|
Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 1, 2013 10:38:31 GMT -5
There's no indication that Bolden was pushed out, and there has never been any evidence that Summers was pushed out either. People make stuff up all the time, and repeat it like it's fact, when it's not.
Until Georgetown comments on the transfer (probably never) or Brandon Bolden comments (possible, eventually), there's really no way to know what's going on. What we do know is that Bolden got almost no playing time this past year, and he didn't project to get any playing time in the next year or so, either. If we are going to guess at the motivation for leaving, I think that's probably a better bet.
|
|
whipple
Century (over 100 posts)
Posts: 129
|
Post by whipple on May 1, 2013 11:14:55 GMT -5
Who cares if people assume he's "pushed out," Georgetown just doesn't need more of these-type comments (from current honorable mention all-americans) lighting up google and twitter: "I just wasn’t having fun anymore. I think it was me not liking the offense a lot.” (Benimon Talks About Georgetown Transfer, 11/26/12) www.hoyasaxa.com/sports/archives/archive1112.htm#22I wish all transfers the best, but these kids feel a need to knock the dirt off their shoes as they go. I hope BB is not one of them!
|
|
|
Post by FrazierFanatic on May 1, 2013 12:26:42 GMT -5
There's no indication that Bolden was pushed out, and there has never been any evidence that Summers was pushed out either. People make stuff up all the time, and repeat it like it's fact, when it's not. Until Georgetown comments on the transfer (probably never) or Brandon Bolden comments (possible, eventually), there's really no way to know what's going on. What we do know is that Bolden got almost no playing time this past year, and he didn't project to get any playing time in the next year or so, either. If we are going to guess at the motivation for leaving, I think that's probably a better bet. +1
|
|
|
Post by strummer8526 on May 1, 2013 13:43:56 GMT -5
Who cares if people assume he's "pushed out," Georgetown just doesn't need more of these-type comments (from current honorable mention all-americans) lighting up google and twitter: "I just wasn’t having fun anymore. I think it was me not liking the offense a lot.” (Benimon Talks About Georgetown Transfer, 11/26/12) www.hoyasaxa.com/sports/archives/archive1112.htm#22I wish all transfers the best, but these kids feel a need to knock the dirt off their shoes as they go. I hope BB is not one of them! Yeah, if he is respectful on his way out, then best of luck to him. His move won't hurt the team, and it will almost certainly afford him more opportunity to play. But if he starts spouting off...
|
|
nychoya3
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 2,674
|
Post by nychoya3 on May 1, 2013 14:31:41 GMT -5
Jerell, Nikita, and Jeremiah all whined to various degrees after leaving, but I am really not worried about recruits taking them too seriously. Every school has transfers, and in general SOMETHING didn't work out if a kid is leaving and sitting out a year. I hope Bolden develops where ever he ends up - there's some raw material there based on what I saw at Kenner. He can run the floor very well and has some decent hops. Everything else needs work.
|
|
mfk24
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 2,759
|
Post by mfk24 on May 1, 2013 15:03:41 GMT -5
Jerell, Nikita, and Jeremiah all whined to various degrees after leaving, but I am really not worried about recruits taking them too seriously. Every school has transfers, and in general SOMETHING didn't work out if a kid is leaving and sitting out a year. I hope Bolden develops where ever he ends up - there's some raw material there based on what I saw at Kenner. He can run the floor very well and has some decent hops. Everything else needs work. Turned our Nikita and Jeremiah weren't really any good anywhere so it obviously wasn't our offense holding then back. Jerelle definitely could have contributed in a Nate Lubick type role but he's obviously a better fit at Towson where he gets to be "the man" on his team.
|
|
dreamhoya
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 2,259
|
Post by dreamhoya on May 1, 2013 15:48:17 GMT -5
Probably more what id said. DS clearly was trying to play for a career his junior year, however he said he was told it was time for him to declare by the staff that year (even though he had a very lackluster and selfish junior year).
|
|
dreamhoya
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 2,259
|
Post by dreamhoya on May 1, 2013 15:51:19 GMT -5
You're right 2003. Just my "opinion" I guess. I did say "IF" Brandon was pushed out.
|
|
This Just In
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Bold Prediction: The Hoyas will win at least 1 BE game in 2023.
