seaweed
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Post by seaweed on Dec 16, 2014 10:55:52 GMT -5
Thanks HSB and SFH'99 - my memory is just as shot as my wife's mammories.
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 16, 2014 11:54:34 GMT -5
BEST HOPS on the team was is and always WILL BE go hoyas goAB more sports center and big east dunk highlites coming SOON> patrick 111 like yup
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CO_Hoya
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Post by CO_Hoya on Dec 16, 2014 13:53:33 GMT -5
Found some clips for that Pitt game sitting on an old server. Crappy quality, but who cares.
One forgets just how alive the Verizon Center can become when the Hoyas are rolling.
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seaweed
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Post by seaweed on Dec 16, 2014 14:00:12 GMT -5
exactly the way I remember it, right down to the blurred vision:)
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Dec 16, 2014 22:23:44 GMT -5
Ah Levance Fields, you fat piece of crap.
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sead43
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Post by sead43 on Dec 17, 2014 15:16:39 GMT -5
JTJr is a fixture at practices and in the postgame press conferences at home. He has never been shy about voicing his opinions. I'm pretty sure his son, who voiced the same opinion about 360 dunks in his press conference, would let him know if he didn't want him doing so. Seems to me that some of the posts regarding JT2's reaction to Bowen's dunk are way overblown. Someone posted that while watching the play Big John apparently responded in a negative fashion. What, the leopard is now supposed to change his spots? Ain't gonna happen. And, frankly, I don't think it should. Specifically, I see no way that Big John was guilty of interfering with the team by reacting to a play. Guess he is supposed to stoically observe the game, huh? Right. This didn't happen in the context of an interview or press conference, though I doubt JT2 would ever shy away from expressing his heartfelt opinion. Kinda like posters are free to try and recruit and coach the Hoyas. Now we even want to dictate how our former coach and father of our present coach reacts at games? Wow. Just to be clear, as some posters have alluded to, JT Jr. did in fact express displeasure to Bowen over his 360 dunk at the post-game press conference; it wasn't just his sideline reaction in the moment. When a reporter asked Bowen what was going through his mind with the dunk, before he can answer, JT Jr from the back of the room (not unlike after the Kansas game when he piped up from the back about the "I can't breathe" shirts) says something like "Yeah, I'd like to know that too..." JTIII on the dunk starting around 4:45, JT Jr on the dunk starting at 5:20 (and, FWIW, JTIII on Bowen's PT in the Kansas game vs. the Radford game at 4:10)
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AvantGuardHoya
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Dec 17, 2014 15:57:11 GMT -5
Seems to me that some of the posts regarding JT2's reaction to Bowen's dunk are way overblown. Someone posted that while watching the play Big John apparently responded in a negative fashion. What, the leopard is now supposed to change his spots? Ain't gonna happen. And, frankly, I don't think it should. Specifically, I see no way that Big John was guilty of interfering with the team by reacting to a play. Guess he is supposed to stoically observe the game, huh? Right. This didn't happen in the context of an interview or press conference, though I doubt JT2 would ever shy away from expressing his heartfelt opinion. Kinda like posters are free to try and recruit and coach the Hoyas. Now we even want to dictate how our former coach and father of our present coach reacts at games? Wow. Just to be clear, as some posters have alluded to, JT Jr. did in fact express displeasure to Bowen over his 360 dunk at the post-game press conference; it wasn't just his sideline reaction in the moment. When a reporter asked Bowen what was going through his mind with the dunk, before he can answer, JT Jr from the back of the room (not unlike after the Kansas game when he piped up from the back about the "I can't breathe" shirts) says something like "Yeah, I'd like to know that too..." JTIII on the dunk starting around 4:45, JT Jr on the dunk starting at 5:20 (and, FWIW, JTIII on Bowen's PT in the Kansas game vs. the Radford game at 4:10) Okay, Big John did, in fact, pose a question in the press conference, echoing a query posited by a reporter. As I said, he's no shrinking violet. Do you consider what he asked inappropriate or interference?
