rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on May 2, 2013 10:55:46 GMT -5
So if Copeland shows up next year I'm worried about playing time issues with Bowen, Moses, Domingo, and Cameron. I don't know if I want copeland on the hilltop early or if it would actually be ok if Greg left after being suspended most of last year. I think I would be better with Greg leaving (only if Copeland arrives early) rather than Domingo/Cameron getting minimal minutes. We will probably need Domingo and Cameron more over the next couple of years than we will need Whit. 1. Markel/DSR 2. DSR/Jabril 3. Greg/Copeland/Bowen 4. Nate/Cameron 5. Smith/Mikael/Moses No offense but having Greg leave to make more minutes for some unproven players? That makes absolutely no sense......the majority of this board seems to not realize the kind of talent he is and the ignorance is spreading.
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biggmanu
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Post by biggmanu on May 2, 2013 11:02:29 GMT -5
Greg is no doubt a great hoya defender and overall talent. I don't think this team will lack in the shooting department if he leaves. I'd rather have important developmental minutes go to the "unprovens", so they can prove themselves (and will probably be on the hilltop longer than Greg). Also, Greg at one point was an unproven and it was those freshman minutes that got him the experience he needed to help us fans realize what a great talent he is. I'm just worried that opportunity might not be there for Cameron and Domingo next year. I don't want to see him go, i'm just saying it wouldn't be the worst thing ever.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 2, 2013 11:25:59 GMT -5
The discussions are way too bizarre for early May - pace your craziness people, we have months to go!
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 2, 2013 12:07:14 GMT -5
It still surprises me that so many people put emphasis on Benimon's success at Towson, as though that means he would have been a huge help at Georgetown. I have posted more extensively about it in the past, but the competition Benimon faced (and the people guarding him defensively) was not even remotely close to the level he would have faced in the Big East. Additionally, keep in mind last year would have been Benimon's senior year at Georgetown. In 2011-2012 (the year he sat out), it's hard to imagine he would have gotten significant minutes. He may have taken some minutes from Lubick, but Lubick would have started anyway and Benimon's impact would have probably been minimal. This past year, Benimon might have gotten some time too, but Porter also played a good amount of minutes at the 4, and Benimon couldn't play center. I have nothing against Benimon and I am glad to see him succeed, but Benimon is not the type of impact player that would have made a huge difference had he been on the roster last season. With Bolden, there's always the chance he could go somewhere else and flourish, but more often than not, it doesn't happen. How does it surprise you? He looked very good against us.... Maybe "surprise" is the wrong word. He may have looked pretty good against us, but that was also one of our worst games of the year, by far, too. My biggest point is that you need to adjust Benimon's numbers to consider the fact that he played in the Colonial Athletic Association, rather than the Big East. His offensive efficiency was 106.2, which isn't bad, but does anybody think it would have been that high in the Big East? To give some perspective, Greg Whittington's offensive efficiency has never broken 100. Would anybody seriously say Benimon is the better player? To be fair, Benimon clearly improved from his time at Georgetown, no doubt. I am not saying Benimon would have been useless, I just don't think he would have added a whole lot that we didn't get from other people.
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DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on May 2, 2013 12:10:11 GMT -5
We will probably need Domingo and Cameron more over the next couple of years than we will need Whit. 1. Markel/DSR 2. DSR/Jabril 3. Greg/Copeland/Bowen 4. Nate/Cameron 5. Smith/Mikael/Moses It is common practice on HoyaTalk to project more minutes to freshmen in the off-season and find out otherwise (see Bolden, Hayes, Domingo). The staff rewards experience and freshmen don't take over the lineup. With that in mind, OK, one wild guess at the depth chart: 1. Starks 2. Trawick/DSR platoon 3. Whittington, with Bowen ahead of Domingo and Caprio 4. Lubick, with Hopkins maybe seeing spot duty at PF with Cameron learning the ropes 5. Smith, with Ayegba and Hayes on the ready. Still thin at guard...
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 2, 2013 12:14:34 GMT -5
DFW, I think that's a pretty accurate assessment, though I think Hopkins will see time at the 5 before Smith becomes eligible. Granted, if Hopkins doesn't improve at all, I would prefer to see Moses/Hayes get minutes to get them more game experience, but given the coaching staff's likelihood of giving time to experienced players, I think Hopkins will probably see time as Center and start there, at least until Smith becomes eligible.
