hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on May 10, 2013 20:58:15 GMT -5
Surprised he was able to latch on to such a good program. Best of luck to him. He stayed classy with his remarks on his departure. This. Good luck to him. Hope he develops.
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kghoya
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Post by kghoya on May 10, 2013 21:20:08 GMT -5
Athletic 6-10 guys generally get a second chance. Good luck to a kid that seemed to really enjoy Georgetown and holds no hard feelings.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 10, 2013 22:13:59 GMT -5
You get older, you move to Florida. I think it's deeply embedded in Jersey culture. Lol. Yep. Sending my kids to Boca del Vista State College. Phase I or Phase II?
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Post by nashvillehoyas on May 11, 2013 14:04:31 GMT -5
Wishing Brandon Bolden a very productive career at Kansas State.
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Post by This Just In on May 14, 2013 9:41:38 GMT -5
If Brandon Bolden develops at Kansas State we will look back at what could have been...
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 14, 2013 10:27:20 GMT -5
If Brandon Bolden develops at Kansas State we will look back at what could have been... Maybe, but we can't look at it that way. By all accounts, it seems like Bolden enjoyed Georgetown. My guess is that he is leaving for playing time reasons. With Josh Smith, Moses Ayegba, Hopkins, and Hayes seemingly ahead of him on the depth chart, it would have been tough for Bolden to get playing time. For Bolden personally, this is probably the best move for him, because it may place him somewhere where he can get playing time, plus it gives him an extra year to develop (something he would not have had at Georgetown). If you look at the odds, most transfers don't do anything special at their new school. For Bolden's sake, I wish him well and hope he succeeds, but statistically, the odds we will have any regrets are pretty small.
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Post by strummer8526 on May 14, 2013 10:46:47 GMT -5
If Brandon Bolden develops at Kansas State we will look back at what could have been... Maybe, but we can't look at it that way. By all accounts, it seems like Bolden enjoyed Georgetown. My guess is that he is leaving for playing time reasons. With Josh Smith, Moses Ayegba, Hopkins, and Hayes seemingly ahead of him on the depth chart, it would have been tough for Bolden to get playing time. For Bolden personally, this is probably the best move for him, because it may place him somewhere where he can get playing time, plus it gives him an extra year to develop (something he would not have had at Georgetown). If you look at the odds, most transfers don't do anything special at their new school. For Bolden's sake, I wish him well and hope he succeeds, but statistically, the odds we will have any regrets are pretty small. Sure, there's a list of guys ahead of him on the depth chart, but the problem is that several of them probably won't get enough time to develop or prove themselves either. We say Hayes is ahead of Bolden, and even Hayes was glued to the bench while Hopkins went out there and played a mediocre (at best) center. I think many of us will think "what could have been" about a few of these guys, especially if Hopkins remains as unproductive as he was last season.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 14, 2013 11:41:35 GMT -5
Maybe, but we can't look at it that way. By all accounts, it seems like Bolden enjoyed Georgetown. My guess is that he is leaving for playing time reasons. With Josh Smith, Moses Ayegba, Hopkins, and Hayes seemingly ahead of him on the depth chart, it would have been tough for Bolden to get playing time. For Bolden personally, this is probably the best move for him, because it may place him somewhere where he can get playing time, plus it gives him an extra year to develop (something he would not have had at Georgetown). If you look at the odds, most transfers don't do anything special at their new school. For Bolden's sake, I wish him well and hope he succeeds, but statistically, the odds we will have any regrets are pretty small. Sure, there's a list of guys ahead of him on the depth chart, but the problem is that several of them probably won't get enough time to develop or prove themselves either. We say Hayes is ahead of Bolden, and even Hayes was glued to the bench while Hopkins went out there and played a mediocre (at best) center. I think many of us will think "what could have been" about a few of these guys, especially if Hopkins remains as unproductive as he was last season. I do agree that Hopkins' performance was very weak, and I do think others deserved some time, particularly Moses (who did get more time toward the end of the season). I would have liked to see Hayes or Bolden get a little time, but regardless there would have still been guys on the bench. We had a lot of big guys last year - Hopkins, Moses, Hayes, Bolden, and that doesn't include Lubick, who was always going to get minutes. No matter how the rotation worked, at least one person would have gotten little time. The inherent tension is that with 13 people on a roster, and playing time for 10 max (and in our team's case, usually 8-9), there will be people who sit who might inevitably transfer. I know people here clamor for a bigger rotation, but there has never been a situation where a player gets no time at Georgetown, transfers, and then blooms into a star player. It hasn't happened and it's unlikely to happen.
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Post by skyhoya on May 14, 2013 12:41:52 GMT -5
does anyone remember Jerelle Bennimon, couldn't be a starter here, transferred, sat out a year and became the CAA player of the year. The CAA has had two final four teams recently, VCU and Mason. Georgetown has gone only one in the same time frame
Some players just need a chance. others will never make it either.
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Post by kghoya on May 14, 2013 15:56:58 GMT -5
does anyone remember Jerelle Bennimon, couldn't be a starter here, transferred, sat out a year and became the CAA player of the year. The CAA has had two final four teams recently, VCU and Mason. Georgetown has gone only one in the same time frame Some players just need a chance. others will never make it either. You can't keep every player around because they might be the next Jerrelle Benimon. It's called the exception to the rule. Also, sometimes a change in scenery is what a player needs to improve/get motivated.