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Dec 17, 2014 16:31:50 GMT -5
It's all a bit absurd imo. Are these kids not allowed to have any fun out there? I don't really understand it. I'm not surprised by Jr.'s reaction obviously, nor do I think he's interfering per se, but I did think it a little inappropriate to call him out like that. He's clearly got access to the team when they're not front and center with the press. Raise the issue behind closed doors if he's that upset about it. Kid has a tremendous game on both sides of the ball, puts up a career high in points, and has to deal with ridicule about a 360 dunk? Shouldn't we be just the slightest bit happy that we have a kid athletic enough to even pull that off? Can we let the kid enjoy the moment a little? In the grand scheme of things it probably doesn't matter at all, but I just kinda feel bad for Bowen in this instance.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Dec 17, 2014 16:49:55 GMT -5
Okay, Big John did, in fact, pose a question in the press conference, echoing a query posited by a reporter. As I said, he's no shrinking violet. Do you consider what he asked inappropriate or interference? I consider it inappropiate and an interference. Adding to what jsp just wrote, what if Bowen or any other player now feels the need to hold back on his play just slightly - and ends up screwing up a basket - because someone like JTJr will get on him. Who knows how it will affect him? Did something similar happen/affect to Jerry Nichols? After all, these are just kids. Just let them be. AB has been a model teammate and player. He could have bolted for playing time after his second season here like others, but stayed at GU. Give him a break; he's playing the best ball of his GU career. I want him as fluid, natural and relaxed as possible for the rest of the season, not thinking of having to deal with a disappointed JTJr. BTW, can anyone else in the crowd other than JTJr make uncalled for comments during post-game press conferences? Everyone is so afraid of him that no one is going to stop him... well, other than JT3.
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NCHoya
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Post by NCHoya on Dec 17, 2014 17:04:14 GMT -5
I hope Aaron Bowen starts a tradition of getting at least one 360 dunk every single game. I do not understand any criticism and I find it ridiculous that Bowen is getting anything other than rave reviews for his career best performance, which includes a great dunk that I enjoyed watching. This is entertainment and a game after all, perhaps we should have a little fun?
I agree with prhoya, JT2 is turning into an even grumpier old man and needs to be reigned in a little, especially in public. Hopefully III just goes along with it in public.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Dec 17, 2014 17:13:04 GMT -5
I hope Aaron Bowen starts a tradition of getting at least one 360 dunk every single game. I do not understand any criticism and I find it ridiculous that Bowen is getting anything other than rave reviews for his career best performance, which includes a great dunk that I enjoyed watching. This is entertainment and a game after all, perhaps we should have a little fun? I agree with prhoya, JT2 is turning into an even grumpier old man and needs to be reigned in a little, especially in public. Hopefully III just goes along with it in public. I have to say that I don't know him to be able to say that he's getting grumpier, but I see that he's getting in the way of the press conferences. I don't remember which of last season's post-game press conferences it was exactly where JTJr loudly commented something from the back of the room which interrupted JT3 and the reporter, but from the video you could see JT3 clearly looked uncomfortable.
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Post by calhoya on Dec 17, 2014 17:17:11 GMT -5
My experience with Big John is that he is a tough, opinionated guy who never backs down from his opinion on anything, but also someone with kindness and compassion that he shows outside the spotlight. I once introduced him as a social reformer and a coach and got an earful as to who the true reformers are and why he should never be confused with them. Tail between my legs would be an understatement. Later, he could not have been nicer to my children and a group of high school basketball players who grew up idolizing him.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Dec 17, 2014 17:40:41 GMT -5
As a fifth year senior, Aaron won't let it affect his play. He's had "frowned upon" dunks before and he threw down the nice 360 in spite of that. I get that it was in a blowout but we could use a few more blowouts from our heart attack Hoyas. While that seems like the exact wrong time for a "showboat" dunk, I bet Aaron isn't going for that dunk in a 4 point game. Maybe I'm wrong about that last part but I doubt it. Just make sure it goes down. As for JT2? He's earned the right to have his say and I'm sure his son is capable of voicing his displeasure with his dad's input if, in fact, he has any. It's not like this is new to him. And his dad has never not cast a long shadow. If JT2 and JT3 didn't like the dunk, that's fine. I'd be surprised, however, if AB caught any real flak for it. Jabril sure seemed to like it and said that he sees it all the time in practice. If it were really an issue, he wouldn't be seeing that in practice.
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MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 17, 2014 17:47:17 GMT -5
This is the same nonsense JT II pulled when Jerry Nichols did a 360 dunk during a game against some creampuff team. He was upset about that dunk and from all reports let Nichols know just how upset he was. In my opinion it was an overreaction then and is an overreaction now. But here is something that is not my opinion but fact....if some person had spoken up in the locker room that day following the game in which Nichols did that dunk and and vocally indicated his disapproval of what Nichols did, Big John would have been even more irate. He would've felt it was HIS JOB alone to chastise his players for anything they did on the court which he disproved of. He would not have liked anyone else interfering and interjecting their own two cents. But there he goes....not thinking twice to butt in when it his son's turn as head of the program.
Seriously it is time for grandpa to stop sitting in on these press conferences in which he feels free to add his thoughts on how things should be done. It is bad enough that often during these outbursts of his he ends up cursing up a storm (how is that any better a representation of the program than a 360 dunk?). Even in that final home game against Syracuse two seasons ago he got himself into a bit of hot water by making some comments that he even felt he had to back away a bit from. Meanwhile he makes his son look silly at times, like a boy who is unwilling or unable to tell his grumpy dad to cut it out and act nice in public.