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on May 2, 2013 12:17:38 GMT -5
Call me crazy all you want but Greg as an overall talent is pretty equal to Otto. The few games Otto was out he was hitting the midrange jumpers and boarding at a high level. Before the season no one really saw Otto as a first team AA player, but he proved it after Whitt went out. While they were playing alongside each other they were fairly equal (in terms of impact). Greg is a better defender, ball handler, athlete, and shot creator. They are comparable passers and rebounders (though I think Greg is better when crashing from the wing, Otto better from the paint). Otto is a more consistent shooter from 3, in the midrange, and at the line (lets not forget that Greg was a much better 3pt shooter in year one, so he's shown to be capable). Greg is a better finisher.
Greg knows what he needs to work on to be as effective as his brother, Otto. He has the ability.
Like I said, call me crazy but I think he's a program changer just like Roy, Jeff, and Otto (coming from the guy that predicted Otto as Jeff 2.0 before he even played a game at GU). Even before last season I figured he'd be a much better Hoya than a guy like Dajuan. Lets try to keep things in perspective and realize how valuable that really is. In no way should any of his minutes be reduced for an unproven. Just like it has been said, they'll be in the hilltop longer so they'll get their chance to develop. Seldom are players that young effective in JT3's system anyway. Greg has the ability, along with Markel and whoever else steps up, to lead the Hoyas to a very successful season. Taking minutes away from him would only reduce his potential impact.
The success of last years sophs are an exception. I still say that if Tyler had been available all along, that class would go down as one of the best in Hoya history. It had arguably two 2-and-done talents, and three guys that would have solid 4 year careers.
Of course, this is a conversation for the offseason. We will see how everything pans out next year when we see just how much Greg, Brilly, Hop, and the rest of the team improves.
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calhoya
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Post by calhoya on May 2, 2013 12:34:29 GMT -5
Interesting to note that as good as Otto was last year and early this year, he really "took off" when Greg left. Whether it was it added responsibility, a more prominent role, or simply a natural evolution is unknown. However, if Greg can improve his shot and decisionmaking, he has the height, aggresiveness, defensive prowess and athleticism to be as good as Otto was down the stretch.
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on May 2, 2013 12:53:34 GMT -5
I'm referring to this past season as "last year".
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biggmanu
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Post by biggmanu on May 2, 2013 15:07:14 GMT -5
We will probably need Domingo and Cameron more over the next couple of years than we will need Whit. 1. Markel/DSR 2. DSR/Jabril 3. Greg/Copeland/Bowen 4. Nate/Cameron 5. Smith/Mikael/Moses It is common practice on HoyaTalk to project more minutes to freshmen in the off-season and find out otherwise (see Bolden, Hayes, Domingo). The staff rewards experience and freshmen don't take over the lineup. With that in mind, OK, one wild guess at the depth chart: 1. Starks 2. Trawick/DSR platoon 3. Whittington, with Bowen ahead of Domingo and Caprio 4. Lubick, with Hopkins maybe seeing spot duty at PF with Cameron learning the ropes 5. Smith, with Ayegba and Hayes on the ready. Still thin at guard... DFW - DSR is the best player on this team. I think he is going to play a lot more than just a platoon with Bril.
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on May 2, 2013 15:19:06 GMT -5
Best player? Please. He's not even the best guard.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 2, 2013 15:37:57 GMT -5
However with DSR as possibly our #2 scoring option(at least before Josh is eligible), how content will he be to come off the bench again - especially if he thinks he may have to wait until JT graduates before he can start in his senior season?
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Post by mfk24 on May 2, 2013 16:15:37 GMT -5
However with DSR as possibly our #2 scoring option(at least before Josh is eligible), how content will he be to come off the bench again - especially if he thinks he may have to wait until JT graduates before he can start in his senior season? Huh? DSR moves into the starting line-up as a junior when Starks graduates. We're extremely thin at guard, seem to prefer to play combo guards at the 1 anyway, so it makes sense that DSR slides into that role. He'd likely start alongside a senior Trawick. Even if III were to bring in a PG/combo in 2014, or even a 2/3, no way they would start ahead of someone else unless they're a super stud, McD AA type, which as we all know is probably not happening.
