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Post by hoyainspirit on Dec 13, 2014 21:04:02 GMT -5
Georgetown vs Radford Stats20 mins, 8/9 FG's, 16pts., 4 rbs, 1 asst , 1stl, 2blks Highest scoring game of the season, nice bounce back from Kansas where you only garnered 3 mins. Bowen showcased today as to why many consider him the most dynamic finisher at the rim on this team. Given how Brennan Greene was shooting for the Jayhawks, JTIII made a big mistake in not playing Bowen more than the last 3 mins of that game to play defense on Greene. With the talent on this year's team, when given the minutes, players have to perform... Kudos today Aaron Bowen...looking forward to more ESPN/FoxSports Highlights to come in the future. Bowen's career high.
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 13, 2014 23:58:13 GMT -5
So apparently III told the press that he put in Bowen early against Radford because he felt going in Bowen would play well against that team. He also mentioned he didn't put Bowen in against Kansas because he was of the opinion Bowen would not fare well against the Jayhawks. What a bunch of baloney. It would have been great to hear III say something like "I may have made a mistake by not giving Bowen enough run in that game" but the sad truth is that I can't really recall when III blamed himself or his choices/decisions for a defeat. Even after victories when it seems debatable that if III had decided to do such and such the win may have been attained easier, you won't find III ever owning up to the fact that he is merely a human being capable of making errors in his decision making.
He didn't think Bowen would fare well against Kansas? Was that a premonition of some kind or is III one with the Force? Did he not recall that Bowen played pretty well in limited minutes against a superior Kansas team last season, that he looked like he belonged out there against those Jayhawks thanks to his amazing athleticism? How could III feel that his fifth-year senior who provides hustle, a spark off the bench and defense (not to mention an impressive fg% thanks to his ability to finish well at the rim) could be anything other than an asset for him in the game on Wednesday? Does he not have any faith in Bowen at all on such a big stage? Doesn't sound like he does and that isn't a great message to send to Bowen nor the team IMO. Doesn't speak much either for III's ability to develop a stud athlete like Bowen if after five years of him being under his supervision III doesn't feel good about his chances of contributing positively enough off the bench at home against a top ten team.
Also what made III think Jabril would play well against Kansas after, I don't know, the entire first half of the Wednesday game during which Jabril struggled? Apparently not even then did III consider using Bowen more but stuck with Jabril rest of the way. There would have been no crime if Thompson thought to himself that Jabril just doesn't have it today but thankfully I have depth, including a five year battle-tested senior who could go in and take Jabril's place. Buy, nah. Nothing like that must have gone through III's mind. It would be one thing if Jabril remained on the court because he is a better ballhandler than Aaron, but Jabril wasn't helping out much with bringing the ball up the floor against Kansas so he was pretty useless in that category too.
I don't think I was alone among the fans who immediately thought, after Bowen's first buckets against Radford, that the Hoyas could have found use for some of that on Wednesday. No, I'm not suggesting Bowen would have put up all those points against the Jayhwaks like he did today. But surely he could have at least been good for a few baskets in Trawick's place in that game. Perhaps it would have come early in the first half when the Hoyas were struggling to score and Jabril was giving the team nothing but turnovers. One jumpshot, one steal leading to a galvanizing slam on the other end, could have made a difference.
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Post by njhoya78 on Dec 14, 2014 0:33:22 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, why did you wait until after the Radford game to complain about JT3's use of Bowen in the Kansas game? Did you want to make sure that Bowen first had a good game before you posted?
Bowen could have played more against Kansas. Agreed. DSR could have shot better against Kansas. Trawick could have backed the ball out a few times instead of drubbing into traffic and losing the ball three times in the first half. The Hoyas could have played a cleaner game, with fewer turnovers. Greene could have missed a three-pointer or two earlier in the game.
