern compared to Hart who already had NBA size and athletic measureables. Kid stays in the Gym... We have a roster full of 6'8 do everything types not worried about his height considering that fact. He's one piece not all the pieces in one.
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Post by bkhoya on Jul 28, 2015 12:11:50 GMT -5
Nate Lubick was a solid shooter in high school. I actually thought that was a strength. His main problem was he lost confidence very early at Georgetown and never regained it.
And don't get me started on Josh Hart. That was just a big mistake, particularly for Domingo who just got recruited over again at Cal.
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Post by hoyazeke on Jul 28, 2015 12:44:29 GMT -5
C'mon, Nate's dad was a coach, are we supposed to assume he didn't have keys to a gym to work on his shot? Or was he just going in there working on his bounce passes from the high post? Look, if the coaches think Bracey is worth a scholarship, great, sign him up. The reality is no other top programs have made the same decision. Maryland is one of the best recruiting teams in the nation right now, the kid's coming out of Baltimore, and the Terps haven't offered. That tells me something right there. Bracey is an interesting case from a recruiting standpoint in that we're supposed to assume that the Hoyas coaching staff knows something the rest of the college basketball world doesn't. I don't think it's unusual for fans to be a bit skeptical. Maryland has Cowan. Why would they recruit 2 sub 6'0 PG's?? Maryland absolutely recruited Day Day before they signed Cowan. Bino was at ST Francis games. So not sure what that tells you but again it's not a fair criticism. No idea what Nate's dad has to do with anything. He's a grown man, away from home, pops can't drive him to the gym he has to drive himself. Everybody on the Hilltop will tell you Nate's a great kid, Nobody on the Hilltop will tell you Nate was a hard worker. When he played in the AAU Super Showcase last Summer and won it he picked up all of those Midwest Offers (Marquette, Dayton and interest from Ohio State). Teams aren't going to offer a sub 6'0 PG as a rising Junior unless he can play and that was the last Major tourney he played in. Why do we have to assume the coaching staff knows something the College basketball world doesn't? The kid has HM offers other than Georgetown. 247sports.com/Player/Daquan-Bracey-76969 My thought exactly YaBoy. I'm not in Maryland but I assumed that since Cowan was a heavy Terps lean, in the same class, and of similar stature, that was why Maryland wasn't in on the recruiting of Da Da. Sleepy, he isn't tearing it up in scoring but his assist are up and his TOs are down. Every update that we have received has been all positive about his play this summer. I want the kid.......
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Post by hoyazeke on Jul 28, 2015 12:48:30 GMT -5
Nate Lubick was a solid shooter in high school. I actually thought that was a strength. His main problem was he lost confidence very early at Georgetown and never regained it. And don't get me started on Josh Hart. That was just a big mistake, particularly for Domingo who just got recruited over again at Cal. Nate shot and made quite a few Js his freshman and sophomore years. Then he just stop shooting anything but a layup. I don't care about his father being a coach because his form was plan ugly. So I don't think his father coached much outside of the paint........
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 28, 2015 12:57:23 GMT -5
Again YOU HAVE TO BE SEEN TO BE RECRUITED.... You guys think coaches are going to go to the Zero Gravity tournament to scout 1 5'11 guard when they can go to Nike EYBL in Minneapolis and scout 50?? You're nuts. There's 5 evaluation periods in the summer staffs don't have unlimited time an resources. That part of the argument against him is petty and silly.Jabril is a better shooter now than any of the so called "Shooters" we have recruited in the past and he couldn't hit water next to the ocean when he got here. It's by far the easiest tool to improve on, give me a diversified game, shooting can be developed.. Its like you're saying that Bracey doesn't play with or against any scholarship worthy kids when he's at these Zero Gravity tourneys.. It's not about coaches showing up to see him but coaches showing up to see players.. I gotta ask also, isn't it a coaches responsibility to get his players seen? Especially on the aau level.. He did play at the Oladipo camp last week, there was definitely a lot of programs in the gym for that..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 13:28:16 GMT -5
Again YOU HAVE TO BE SEEN TO BE RECRUITED.... You guys think coaches are going to go to the Zero Gravity tournament to scout 1 5'11 guard when they can go to Nike EYBL in Minneapolis and scout 50?? You're nuts. There's 5 evaluation periods in the summer staffs don't have unlimited time an resources. That part of the argument against him is petty and silly.Jabril is a better shooter now than any of the so called "Shooters" we have recruited in the past and he couldn't hit water next to the ocean when he got here. It's by far the easiest tool to improve on, give me a diversified game, shooting can be developed.. Its like you're saying that Bracey doesn't play with or against any scholarship worthy kids when he's at these Zero Gravity tourneys.. It's not about coaches showing up to see him but coaches showing up to see players.. I gotta ask also, isn't it a coaches responsibility to get his players seen? Especially on the aau level.. He did play at the Oladipo camp last week, there was definitely a lot of programs in the gym for that.. And he did well... E you know your my guy but you posted a whole article on Michigan going after under the radar types. Kids no other staffs where on. You said it was a sound strategy for them and Gtown should do the same.... Now your saying it's about AAU play and playing in National tournaments. If had a reputation as a knock down shooter would you be on board?
