AltoSaxa
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Post by AltoSaxa on Apr 7, 2013 17:05:06 GMT -5
When it comes to making a decision to jump to the NBA I have always wondered what role age, personal development and maturity plays (I know, probably none.) Just think about the lifestyle difference. These kids have to travel around the United States spending the majority of their time away from home in hotels with older players who are immersed in a culture of money and materialism. One could conceive of parents telling their kids they want them to stay in college one more year. Then again, is there that much difference between the ages of 19 or 20? All indications point to the Porter family having a strong hand in Otto's professional development and the best decision will be made.
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Filo
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Post by Filo on Apr 7, 2013 17:39:08 GMT -5
I visit this site often, but rarely post. However, this thread is bothering me. I understand there are rules but stating "you people have gone back and forth about this at least four times. Time to stop" is just patronizing. If the board is going to be so official it requires rules, I think it's important that those who enforce the rules do so with class. We do not need to know that a PM was sent because people were unhappy with their posts. I come here because I like reading people's opinions, and have met awesome people in the process. I know we're on a message board and often that means civility and maturity are no longer governing, but perhaps we could do better? Still laughing at this one. SMH
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 7, 2013 19:11:18 GMT -5
When it comes to making a decision to jump to the NBA I have always wondered what role age, personal development and maturity plays (I know, probably none.) Just think about the lifestyle difference. These kids have to travel around the United States spending the majority of their time away from home in hotels with older players who are immersed in a culture of money and materialism. One could conceive of parents telling their kids they want them to stay in college one more year. Then again, is there that much difference between the ages of 19 or 20? All indications point to the Porter family having a strong hand in Otto's professional development and the best decision will be made. At this point though you are foregoing somewhere between ($4 million - $10 million) dollars by staying since in theory you are taking away a year he could have been playing pro. This is on top of risking a career ending injury if he comes back. Let's say his body has 10 years of playing pro basketball at a high all star level. By coming back for his junior year he only can play 9. So you are giving up whatever he would have made that 10th year which would actually be alot based on the NBA's escalating pay scale. Considering he's already given an extra year to the program on top of that it's asking him to make an awful huge sacrifice that very few people would make.
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757hoyafan
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Post by 757hoyafan on Apr 7, 2013 19:15:56 GMT -5
Tim Duncan kept going back. It didn't hurt him.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 7, 2013 19:24:41 GMT -5
Tim Duncan kept going back. It didn't hurt him. There are always exceptions to every rule. But there are a much higher percentage of people who leave early. Maybe 5% of blue chip lottery picks stay all 4 years. 95% make the safer, and more profitbale decision and leave when they are assured lottery status.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Apr 7, 2013 20:53:40 GMT -5
Time to do some LSD.
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757hoyafan
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Post by 757hoyafan on Apr 7, 2013 21:13:53 GMT -5
^ Ha Ha!
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 7, 2013 21:49:15 GMT -5
Tim Duncan kept going back. It didn't hurt him. There are always exceptions to every rule. But there are a much higher percentage of people who leave early. Maybe 5% of blue chip lottery picks stay all 4 years. 95% make the safer, and more profitbale decision and leave when they are assured lottery status. Maybe 5% of high school kids forego AAU ball to focus on developing fundamental skills
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 7, 2013 21:53:34 GMT -5
There are always exceptions to every rule. But there are a much higher percentage of people who leave early. Maybe 5% of blue chip lottery picks stay all 4 years. 95% make the safer, and more profitbale decision and leave when they are assured lottery status. Maybe 5% of high school kids forego AAU ball to focus on developing fundamental skills Right cause the kid and the family are going to get millions of dollars by playing AAU ball. Good comparison.