That's a lot of "coulds" that didn't happen. I'm not dwelling on that game anymore. Maybe you should look forward as well, instead of back. It's healthier.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 14, 2014 3:36:21 GMT -5
Jabril doesn't have a monopoly on offensive turnovers, either.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Dec 14, 2014 8:01:36 GMT -5
So apparently III told the press that he put in Bowen early against Radford because he felt going in Bowen would play well against that team. He also mentioned he didn't put Bowen in against Kansas because he was of the opinion Bowen would not fare well against the Jayhawks. What a bunch of baloney. It would have been great to hear III say something like "I may have made a mistake by not giving Bowen enough run in that game" but the sad truth is that I can't really recall when III blamed himself or his choices/decisions for a defeat. Even after victories when it seems debatable that if III had decided to do such and such the win may have been attained easier, you won't find III ever owning up to the fact that he is merely a human being capable of making errors in his decision making. He didn't think Bowen would fare well against Kansas? Was that a premonition of some kind or is III one with the Force? Did he not recall that Bowen played pretty well in limited minutes against a superior Kansas team last season, that he looked like he belonged out there against those Jayhawks thanks to his amazing athleticism? How could III feel that his fifth-year senior who provides hustle, a spark off the bench and defense (not to mention an impressive fg% thanks to his ability to finish well at the rim) could be anything other than an asset for him in the game on Wednesday? Does he not have any faith in Bowen at all on such a big stage? Doesn't sound like he does and that isn't a great message to send to Bowen nor the team IMO. Doesn't speak much either for III's ability to develop a stud athlete like Bowen if after five years of him being under his supervision III doesn't feel good about his chances of contributing positively enough off the bench at home against a top ten team. NJ, MCI waited until now to make the comment because III's comment about his usage of Bowen did not occur until now (i.e., after the Radford the game). It may have been wrong (or maybe not) in retrospect to at least not give him a minute or two early against Kansas (I tend to agree that it was wrong), but it certainly isn't baloney to suggest that a coach should gameplan for his opponent. I don't know what his rationale was, but one of the criticisms of III over the years has been thta he always wants to "run our stuff" regardless of the opponent. Well, here he made a decision tailored to the opponent. Maybe it was the wrong decision, but he sure doesn't need a premonition or other supernatural ability to make an assessment of a player on his team vis-a-vis another team's skillset. Maybe he is full of it when he says that, but I for one don't think so. Whether you or I believe it was wrong doesn't make it baloney. He owes up to mistakes all the time. His quotes after each significant NCAA upset indicate a shared responsibility. Maybe some think he doesn't learn from them, but he certainly has admitted he makes them. As for faith in AB: I don't have faith in AB on the big stage based on what I've seen, and I like the guy and think he should play more (and should have played more against KU)! Tie game with 34.1 seconds in the NCAA championship game, who on this roster is more likely to take a semi-open three or a contested two with 17 seconds left in the game? Now, that's unfair of me, but the point is that his decision-making remains highly suspect, and his execution remains highly inconsistent. Decision-making is awfully hard to coach.
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Post by calhoya on Dec 14, 2014 9:03:42 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, why did you wait until after the Radford game to complain about JT3's use of Bowen in the Kansas game? Did you want to make sure that Bowen first had a good game before you posted? Bowen could have played more against Kansas. Agreed. DSR could have shot better against Kansas. Trawick could have backed the ball out a few times instead of drubbing into traffic and losing the ball three times in the first half. The Hoyas could have played a cleaner game, with fewer turnovers. Greene could have missed a three-pointer or two earlier in the game. That's a lot of "coulds" that didn't happen. I'm not dwelling on that game anymore. Maybe you should look forward as well, instead of back. It's healthier. I was one of many who complained loudly about the fact that Bowen saw virtually no time in the Kansas game, particularly when Jabril and DSR struggled mightily. However, just like MCI, I was going to challenge the statement by JT III when I read it this morning. I am neither an unabashed critc, nor an apologist for JT III. He is a good coach with room to grow. He has shown that growth over the past few seasons during very difficult times with injuries and suspensions. Yet, I thought the statement about Bowen not playing in the Kansas game was both curious and completeley unnecessary, particularly after he had an outstanding game yesterday. It came off as very defensive. Whatever reason he may have for thinking that Bowen would not do well in the Kansas game was his right as a coach. Saying that he thought he would not do well three days later added nothing unless he wants to go into detail to explain it. Bowen, like Hopkins, is a polarizing player. Some here hate his game and others love it. Like the coach, I think he is improving but still flawed. There are alot of options this year and that is a luxury that this coach has not had recently. How he handles the allocation of playing time is important and could well wreck this team if not done carefully. So for the future I hope that he can compliment a kid who plays well and acknowledge when someone does not. He should not feel the need to say anything that diminishes the moment for a kid who just played well in yesterday's game, just to try and defend a decision made in the prior game.
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 14, 2014 11:45:29 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, why did you wait until after the Radford game to complain about JT3's use of Bowen in the Kansas game? Did you want to make sure that Bowen first had a good game before you posted? Oh, good grief. I was ticked off by III's shortening his bench on Wednesday. I've been actually upset with a number of his decisions this season in terms of how he uses (or doesn't use) his personnel. But I'm beyond the point of complaining about that every other game in the game threads. Especially considering it is a long season and I prefer these days to let things play out a bit before sounding off about the good or the bad. That's why at best I'm posting only a handful times during a month rather than a handful times per day like I used to. The decision to not play Bowen against the Jayhawks was a bad one IMO but I didn't feel the need to comment on it, particularly since other people voiced similar sentiments. It wasn't until III gave what I felt was a defensive, ridiculous explanation for Bowen's playing time this week following the Radford game that I thought It was time for me to chime in with my two cents. Is that okay with you? Do I need your permission going forward? It wasn't about Bowen having a good game against Radford that made me speak out. It was knowing what Bowen brings to the table after seeing him all these years. Defense. Deflections. Offensive putbacks. The ability to get out and run on the break and finish when getting to the hoop. The capability of pumping up a crowd and his teammates. Plus experience when it comes to knowing how to stay by your man on defense. Was none of that needed against Kansas?