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 28, 2015 18:18:09 GMT -5
Its like you're saying that Bracey doesn't play with or against any scholarship worthy kids when he's at these Zero Gravity tourneys.. It's not about coaches showing up to see him but coaches showing up to see players.. I gotta ask also, isn't it a coaches responsibility to get his players seen? Especially on the aau level.. He did play at the Oladipo camp last week, there was definitely a lot of programs in the gym for that.. And he did well... E you know your my guy but you posted a whole article on Michigan going after under the radar types. Kids no other staffs where on. You said it was a sound strategy for them and Gtown should do the same.... Now your saying it's about AAU play and playing in National tournaments. If had a reputation as a knock down shooter would you be on board? It's all good Yaboy, it's a healthy debate that I enjoy.. I agree, from the 2 clips(I posted one is his thread, the other one is below) I've seen of the camp he definitely displayed the burst he's known for, he even hit a jumper from the wing.. That's why the lack of interest puzzles me, it's clear he has talent so it makes me wonder why he's not getting interest even from lower level schools.. My hope is that schools know he's locked into G'town so they're not bothering.. Believe me when I tell you I want to buy in because it looks like he'll be a Hoya(if/when he does I'll root like crazy for him) but I have to be honest & state my opinion.. I still feel the Michigan strategy is a sound one but I didn't mean that kids were literally un-recruited by any other program.. They feel they're getting kids that peer schools don't value.. Michigan may have gotten steals with Levert or Albrecht or Dawkins but all of those kids were recruited by MM type programs which is what I think Bracey should be recruited by at least.. If he were a knock down shooter I'd feel better but I'd still have my reservations, Bracey seems to be an uptempo ball in his hands push it type player and JT3 doesn't have his teams play that way on a consistent basis.. I know JT3 adjusts to his personnel but what he really does is adjust to his "best" personnel, I don't see Bracey being one of the best players on the team at any point so his best attributes may be minimized in this system.. I hold no belief that JT3 will change his core philosophies on how his teams will play so I say get kids who align with what he likes to do..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 19:18:54 GMT -5
And he did well... E you know your my guy but you posted a whole article on Michigan going after under the radar types. Kids no other staffs where on. You said it was a sound strategy for them and Gtown should do the same.... Now your saying it's about AAU play and playing in National tournaments. If had a reputation as a knock down shooter would you be on board? It's all good Yaboy, it's a healthy debate that I enjoy.. I agree, from the 2 clips(I posted one is his thread, the other one is below) I've seen of the camp he definitely displayed the burst he's known for, he even hit a jumper from the wing.. That's why the lack of interest puzzles me, it's clear he has talent so it makes me wonder why he's not getting interest even from lower level schools.. My hope is that schools know he's locked into G'town so they're not bothering.. Believe me when I tell you I want to buy in because it looks like he'll be a Hoya(if/when he does I'll root like crazy for him) but I have to be honest & state my opinion.. I still feel the Michigan strategy is a sound one but I didn't mean that kids were literally un-recruited by any other program.. They feel they're getting kids that peer schools don't value.. Michigan may have gotten steals with Levert or Albrecht or Dawkins but all of those kids were recruited by MM type programs which is what I think Bracey should be recruited by at least.. If he were a knock down shooter I'd feel better but I'd still have my reservations, Bracey seems to be an uptempo ball in his hands push it type player and JT3 doesn't have his teams play that way on a consistent basis.. I know JT3 adjusts to his personnel but what he really does is adjust to his "best" personnel, I don't see Bracey being one of the best players on the team at any point so his best attributes may be minimized in this system.. I hold no belief that JT3 will change his core philosophies on how his teams will play so I say get kids who align with what he likes to do.. It's fine if posters want to have their opinions but the staff has seen this kid more than any recruit in 2016, they know what he can and can't do and how he will fit into their system better than anybody on this board. They offered him early and haven't waivered so they must be sure. Honestly I see this the exact opposite and that's why I think it's good that they are pushing hard for a guard in this mold. You don't recruit a kid to run the show like Bracey unless you want to play fast. 3's been talking about playing faster and we have made steps in that direction but you have to have the correct personnel to play fast. Bracey TyFrost fit that mold. I see more uptempo not less, think this shows they are serious about playing faster moving forward.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jul 28, 2015 22:21:14 GMT -5
I agree that you can't coach height and there's a limit to how much you can do with the athletic measureables of a player. Work ethic is vital too but that's hard to evaluate without some inside knowledge on the kid. I think with Bracey though his lack of size is a concern compared to Hart who already had NBA size and athletic measureables. Kid stays in the Gym... We have a roster full of 6'8 do everything types not worried about his height considering that fact. He's one piece not all the pieces in one. I think Yaboy hit on the key with Bracey! If you surround him with size, a roster of legit 6'6" and up skilled and athletic players like we will have his freshman year. He can be a change a pace guard much like Ulis is at Kentucky. Bracey is a jitter bug on the court. Quick, shifty and can play all 94ft. I have seen Bracey play twice and the kid plays with no fear. His jumper will keep defenses honest. Incidentally the first time I saw Bracey play, JTIII was there and it was against Gilman (Tyler Foster's former school). Ty Foster was the best player on the court that night against Bracey and Andre Rafus. Bracey definitely showed he is a legit prospect. I just think you can make up for his lack of size by surrounding him with size/length. If we sign Bracey and 7th Woods, that could lead to a very small future back court and defensive match up problems. If the staff was to sign Bracey and offer and sign DeAndre Hunter (I agree with YaBoy %100 that Hunter is one of the top 50 kids in this class and could easily play the 2 ala Greg W.) who is 6'7" then I feel the rest of the teams length will make up for Bracey's lack of size/length.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 29, 2015 10:51:43 GMT -5
Guard height is overrated in college.