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Post by HometownHoya on May 2, 2013 16:29:18 GMT -5
I see DSR starting and Trawick as the back-up at the 1/2. DSR has more PG talent but he is also the better scorer then Trawick. I'd prefer JT3 keep Jabril on the bench until we see which guard is struggling. Even if he comes in at the 2, I'm sure DSR will slide over to the "1" and both will handle the ball a decent amount.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2013 17:21:43 GMT -5
You guys are forgetting that just like last year Jabril will see time at the 3 position. Greg will probably get some minutes at the 4 too, just like Otto...
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Post by rosslynhoya on May 2, 2013 18:45:54 GMT -5
Recruits (and fans and basically everyone) wil hear what they want to hear. Could not care less about these one or two quotes from players who transferred. They are more than counter-balanced by the quotes from Greg, Roy, Jeff (and I am sure soon to come from Otto) and NBA GMs who talk about how prepared GU players are when they get into the league. Players who come in and transfer out because they have a problem with the offense or the system or whatever are just blowing smoke -- they knew that was what they were getting when they came in, and their transfers / early departures were for other reasons. Could have been personal reasons, but it usually just comes down to PT. More importantly, journalists will print whatever they think their audience wants to hear. Benimon could have spent two hours with that student reporter talking about all the things he liked about GU and it still would have been trimmed down to the two most damning lines about how Towson rules and Georgetown drools. Even so, nothing he said was that horrible or couldn't have been written off to some mild ego-salving. Remember too that we ultimately lost that entire recruiting class early (JB, Vee, and Hollis). I still am prone to believing that they just didn't gel socially with the guys in then two classes immediately before them (Austin, Chris, Julian with Jason Clark and Henry).
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 2, 2013 19:03:55 GMT -5
I see DSR starting and Trawick as the back-up at the 1/2. DSR has more PG talent but he is also the better scorer then Trawick. I'd prefer JT3 keep Jabril on the bench until we see which guard is struggling. Even if he comes in at the 2, I'm sure DSR will slide over to the "1" and both will handle the ball a decent amount. Regardless of whether DSR starts, I think he will probably see starter-like minutes, as he did in the Big East season. Starks and DSR are the best proven offensive players we have and we'll need them. We could actually put out quite a good offensive lineup with a combination including Starks, DSR, Whittington, and Smith. If Whittington becomes more efficient than in the past, and Smith lives up to expectations, we could actually have quite a good offensive team next year, at least once Smith becomes eligible. Also, because we are so thin at guard, I think that alone will give Starks, DSR, and Trawick plenty of playing time. I think this is even more true if JTIII is willing to go small, and push Whittington to the 4, with Lubick/Smith at the 5. I wouldn't be surprised if we see lineups featuring Starks-DSR-Trawick-Whittington-Smith, or something like that. That's probably our best offense on paper.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 2, 2013 19:21:05 GMT -5
However with DSR as possibly our #2 scoring option(at least before Josh is eligible), how content will he be to come off the bench again - especially if he thinks he may have to wait until JT graduates before he can start in his senior season? Huh? DSR moves into the starting line-up as a junior when Starks graduates. We're extremely thin at guard, seem to prefer to play combo guards at the 1 anyway, so it makes sense that DSR slides into that role. He'd likely start alongside a senior Trawick. Even if III were to bring in a PG/combo in 2014, or even a 2/3, no way they would start ahead of someone else unless they're a super stud, McD AA type, which as we all know is probably not happening. That may well happen - but I doubt JTIII would promise that ahead of time, so DSR may have some doubt.
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Post by This Just In on May 2, 2013 20:22:43 GMT -5
Markel Starks is the best guard on the team, not DSR..Why?? Cause Markel Starks is the only guard who could consistently get to the rim...is that idea being questioned??
Also as far as Jerrelle Benimon and Nate Lubick, who is the better Power Forward right now??
Who plays the better defense? Who is the better offensive threat?
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Post by superan on May 3, 2013 9:39:27 GMT -5
Thought this said Brandon Bowman for a split second.
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