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Post by Boz on May 14, 2013 16:09:58 GMT -5
I believe the point was that no one goes from "glued to the bench" to stardom.
Benimon got a lot of minutes here. 10-12 per game. He got so many minutes, in fact, I seem to recall lots of Hoyatalkers Editeding and moaning about all the time he was on the floor.
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Post by nashvillehoyas on May 14, 2013 16:17:47 GMT -5
I am always amazed to what I consider young student/athletes limiting themselves by choosing "brand name or brand name conferences." I am curious if Bolden or his family considered Howard University or other HBCU universities. He would get quality playing time and receive a great education. Nevertheless, I wish this young man much success both personally and athletically.
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Post by rockhoya on May 14, 2013 16:25:32 GMT -5
I don't get it...why even suggest hbcu?
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Post by 757hoyafan on May 14, 2013 18:39:15 GMT -5
I am always amazed to what I consider young student/athletes limiting themselves by choosing "brand name or brand name conferences." I am curious if Bolden or his family considered Howard University or other HBCU universities. He would get quality playing time and receive a great education. Nevertheless, I wish this young man much success both personally and athletically. Perception is probably why.
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Post by professorhoya on May 14, 2013 21:36:07 GMT -5
does anyone remember Jerelle Bennimon, couldn't be a starter here, transferred, sat out a year and became the CAA player of the year. The CAA has had two final four teams recently, VCU and Mason. Georgetown has gone only one in the same time frame
Some players just need a chance. others will never make it either. Not sure why you would compare an entire conference to one school. The proper comparison would be that the Big East has had 8 final fours (UConn x 2, Villanova, West Virginia, Lousivill x 2, Syracuse, Georgetown) in that same time span with two of those teams being National Champions (UConn, Lousiville) compared to 2 for the CAA (VCU and Mason). Much tougher conference. On top of that, VCU is no longer in the CAA, Laranaga left Mason, and ODU isn't as strong as in the past, so it was a really weak CAA this year. Bennimon's shown that he can put up consistent numbers vs inferior competition as he did in high school. The question is can he do it consistently vs high level competition. I don't think we will know that till he makes the NBA. It shouldn't be a surprise that guys who couldn't cut it here and in the Big East thrive elsewhere. Look at Omar Wattad who lit up the Southern Conference and is now playing pro ball in Israel. Or Nikita who is making good money in Europe. I think it just goes to show how high the level of competition is at Georgetown and the Big East when the transfers go elsewhere and thrive.
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Post by professorhoya on May 14, 2013 21:54:50 GMT -5
If the Copeland stuff is true, I just hope we have a real plan for him, and that we're 100% sure he's going to play next year. While I think he's probably good enough to get decent minutes next year, the worst case scenario is really what happened with Domingo this year, where we bring him in only to let him ride the bench. Doesn't help the team, doesn't help the player and can damage relations with high school coaches. I don't see it as a waste though. Especially if we are still trying to use Princeton principles then it's better off having a year here learning the system rather than staying in high school and playing AAU style ball for another year. For us the best case scenario is for someone like Domingo to come in and immediately become an impact player like Otto Porter or Greg Monroe. Obviously, it didn't happen with Domingo this year. He would have gotten more time if he played well but he couldn't even hit his 3pt shot which is supposed to be his strength. Given the limitations of the program compared to a college $$$$ superpowers like Kentucky or Kansas, we are rarely going to get the Andre Wiggins, or Nerlen Noels type consensus #1 player in the nation. Which means we have to be creative and gamble and find kind of under the rader diamonds in the roughs like Otto Porter or Hibbert. Look at alot of our recruits. Alot of them are under the radar guys. 1. IIRC Moses had just come over from Africa and had only played one year of high school ball in America. He reclassified late and the feeling was that his ranking would have been alot higher if he had one more year hear. 2. Hollis. He came early in January IIRC. With him also, the feeling was that his ranking would have been higher by the end of the year. 3. Otto. Unknown on the AAU circuit. If he had gone on the AAU circuit then his ranking would likely have been much higher. 4. Domingo 5. Bolden. Snag him early based on potential. It's almost like minor league baseball where Georgetown has to have an elite farm system that can find these prospects and diamonds in the rough and develop them through the farm system because we don't have the luxury of being the New York Yankees who can just swoop in and sign any highly rated prospect. I think we've done a great job considering our circumstances.
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Post by skyhoya on May 15, 2013 7:38:46 GMT -5
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Post by Filo on May 15, 2013 8:07:29 GMT -5
Can you conflate topics any better than this? You brought up Benimon in yet another unrelated thread, and then threw out some things about the conference that he is now playing in. Someone responded and showed how ludicrous that implication was. Now you are moving from there to complain about living in the past. Might I suggest some Adderall?
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2013 8:15:06 GMT -5
What makes a team a “Mid Major” vs a “High Major”? Serious question..
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skyhoya
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Post by skyhoya on May 15, 2013 8:24:14 GMT -5
good question, I guess there is no longer a line between them with conference re-alignment.
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