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Post by tigerhoya3 on Mar 24, 2013 20:46:06 GMT -5
They played Miami on November 13 when Miami was unranked and had a couple key players out of their lineup. Had we found a way to beat them Friday night, nobody would be saying that FGCU should not have been a double digit seed. But we deserved to play one of the eight worst teams in the tournament, not just any double-digit seed. Unfortunately, that's how it works sometimes! The Selection Committee has a formula it uses for seeding and sometimes it makes mistakes (e.g., Oregon and FGCU). It's possible that had we beaten Syracuse in the BET semis or lost to Cincy in the BET quarters, we may have gotten either a more favorable matchup against a 15 seed or a matchup against a 14 seed. All a team can do is try and make the most of the opportunity that they are presented with.
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Post by sleepy on Mar 24, 2013 20:49:12 GMT -5
But we deserved to play one of the eight worst teams in the tournament, not just any double-digit seed. Unfortunately, that's how it works sometimes! The Selection Committee has a formula it uses for seeding and sometimes it makes mistakes (e.g., Oregon and FGCU). It's possible that had we beaten Syracuse in the BET semis or lost to Cincy in the BET quarters, we may have gotten either a more favorable matchup against a 15 seed or a matchup against a 14 seed. All a team can do is try and make the most of the opportunity that they are presented with. Sometimes? SOMETIMES? If it only happened SOMETIMES the last 6 years would be much different.
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Post by tashoya on Mar 24, 2013 20:49:29 GMT -5
I don't feel any better. Not even a little. That said, they looked as much of a 15 as Gonzaga looked a 1.
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Post by wisconsinhoya on Mar 24, 2013 20:56:50 GMT -5
As some of the above comments have stated, the NCAA selection committee tries to do the best they can with the S curve in ranking 1-68. After 4 days of games it is clear that FGCU is far better than one of the last 8 teams in the tournament field. Also Oregon is far better than a 12 seed. That being said, we haven't had a lot of luck with facing Davidson, VCU, and now FGCU since 2008.
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 24, 2013 21:00:54 GMT -5
But we deserved to play one of the eight worst teams in the tournament, not just any double-digit seed. Unfortunately, that's how it works sometimes! The Selection Committee has a formula it uses for seeding and sometimes it makes mistakes (e.g., Oregon and FGCU). It's possible that had we beaten Syracuse in the BET semis or lost to Cincy in the BET quarters, we may have gotten either a more favorable matchup against a 15 seed or a matchup against a 14 seed. All a team can do is try and make the most of the opportunity that they are presented with. That's right. And sometimes one team gets repeatedly screwed by it.
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Post by tashoya on Mar 24, 2013 21:02:48 GMT -5
Clutter.
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Post by Filo on Mar 24, 2013 21:04:47 GMT -5
I don't really care if FGCU is over- or under-seeded. Sure, we have had some terrible luck with match-ups, but it does not change the fact that we should have beat this team, Ohio, and Davidson (not so sure about VCU). Were they tougher match-ups than they should have been? Sure, but we did not take care of business.
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Mar 24, 2013 21:07:55 GMT -5
I thought they got rid of the s-curve, or weren't as wedded to it.
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Post by aggypryd on Mar 24, 2013 21:08:36 GMT -5
Sorry, guys...
I said it about a month ago. Our Hoya squad overachieved.
My exact quote was, "I don't know how they keep winning, Harold. They remind me of the '87 Hoyas. They just find a way to win games against teams that are more talented than they are."
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Post by tigerhoya3 on Mar 24, 2013 21:12:44 GMT -5
I thought they got rid of the s-curve, or weren't as wedded to it. yeah, they're not wedded to it. they can deviate from it in order to adhere to other bracket principles such as making sure that teams from the same conference aren't paired together in same half of bracket or to avoid rematches (even though there was a rematch this year with UNLV-Cal)
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Post by sleepy on Mar 24, 2013 21:16:02 GMT -5
I don't really care if FGCU is over- or under-seeded. Sure, we have had some terrible luck with match-ups, but it does not change the fact that we should have beat this team, Ohio, and Davidson (not so sure about VCU). Were they tougher match-ups than they should have been? Sure, but we did not take care of business. No one is disagreeing. What we are saying is that, besides Ohio, we are being matched up with sweet sixteen/final four/elite eight quality teams every year in the first round/first game when our play that season earned us the right to avoid them until later. Our 2008 team should never have been playing Davidson in North Carolina in the second round. VCU was clearly an underseeded 11 and FGCU is the best 15 seed in the history of the tournament is playing to the level of at least a 9 seed.
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Post by tigerhoya3 on Mar 24, 2013 21:17:56 GMT -5
I don't really care if FGCU is over- or under-seeded. Sure, we have had some terrible luck with match-ups, but it does not change the fact that we should have beat this team, Ohio, and Davidson (not so sure about VCU). Were they tougher match-ups than they should have been? Sure, but we did not take care of business. Agree. One might say that Georgetown shouldn't have been a 2 seed based on how we played Friday night. I disagree because I think that the regular season and your overall body of work should matter when it comes to how you're seeded. I agree with Big Dog in that we shouldn't let JTIII and the Hoyas' regular season accomplishments be completely overshadowed by the NCAA disappointments. That said, the program needs to do some soul searching to figure out how to better translate regular season success into post-season success.