In the NBA, it's extremely tough to have a short backcourt and to be a short guard period. The defenses are simply too good, the players too skilled on offense and everyone is just really tall.
In the NBA, you take and make a lot of contested or close to contested jumpers. Those extra inches on offense and defense make a HUGE difference. In the NBA, bigger guards develop post up games to punish smaller players.
College has a lot more open shots because defenses aren't nearly as good. Unless our whole team is small, we're rarely going to need a player like Bracey to take a contested jumper over a taller defender. And on the flipside, the extra inches Bracey is giving up will mean less, simply because players aren't good enough for those 4 inches to be a huge gap in whether that shot goes in. You affect the shooter more from farther away in college. And there's virtually no college guards with a post guard that they run for more than a play (they should. They don't.)
Not that it's not a negative, it is. All things equal, height is good. But it's not the problem in college it is in the NBA.
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Post by daymondmyles on Jul 29, 2015 12:13:42 GMT -5
Agreed. Even if you want to disregard more elite short guards like Ulis, just look at somebody like Travis Trice, a short guard who wasn't highly regarded at all but still found a way to be one of the best players and possibly the best scorer on a Final 4 team.
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Post by lda05816 on Jul 29, 2015 12:22:30 GMT -5
Other than Jones, any other visits scheduled for '16 kids?
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Post by professorhoya on Jul 29, 2015 13:02:30 GMT -5
Agreed. Even if you want to disregard more elite short guards like Ulis, just look at somebody like Travis Trice, a short guard who wasn't highly regarded at all but still found a way to be one of the best players and possibly the best scorer on a Final 4 team. Trice is 6-0. That's not really that short for an NCAA point guard. I think there's a big difference between being 6-0 and 5-9 like Tyler Uliss or the supposed 5-8 to 5-10 of Bracey.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jul 29, 2015 14:11:14 GMT -5
Hell, Muggsy Bogues was 5'3" and made it to the league
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Post by prhoya on Jul 29, 2015 14:15:00 GMT -5
Guard height is overrated in college. In the NBA, it's extremely tough to have a short backcourt and to be a short guard period. The defenses are simply too good, the players too skilled on offense and everyone is just really tall. In the NBA, you take and make a lot of contested or close to contested jumpers. Those extra inches on offense and defense make a HUGE difference. In the NBA, bigger guards develop post up games to punish smaller players. College has a lot more open shots because defenses aren't nearly as good. Unless our whole team is small, we're rarely going to need a player like Bracey to take a contested jumper over a taller defender. And on the flipside, the extra inches Bracey is giving up will mean less, simply because players aren't good enough for those 4 inches to be a huge gap in whether that shot goes in. You affect the shooter more from farther away in college. And there's virtually no college guards with a post guard that they run for more than a play (they should. They don't.) Not that it's not a negative, it is. All things equal, height is good. But it's not the problem in college it is in the NBA. What's important is that these shorter players not have big flaws in their games, have the right attitude to fit GU's program, know how their roles, and have high bball I.Q.s. Big cojones are a plus. Take, for example, JJ Barea. He went to Northeastern and was one of the highest scorers in the nation. He's a 9-yr NBA veteran, NBA champion and, at 31 years old, just got a 4-yr, $16M contract from Dallas. I've stood next to him and he's no more than 5'10". But, he plays like a leader or a role player, as needed, has mostly no flaws to his game and has a high bball I.Q. I've only seen videos of Bracey. Does he have major flaws to his game? How about bball I.Q.? Can he mold his game and his role as needed at GU? I trust the staff to have answered these questions.
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Post by daymondmyles on Jul 29, 2015 17:24:50 GMT -5
Agreed. Even if you want to disregard more elite short guards like Ulis, just look at somebody like Travis Trice, a short guard who wasn't highly regarded at all but still found a way to be one of the best players and possibly the best scorer on a Final 4 team. Trice is 6-0. That's not really that short for an NCAA point guard. I think there's a big difference between being 6-0 and 5-9 like Tyler Uliss or the supposed 5-8 to 5-10 of Bracey. Except Trice was listed as 5'11 coming out of high school and so is Bracey.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 18:06:26 GMT -5
And Trice is a SG..really undersized for a 2....
Peyto Siva would be another guy
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Post by prhoya on Jul 30, 2015 14:46:26 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 16:51:27 GMT -5
Uconn just offered Gtown has not
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