Posts: 10,592
|
Post by This Just In on May 1, 2013 19:28:25 GMT -5
Dajuan Summers was playing the 4 Position when he was a 3. And never banged or crashed the boards hard enough to be a good 4. This was a glaring issue on the 2008 and 2009 team. I do not think he was pushed out, but more like he wanted to leave early no matter what. The team did end that year with a 1st Rd loss to Baylor in the NIT.
|
|
prhoya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 23,291
|
Post by prhoya on May 1, 2013 22:59:39 GMT -5
Not going to look it up now (don't know how with this new system) but, after Dajuan announced that he was going pro, JT3 had a minor slip-up (or was it?)that went along the lines that the staff knew that DS was leaving since the pre-season player interviews.
|
|
|
Post by professorhoya on May 2, 2013 0:20:01 GMT -5
Who cares if people assume he's "pushed out," Georgetown just doesn't need more of these-type comments (from current honorable mention all-americans) lighting up google and twitter: "I just wasn’t having fun anymore. I think it was me not liking the offense a lot.” (Benimon Talks About Georgetown Transfer, 11/26/12) www.hoyasaxa.com/sports/archives/archive1112.htm#22 Bennimon is a below the rim turnover machine who only hits 65% of his freethrows in a low level D1 league. Most people who transfer will not have anything positive to say about the program they left. Macklin may be an exception (in terms of saying positive things about the Hoyas) and he's the only one of the transfers who made the league.
|
|
|
Post by professorhoya on May 2, 2013 0:27:12 GMT -5
Jerell, Nikita, and Jeremiah all whined to various degrees after leaving, but I am really not worried about recruits taking them too seriously. Every school has transfers, and in general SOMETHING didn't work out if a kid is leaving and sitting out a year. I hope Bolden develops where ever he ends up - there's some raw material there based on what I saw at Kenner. He can run the floor very well and has some decent hops. Everything else needs work. Yup, Rick Pitino pushes people out when a player doesn't work out and something better comes along. Ryan Harrow (who transferred from NC State) to be the starting point guard this year was pushed out to Georgia State by Calipari to make room for more McD's. All the powerhouse programs do it. I mean you can't have it both ways. Crying for JTIII and the program to get better players but then complaining when a move is made to make the team better by opening up a scholarship.
|
|
dreamhoya
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 2,259
|
Post by dreamhoya on May 2, 2013 2:50:58 GMT -5
Gotcha prof hoya. Guess I'd be a diff kind of coach.
|
|
This Just In
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Bold Prediction: The Hoyas will win at least 1 BE game in 2023.
Posts: 10,592
|
Post by This Just In on May 2, 2013 7:42:16 GMT -5
I do not know if Brandon Bolden transferring, makes us a better team. Who knows what type of player Brandon Bolden would become by his Junior or Senior year. Look at Benimon's production this past season, is there doubt that he would have made the Hoyas a better team if he would have stayed instead of transferring to Towson?
|
|
Massholya
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 1,942
|
Post by Massholya on May 2, 2013 8:41:11 GMT -5
I do not know if Brandon Bolden transferring, makes us a better team. Who knows what type of player Brandon Bolden would become by his Junior or Senior year. Look at Benimon's production this past season, is there doubt that he would have made the Hoyas a better team if he would have stayed instead of transferring to Towson? Yes, I have considerable doubt that Benimon would have helped this team. I have even more doubt that Bolden ever would have helped this team. Taking the best players from Towson, American, Mt. St. Mary's and Bucknell does NOT equal a team that will compete in the Big East. Sure Jerrelle gave a lot of effort, but he also chucked and travelled his way through 2 years at Georgetown against legitimate DI competition. Could he have been a role player? probably. But he's too small and athletically limited (can't jump) to play the 4 and don't think taking Otto and putting Jerelle in at 3 would have helped us too much. Transfers happen. Everywhere. Would I prefer that players stayed? Probably but kids aren't programmed this way these days. Everyone thinks they have a shot at the next level whether it's here or overseas, so they want to play. Looking over the recent transfers and what they've done afterwords mostly justifies the playing time most of these players were getting on our team. 0.02
|
|
Filo
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 3,908
|
Post by Filo on May 2, 2013 9:16:36 GMT -5
Who cares if people assume he's "pushed out," Georgetown just doesn't need more of these-type comments (from current honorable mention all-americans) lighting up google and twitter: "I just wasn’t having fun anymore. I think it was me not liking the offense a lot.” (Benimon Talks About Georgetown Transfer, 11/26/12) www.hoyasaxa.com/sports/archives/archive1112.htm#22I wish all transfers the best, but these kids feel a need to knock the dirt off their shoes as they go. I hope BB is not one of them! Recruits (and fans and basically everyone) wil hear what they want to hear. Could not care less about these one or two quotes from players who transferred. They are more than counter-balanced by the quotes from Greg, Roy, Jeff (and I am sure soon to come from Otto) and NBA GMs who talk about how prepared GU players are when they get into the league. Players who come in and transfer out because they have a problem with the offense or the system or whatever are just blowing smoke -- they knew that was what they were getting when they came in, and their transfers / early departures were for other reasons. Could have been personal reasons, but it usually just comes down to PT.