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Post by njhoya78 on Dec 14, 2014 12:07:14 GMT -5
Gentlemen, please do not assume that I am a JT3 apologist. What's more, no one needs permission from me, nor anyone else, to posit any position at all on this board.
I agree that Bowen should have gotten more time in the Kansas game, and none of us are likely to accept any explanation from JT3 as to why he didn't leave the bench until the final three minutes of the game. He shortened the bench too much. Period. How much of that was a factor of the early fifteen point deficit is a proper issue for debate. I'm just not a big fan of the "what ifs."
It appears to me that JT3 was not prepared to answer that question from the media, because he hadn't considered that anyone would raise it after a different game. Perhaps he should have been more prepared for the issue to have been broached. When I posted, I was unaware that he had answered a question on the topic of Bowen's playing time against Kansas, and that it was his response to that question that elicited MCI's posting; for that misunderstanding I apologize.
Aaron Bowen will be playing more than three minutes in all of the remaining games. We will probably all find another topic about which to criticize JT3 or an individual player.
It's great being a fan.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 14, 2014 12:22:15 GMT -5
So apparently III told the press that he put in Bowen early against Radford because he felt going in Bowen would play well against that team. He also mentioned he didn't put Bowen in against Kansas because he was of the opinion Bowen would not fare well against the Jayhawks. What a bunch of baloney. It would have been great to hear III say something like "I may have made a mistake by not giving Bowen enough run in that game" but the sad truth is that I can't really recall when III blamed himself or his choices/decisions for a defeat. Even after victories when it seems debatable that if III had decided to do such and such the win may have been attained easier, you won't find III ever owning up to the fact that he is merely a human being capable of making errors in his decision making. He didn't think Bowen would fare well against Kansas? Was that a premonition of some kind or is III one with the Force? Did he not recall that Bowen played pretty well in limited minutes against a superior Kansas team last season, that he looked like he belonged out there against those Jayhawks thanks to his amazing athleticism? How could III feel that his fifth-year senior who provides hustle, a spark off the bench and defense (not to mention an impressive fg% thanks to his ability to finish well at the rim) could be anything other than an asset for him in the game on Wednesday? Does he not have any faith in Bowen at all on such a big stage? Doesn't sound like he does and that isn't a great message to send to Bowen nor the team IMO. Doesn't speak much either for III's ability to develop a stud athlete like Bowen if after five years of him being under his supervision III doesn't feel good about his chances of contributing positively enough off the bench at home against a top ten team. Also what made III think Jabril would play well against Kansas after, I don't know, the entire first half of the Wednesday game during which Jabril struggled? Apparently not even then did III consider using Bowen more but stuck with Jabril rest of the way. There would have been no crime if Thompson thought to himself that Jabril just doesn't have it today but thankfully I have depth, including a five year battle-tested senior who could go in and take Jabril's place. Buy, nah. Nothing like that must have gone through III's mind. It would be one thing if Jabril remained on the court because he is a better ballhandler than Aaron, but Jabril wasn't helping out much with bringing the ball up the floor against Kansas so he was pretty useless in that category too. I don't think I was alone among the fans who immediately thought, after Bowen's first buckets against Radford, that the Hoyas could have found use for some of that on Wednesday. No, I'm not suggesting Bowen would have put up all those points against the Jayhwaks like he did today. But surely he could have at least been good for a few baskets in Trawick's place in that game. Perhaps it would have come early in the first half when the Hoyas were struggling to score and Jabril was giving the team nothing but turnovers. One jumpshot, one steal leading to a galvanizing slam on the other end, could have made a difference. Considering Bowen was a huge factor in costing us the Butler game with his poor play and turnover and lack of outside threat (a la Lubick), especially at the end of that game I do think that he entered the dog house and rightly so. When that happens you have to work your way out of it and Aaron made the most of his opportunity vs Radford. He also had a very poor game against Florida with 3 turnovers. It's always easier to Monday morning quarterback, but I would have done the same thing as III as I don't think we could have predicted that Jabril would have such a poor game (even though Jabril is becoming this years punching bag much like Lubick was last year. There always seems to have to be one). And III did make adjustments by taking out Trawick and putting in a bigger lineup with the 6-9 Copeland and 6-8 Paul White in there with Hopkins/Josh Smith with Peak at shooting guard.. That was the unit that made the run and obviously is the preferred lineup to Bowen as Bowen is more inconsistent. Now you are doing TJIHoyas from Dallas, Texas' work for him, lol.