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Post by sleepy on Apr 7, 2013 22:08:16 GMT -5
Maybe 5% of high school kids forego AAU ball to focus on developing fundamental skills Right cause the kid and the family are going to get millions of dollars by playing AAU ball. Good comparison. Well I think you completely missed his point. But if you think about it, had Otto played AAU basketball he most likely would have been scouted more heavily and ranked higher which probably would have raised his NBA draft stock considerably going into college to the point where he could have entered the draft last year. There are also agents and money exchanging hands all over the place at some AAU tournaments. So yea, not playing AAU possibly did cost him a few million dollars by your logic.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Apr 7, 2013 22:30:09 GMT -5
He was just being optimistic. I think you completely missed that.
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 8, 2013 7:49:55 GMT -5
You guys may care most about money but do the Porters?
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Post by skyhoya on Apr 8, 2013 8:04:02 GMT -5
I mentioned before that I sat next to a couple (Indiana fans) from Otto’s hometown at the B1G tournament; they said they knew his parents casually and were next store neighbors to his uncle. They said that both his parents were educators and had finished their college careers and graduated. Otto SR was a fantastic player. They thought that he would stay based upon their local knowledge of the family
Don't give up on him staying on the Hilltop, just yet.
HOYA SAXA
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Post by DownTownJoeyBrown on Apr 8, 2013 8:59:51 GMT -5
What are the key dates again for a decision?
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 8, 2013 9:26:26 GMT -5
What are the key dates again for a decision? The Coach K rule requires players to withdraw their name by April 16. The NBA requires players to declare for the draft by April 28.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 8, 2013 9:47:47 GMT -5
Maybe 5% of high school kids forego AAU ball to focus on developing fundamental skills Right cause the kid and the family are going to get millions of dollars by playing AAU ball. Good comparison. Yeah, you entirely missed my point prof. My point was that Otto and his family don't necessarily follow the same lines of thought, or of priorities, as most in their position. Look, I don't disagree that Otto is 99% gone - but just because WE think he has to go doesn't mean that HE thinks so.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 8, 2013 17:17:43 GMT -5
What are the key dates again for a decision? The Coach K rule requires players to withdraw their name by April 16. The NBA requires players to declare for the draft by April 28. Given that April 16 is only 8 days away, my guess is that it's unlikely that Porter would declare for the draft and then pull out, since there wouldn't be enough time to benefit from the declaration (NBA workouts, etc.). With the dates being so accelerated, it doesn't leave much room for the players to make a decision. That said, having the declaration date earlier probably helps coaches somewhat because it lets them know exactly who will be on their roster a lot earlier than in years past.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Apr 8, 2013 18:33:44 GMT -5
A couple of years ago, I caught an interview given by Roy on JT Jr.'s radio show. He was asked whether he did the right thing by finishing school. Roy said he had absolutely no regrets and said that he needed the time to mature. Didn't think that he was really ready and needed more time to mature. Without that time, Roy said he didn't think he would have been in a good position to negotiate a second contract.
This is not to say Otto won't jump. I think he will, but it is one more thing to consider. We won't know until he says.
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Post by seaweed on Apr 8, 2013 19:37:57 GMT -5
no doubt he could go and be very successful, but I just keep coming back to the idea that he has played about 70 games against even Div I competition other than his family. No matter his maturity or BBIQ or inherent ability, an 82 game season in the NBA is a serious load for a body that valuable. The suggestion that another Div I season is a good long term value to the young man is not that far fetched.
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 8, 2013 20:02:42 GMT -5
The Coach K rule requires players to withdraw their name by April 16. The NBA requires players to declare for the draft by April 28. Given that April 16 is only 8 days away, my guess is that it's unlikely that Porter would declare for the draft and then pull out, since there wouldn't be enough time to benefit from the declaration (NBA workouts, etc.). With the dates being so accelerated, it doesn't leave much room for the players to make a decision. That said, having the declaration date earlier probably helps coaches somewhat because it lets them know exactly who will be on their roster a lot earlier than in years past. The withdrawal date was moved up solely to help the coaches (Coach K and Roy Williams pushed for it). The NBA isn't conducting work outs or holding draft camps before that date. So instead of kids making informed decisions after working out for NBA teams, they get a committee to give them a report and then they have to decide. It's a joke and another reminder how little the NCAA cares about its student athletes.
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