Big John needs to, with all due respect, shut up. If he still desires to run a program like some third world dictator then he should not have relinquished his job as head coach. If he still wants to enlighten the world with his opinions he should have kept his radio gig.
I hope Bowen throws down a hundred more of those 360 dunks. Hell, hope LJ joins him in that too.
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Post by blueandgray on Dec 17, 2014 17:48:53 GMT -5
As a fifth year senior, Aaron won't let it affect his play. He's had "frowned upon" dunks before and he threw down the nice 360 in spite of that. I get that it was in a blowout but we could use a few more blowouts from our heart attack Hoyas. While that seems like the exact wrong time for a "showboat" dunk, I bet Aaron isn't going for that dunk in a 4 point game. Maybe I'm wrong about that last part but I doubt it. Just make sure it goes down. As for JT2? He's earned the right to have his say and I'm sure his son is capable of voicing his displeasure with his dad's input if, in fact, he has any. It's not like this is new to him. And his dad has never not cast a long shadow. If JT2 and JT3 didn't like the dunk, that's fine. I'd be surprised, however, if AB caught any real flak for it. Jabril sure seemed to like it and said that he sees it all the time in practice. If it were really an issue, he wouldn't be seeing that in practice. Agreed. Don't think this is a real issue. Aaron is an absolute stud athlete who showed off what he can do. That's it.
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Dec 17, 2014 17:50:41 GMT -5
Personally I’m glad Big John is the kind of coach/person he is/was. His approach created selfless, aggressive teams that made me and countless others fans of Hoya basketball. His principled stands and no nonsense insistence that the players he brought in were squarely focused on their academics in addition to basketball helped dozens of student athletes become productive, well developed MEN. I am convinced his reaction to and question about Bowen’s play is rooted in that perspective. I see absolutely nothing wrong with him continuing to play such a positive role. And I'm willing to bet the overwhelming majority of the players he worked with, as well as those his son has brought to the Hilltop, are supportive of his methods. Like it or not, it is what defines the classiness many say is synonymous with being a Hoya. That quality has to be taught and nourished.
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Dec 17, 2014 19:33:40 GMT -5
I very much enjoyed Aaron's 360 but, in retrospect, I think he deserved to be called out on it. Three cheers for Big John.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 17, 2014 19:49:17 GMT -5
I very much enjoyed Aaron's 360 but, in retrospect, I think he deserved to be called out on it. Three cheers for Big John. Agree. The elder Thompson had no patience for showboating, esp. late in the game, because it took away from the team concept. That should apply at Georgetown no matter who the coach is. And yes, Nichols' dunk was forgiven, but not forgotten by the coach.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Dec 17, 2014 20:09:24 GMT -5
Irregardless of whether Big John liked it or not, his coach JTIII was not pleased that it was done in a game also. As someone mentioned Jabril said that he has seen him do that numerous times at practice so JTIII has no problem with allayed letting off steam in practice by executing a 360. Game time though is different. Game time is executed with team and winning in mind not showboating a particular skill. Bowen is a gifted athlete, blessed with agillity and coordination many of us dreamed about. By executing the 360 he says to the world look what I can do, bet you have not seen many do that. However, even as gifted as he is, executing that play has to have a degree of difficulty even for him. Now many would say well the team was up double digits so what is wrong with him trying it. The problem is that JTIII, like his father before him has 12 other guys on scholarship that he has to coach. If you are constantly drilling into your players that the team and winning comes before individual players, then you cannot condone a player doing a selfish act in the middle of a game no matter what the score is. If he says nothing then it says to the other twelve, you too can express your individual talent when you want to during the game irregardless of team. Yes, it is entertainment for the fans but heartburn for the coach. Another thing is showing up a lesser opponent. As I started out with, Bowen is blessed with great athleticism, of which I am a fan of, but I believe if he listens to his coach then we are less apt to see a shot of great degree of difficulty during a tight conference game and see a one handed or two handed straightforward dunk.. I to, am a fan of JT 2, and I believe the many players who benefited from his little life lessons on the basketball court outnumber those who did not.
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Post by beenaround on Dec 17, 2014 22:16:20 GMT -5
Aaron barely played in the prior game against Kansas. While I do think it is bad sportsmanship to showboat once the game is out of reach and basically over, I generally make a distinction when it comes to reserves. While Bowen is hardly an end of bench guy, I do not find it as bad when someone who gets few opportunities, takes advantage of the time and does a nice dunk or shoots a three tries a fancy pass, etc. They work hard all year..these are their chances to shine.
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