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Post by tashoya on Dec 15, 2014 20:30:58 GMT -5
Lol, think he made that clear in the post game presser too. If AirBowen wants to 360 slam in a blowout, I don't see the harm. As long he doesn't Summers the dunk, I don't think it's a big deal.
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Post by rockhoya on Dec 15, 2014 22:30:06 GMT -5
Lol, think he made that clear in the post game presser too. If AirBowen wants to 360 slam in a blowout, I don't see the harm. As long he doesn't Summers the dunk, I don't think it's a big deal. Especially since he was going off
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Post by SirSaxa on Dec 15, 2014 22:32:36 GMT -5
I love the JTs, but Owens' 360 dunk was terrific. The kid has been languishing on the bench for 4 years, now he finally gets a chance to shine. Go for it! Besides, it doesn't hurt for a few recruits to see Hoyas have a Little fun and showing off a bit on the court. The kid is so freaking athletic!
Not saying he should make a regular thing out of it but... so what. he did it. Had fun. Good for him. And how much of a boost has he been to the team this year? Good to see a Hoya loosen up a bit.
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 16, 2014 6:39:38 GMT -5
That 360 dunk certainly added energy to the game.
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 16, 2014 6:49:04 GMT -5
Thompsons are definitely old school. I enjoyed the 360. I remember when the 3-pt shot was first introduced, JTJr stated that he thought that you ought to get 3 points for getting a layup, since a good pass most likely led to that result.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 16, 2014 7:59:41 GMT -5
I wonder why JTJr still feels the need to interfere in something like how a players dunks. I understand if he's the head coach and he wants his players to behave a certain way, but why now? Sit back, shut up and enjoy the game. Trust your little son to have his own best judgment.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 16, 2014 8:07:10 GMT -5
I sure that many of us recall Jerry Nichols dropping a 360 in a blowout, and Big John's reaction thereto.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 16, 2014 8:11:51 GMT -5
I sure that many of us recall Jerry Nichols dropping a 360 in a blowout, and Big John's reaction thereto. Lol! I do.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 16, 2014 8:19:07 GMT -5
JTJr is a fixture at practices and in the postgame press conferences at home. He has never been shy about voicing his opinions. I'm pretty sure his son, who voiced the same opinion about 360 dunks in his press conference, would let him know if he didn't want him doing so.
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 16, 2014 8:30:45 GMT -5
I certainly understand the 'old school' perspective on this. Remember when dribbling through your legs was also considered 'showboating'? Now it is a standard move for most ball handlers.
I watched that 30 for 30 on the Miami football program this weekend. It is a different sport , but how many 360 dunks would they have done? Lots I imagine...
I think a dunk like that can be over-used....but I also think it can be used selectively to demonstrate confidence and swagger to break an opponent who shouldn't be hanging around with you....like Radford.
That's my .02.
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 16, 2014 8:58:07 GMT -5
Heck, I remember the days in high school when it was considered unsportsmanlike to make noise during the OPPOSING team's free throw attempts. Different culture today in most sports. Some sports more tradition bound than others, see e.g., baseball. Re: JTJr, voicing his opinions,I sit behind the Hoya bench at the baseline, and I see JTJr often calling over one of the team managers, saying something to him, who then scurries over to a player or assistant coach (never JTIII) to communicate whatever was said to him. Some friends of mine think it's inappropriate. Remember, at the beginning of JTIII coaching tenure, JR would not sit on the baseline, but up in the skybox.
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Post by seaweed on Dec 16, 2014 9:08:10 GMT -5
Pops remains Coach Emeritus, so in addition to whatever familial ties bind, he does have a quasi-official role on the team. And he is right about sportsmanship and the necessity to show respect to the other team even if you are crushing them. Not sure that every 360 is a sign of disrespect, but for practical purposes, why give the other team any motivation to get back at you for showing them up? Elaborate spikes, watching your homers in baseball, chest bumping and various other gestures in hoops are all signs to him, and to me, that players don't understand the bigger picture of mutual respect amongst players, a vital part of sportsmanship. They also don't get that you are just feeding the other team material to get jacked about. A few years ago we had a few games where other teams got all highflying/chest bumping against us and we used it as motivation to get back in games and stuff them. No, I can't remember which games, but why not act classy, like you have dunked/scored/homered before and wait for the final horn to celebrate.
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Post by jld on Dec 16, 2014 9:15:59 GMT -5
Aaron is a role player. He matches up well at times and at other times he does not. He affords JT3 the luxury of depth, which the team has lacked most years. All good teams in any sport at any level have this.
A major problem with lack of depth is the inability to use a player who matches up well with a certain player or certain style of team. We lacked this option so many years under JT3. How often in the past did we start a game well but were unable to counter an opponent's change in strategy or substitutions?