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 24, 2013 21:24:31 GMT -5
I think FGCU's success tonight is the best demonstration of why people should not kill III for a single game performance in the 3rd week in March. He should be judged on the whole body of work because in a single game you can get some crazy things happening - oh, like playing the best 15 seed in the history of the NCAA tournament.
I am more amazed at the awful luck III gets in the selection process. You could go back to the 2008, 2011 and 2013 tournaments and I think almost every top seeded coach would list the exact team we had to play as the one they least wanted to play in the opening round.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 24, 2013 21:29:07 GMT -5
I think FGCU's success tonight is the best demonstration of why people should not kill III for a single game performance in the 3rd week in March. He should be judged on the whole body of work because in a single game you can get some crazy things happening - oh, like playing the best 15 seed in the history of the NCAA tournament. I am more amazed at the awful luck III gets in the selection process. You could go back to the 2008, 2011 and 2013 tournaments and I think almost every top seeded coach would list the exact team we had to play as the one they least wanted to play in the opening round. Agreed
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Post by tashoya on Mar 24, 2013 21:29:41 GMT -5
Sorry, guys... I said it about a month ago. Our Hoya squad overachieved. My exact quote was, "I don't know how they keep winning, Harold. They remind me of the '87 Hoyas. They just find a way to win games against teams that are more talented than they are." Congratulations. BTW, what teams did they beat that were more talented outside of Louisville?
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 24, 2013 21:30:59 GMT -5
I don't really care if FGCU is over- or under-seeded. Sure, we have had some terrible luck with match-ups, but it does not change the fact that we should have beat this team, Ohio, and Davidson (not so sure about VCU). Were they tougher match-ups than they should have been? Sure, but we did not take care of business. No one is disagreeing. What we are saying is that, besides Ohio, we are being matched up with sweet sixteen/final four/elite eight quality teams every year in the first round/first game when our play that season earned us the right to avoid them until later. Our 2008 team should never have been playing Davidson in North Carolina in the second round. VCU was clearly an underseeded 11 and FGCU is the best 15 seed in the history of the tournament is playing to the level of at least a 9 seed. Even if one wants to take the position that we still should have beaten those teams, the atmospherics would be very different if they'd been properly seeded and therefore by definition pulled the upset in the Sweet Sixteen rather than early when such upsets are shocking.
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Post by chep3 on Mar 24, 2013 21:32:28 GMT -5
Yeah, and maybe Albany beats Creighton if they beat Duke, or Southern upsets Wichita State. Teams that beat us can go on runs because they get past the first game. FGCU might have been underseeded and they might actually be good, but we still should've won that game, and it should have been us beating SDSU today.
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Post by guru on Mar 24, 2013 21:38:13 GMT -5
No one is disagreeing. What we are saying is that, besides Ohio, we are being matched up with sweet sixteen/final four/elite eight quality teams every year in the first round/first game when our play that season earned us the right to avoid them until later. Our 2008 team should never have been playing Davidson in North Carolina in the second round. VCU was clearly an underseeded 11 and FGCU is the best 15 seed in the history of the tournament is playing to the level of at least a 9 seed. Even if one wants to take the position that we still should have beaten those teams, the atmospherics would be very different if they'd been properly seeded and therefore by definition pulled the upset in the Sweet Sixteen rather than early when such upsets are shocking. It's very easy to say things like this in retrospect, but FGC, a 10 loss team out of one of the bottom five conferences, did not deserve anything higher than a 14 or 13 seed coming into this tournament. Now if you reseeded now, sure, maybe they bump up a few lines - but that's not how it works. On the other hand, the Hoyas could have been on the 3 line when the bracket was announced, and we may have seen them in the 3-14 game. And if you reseeded the tourney again right now, Gtown wouldn't be a 2. The only egregious seeding situation that happened with us was Davidson in 2008. Playing that team in its home state was not fair. But the Hoyas still should have won. And Florida Gulf Coast? Georgetown should beat Florida Gulf Coast 8 days a week, so let's stop sounding like a bunch of cowards and boo-hooing about the seeding.
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Post by sleepy on Mar 24, 2013 21:41:17 GMT -5
I think FGCU's success tonight is the best demonstration of why people should not kill III for a single game performance in the 3rd week in March. He should be judged on the whole body of work because in a single game you can get some crazy things happening - oh, like playing the best 15 seed in the history of the NCAA tournament. I am more amazed at the awful luck III gets in the selection process. You could go back to the 2008, 2011 and 2013 tournaments and I think almost every top seeded coach would list the exact team we had to play as the one they least wanted to play in the opening round. You have to think eventually it will even out and something will break our way eventually. I mean, even looking at the last few years, Austin getting diagnosed with diabetes and Chris' broken hand, we've been more than a little unlucky. Even guys outside the program with Chris being diagnosed with M.S. and Jeff's heart problems last year, it's just a series of unfortunate circumstances. Although obviously they are all very lucky and blessed to be in good health now, it's just been a string rare serious health issues that could have been career ending. If you stop to think about it, it's just weird.
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 24, 2013 21:43:33 GMT -5
Teams that beat us can go on runs because they get past the first game. This is Matt Millen/Doris Burke-quality analysis, based on nothing.
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