|
|
|
Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 2, 2013 9:38:23 GMT -5
It still surprises me that so many people put emphasis on Benimon's success at Towson, as though that means he would have been a huge help at Georgetown. I have posted more extensively about it in the past, but the competition Benimon faced (and the people guarding him defensively) was not even remotely close to the level he would have faced in the Big East.
Additionally, keep in mind last year would have been Benimon's senior year at Georgetown. In 2011-2012 (the year he sat out), it's hard to imagine he would have gotten significant minutes. He may have taken some minutes from Lubick, but Lubick would have started anyway and Benimon's impact would have probably been minimal. This past year, Benimon might have gotten some time too, but Porter also played a good amount of minutes at the 4, and Benimon couldn't play center.
I have nothing against Benimon and I am glad to see him succeed, but Benimon is not the type of impact player that would have made a huge difference had he been on the roster last season.
With Bolden, there's always the chance he could go somewhere else and flourish, but more often than not, it doesn't happen.
|
|
dreamhoya
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 2,259
|
Post by dreamhoya on May 2, 2013 10:05:22 GMT -5
Like I've said, put Benimon in Nate's place - that would've been interesting. Can't say we would've been worse off. Didn't he have a double-double against GU? Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the intangibles Nate brings.
|
|
rockhoya
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 3,830
|
Post by rockhoya on May 2, 2013 10:41:09 GMT -5
It still surprises me that so many people put emphasis on Benimon's success at Towson, as though that means he would have been a huge help at Georgetown. I have posted more extensively about it in the past, but the competition Benimon faced (and the people guarding him defensively) was not even remotely close to the level he would have faced in the Big East. Additionally, keep in mind last year would have been Benimon's senior year at Georgetown. In 2011-2012 (the year he sat out), it's hard to imagine he would have gotten significant minutes. He may have taken some minutes from Lubick, but Lubick would have started anyway and Benimon's impact would have probably been minimal. This past year, Benimon might have gotten some time too, but Porter also played a good amount of minutes at the 4, and Benimon couldn't play center. I have nothing against Benimon and I am glad to see him succeed, but Benimon is not the type of impact player that would have made a huge difference had he been on the roster last season. With Bolden, there's always the chance he could go somewhere else and flourish, but more often than not, it doesn't happen. How does it surprise you? He looked very good against us....
|
|
biggmanu
Silver Hoya (over 500 posts)
Posts: 671
|
Post by biggmanu on May 2, 2013 10:42:12 GMT -5
So if Copeland shows up next year I'm worried about playing time issues with Bowen, Moses, Domingo, and Cameron. I don't know if I want copeland on the hilltop early or if it would actually be ok if Greg left after being suspended most of last year. I think I would be better with Greg leaving (only if Copeland arrives early) rather than Domingo/Cameron getting minimal minutes. We will probably need Domingo and Cameron more over the next couple of years than we will need Whit.
1. Markel/DSR 2. DSR/Jabril 3. Greg/Copeland/Bowen 4. Nate/Cameron 5. Smith/Mikael/Moses
|
|