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Dec 16, 2014 9:26:55 GMT -5
JTJr is a fixture at practices and in the postgame press conferences at home. He has never been shy about voicing his opinions. I'm pretty sure his son, who voiced the same opinion about 360 dunks in his press conference, would let him know if he didn't want him doing so. Seems to me that some of the posts regarding JT2's reaction to Bowen's dunk are way overblown. Someone posted that while watching the play Big John apparently responded in a negative fashion. What, the leopard is now supposed to change his spots? Ain't gonna happen. And, frankly, I don't think it should. Specifically, I see no way that Big John was guilty of interfering with the team by reacting to a play. Guess he is supposed to stoically observe the game, huh? Right. This didn't happen in the context of an interview or press conference, though I doubt JT2 would ever shy away from expressing his heartfelt opinion. Kinda like posters are free to try and recruit and coach the Hoyas. Now we even want to dictate how our former coach and father of our present coach reacts at games? Wow.
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Post by H2Oya 05 on Dec 16, 2014 10:02:36 GMT -5
Pops remains Coach Emeritus, so in addition to whatever familial ties bind, he does have a quasi-official role on the team. And he is right about sportsmanship and the necessity to show respect to the other team even if you are crushing them. Not sure that every 360 is a sign of disrespect, but for practical purposes, why give the other team any motivation to get back at you for showing them up? Elaborate spikes, watching your homers in baseball, chest bumping and various other gestures in hoops are all signs to him, and to me, that players don't understand the bigger picture of mutual respect amongst players, a vital part of sportsmanship. They also don't get that you are just feeding the other team material to get jacked about. A few years ago we had a few games where other teams got all highflying/chest bumping against us and we used it as motivation to get back in games and stuff them. No, I can't remember which games, but why not act classy, like you have dunked/scored/homered before and wait for the final horn to celebrate. I think you remember the ending of the FGCU game differently than I do. If I remember, the dunks got the crowd more excited giving them more energy to feed off of... and we didn't come back.
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Post by seaweed on Dec 16, 2014 10:15:41 GMT -5
obviously not that game I am referring to - I may be thinking of Duke at Verizon, or some WVU game or something. We are a better team when we can punch back against a team that is getting all jacked over each deuce, but against FGCU we couldn't.
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 16, 2014 10:17:51 GMT -5
JTJr is a fixture at practices and in the postgame press conferences at home. He has never been shy about voicing his opinions. I'm pretty sure his son, who voiced the same opinion about 360 dunks in his press conference, would let him know if he didn't want him doing so. Seems to me that some of the posts regarding JT2's reaction to Bowen's dunk are way overblown. Someone posted that while watching the play Big John apparently responded in a negative fashion. What, the leopard is now supposed to change his spots? Ain't gonna happen. And, frankly, I don't think it should. Specifically, I see no way that Big John was guilty of interfering with the team by reacting to a play. Guess he is supposed to stoically observe the game, huh? Right. This didn't happen in the context of an interview or press conference, though I doubt JT2 would ever shy away from expressing his heartfelt opinion. Kinda like posters are free to try and recruit and coach the Hoyas. Now we even want to dictate how our former coach and father of our present coach reacts at games? Wow. To be clear, I wasn't criticizing JTJ 's BS comment. I found it amusing and true to his philosophy. However, by and large, he does "stoically observe the game", rarely emoting either positively or negatively from his baseline seat, as I mentioned in my initial comment.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 16, 2014 10:20:37 GMT -5
obviously not that game I am referring to - I may be thinking of Duke at Verizon, or some WVU game or something. We are a better team when we can punch back against a team that is getting all jacked over each deuce, but against FGCU we couldn't. I definitely remember a game vs. Pitt at Verizon where they Chest Bumped after forcing us to call a time out. We then made a furious comeback. espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=270550046Here we go: "Hibbert opened the second half with two inside baskets to put Georgetown ahead by seven, but Pitt responded with a 13-0 run that included 3-pointers by Antonio Graves and Young. Ramon's 3-pointer with 11:55 to play gave the Panthers a 44-36 lead, forcing the Hoyas to call timeout while Pitt's players traded chest-bumps at midcourt.But the Hoyas slowly closed the gap, with Green scoring on a nice spin move and a putback of his own missed jumper. Two free throws from DaJuan Summers tied the game with 6:10 to play, and the defense took over from there." Hoyas went on a 9-3 run after that to tie the game.
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Post by TC on Dec 16, 2014 10:45:53 GMT -5
I sure that many of us recall Jerry Nichols dropping a 360 in a blowout, and Big John's reaction thereto. Never got out of the dog house.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 16, 2014 10:48:14 GMT -5
obviously not that game I am referring to - I may be thinking of Duke at Verizon, or some WVU game or something. We are a better team when we can punch back against a team that is getting all jacked over each deuce, but against FGCU we couldn't. Pitt at home. They went up big just after halftime, chest-bumped all over center court, etc. I'm not sure they scored again. At least that's the one I remember -- but that was 2007.
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