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Post by calhoya on Dec 14, 2014 13:07:47 GMT -5
Gentlemen, please do not assume that I am a JT3 apologist. What's more, no one needs permission from me, nor anyone else, to posit any position at all on this board. I agree that Bowen should have gotten more time in the Kansas game, and none of us are likely to accept any explanation from JT3 as to why he didn't leave the bench until the final three minutes of the game. He shortened the bench too much. Period. How much of that was a factor of the early fifteen point deficit is a proper issue for debate. I'm just not a big fan of the "what ifs." It appears to me that JT3 was not prepared to answer that question from the media, because he hadn't considered that anyone would raise it after a different game. Perhaps he should have been more prepared for the issue to have been broached. When I posted, I was unaware that he had answered a question on the topic of Bowen's playing time against Kansas, and that it was his response to that question that elicited MCI's posting; for that misunderstanding I apologize. Aaron Bowen will be playing more than three minutes in all of the remaining games. We will probably all find another topic about which to criticize JT3 or an individual player. It's great being a fan. Not a big deal at all. I was really reacting to the coach. I tend to be defensive of the kids who are not the stars and have to struggle for playing time. I just hated to see the moment reduced in any way by references back to Kansas. As you note the question may have caught the coach off guard, though I am not certain why he would not expect that type of question following the performance of Bowen yesterday and the disappointment of not playing more than 3 minutes on Wednesday.
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Post by blueandgray on Dec 14, 2014 19:35:58 GMT -5
Isat courtside at the Kansas game nearby a former Hoya player. During the game, he pointed out back to back defensive lapses by Bowen where he had to be bailed out by other players. That may have had something to do with his lack of PT.
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Post by kchoya on Dec 15, 2014 15:28:10 GMT -5
He didn't think Bowen would fare well against Kansas? Was that a premonition of some kind or is III one with the Force? Um, maybe because he's a basketball coach and part of his job is to figure out which players match up better against certain teams and play those players more?
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Dec 15, 2014 15:34:28 GMT -5
I am just happy for Bowen. His last outing against Radford was very impressive! Just wished he could have turned on the motor last year.
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Post by dungeon ball on Dec 15, 2014 15:39:22 GMT -5
Isat courtside at the Kansas game nearby a former Hoya player. During the game, he pointed out back to back defensive lapses by Bowen where he had to be bailed out by other players. That may have had something to do with his lack of PT. Not saying it was him, but was Darrel Owens at the game? I thought I saw him behind the bench. Sorry if this was established in another thread and I missed it
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 15, 2014 16:24:21 GMT -5
GREAT performance by Bowen on Saturday. I hope that he can keep it up. Having a reserve with as much athletic ability and energy as Bowen is a huge asset.
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Post by boubacarlaw on Dec 15, 2014 16:33:50 GMT -5
How Aaron is going to do on any given night can be directly attributed to his jumper going in. Watch any of his breakout games and it starts with a made 3 or midrange jumper. His dunks and fast breaks are the flashier points to remember, but his jumper falling, forcing them to honor his range, is what leads to his baseline dunks and overall confidence boost.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 15, 2014 16:59:07 GMT -5
AB can definitely be a plus slasher, defender and energy guy for us, and a critical piece of the Hoya puzzle. If he can play under control to limit turnovers, he can help this team go a long way.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 15, 2014 17:55:20 GMT -5
I like Bowen, and personally I would have probably pulled Trawick in the first half of the Kansas game and given Bowen many of those minutes.
All that being said, Bowen has always seemed to be a stronger player against teams like Radford where his athleticism gives him a huge boost. The other day my friend said that Bowen is an All Star in garbage time. This over simplifies things, but I think there's some truth to it. It's not that Bowen has never contributed in big games, he's just been inconsistent (which has already has happened this year).
Again, I would have pulled Trawick for Bowen in the Kansas game, but I wouldn't overstate the case for Bowen either.
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 15, 2014 18:19:11 GMT -5
Isat courtside at the Kansas game nearby a former Hoya player. During the game, he pointed out back to back defensive lapses by Bowen where he had to be bailed out by other players. That may have had something to do with his lack of PT. Not saying it was him, but was Darrel Owens at the game? I thought I saw him behind the bench. Sorry if this was established in another thread and I missed it I saw Reggie Williams and Mark Tillmon at the game. I think Owens was there as well. Believe he said hi to JTJr. As an aside, JTJr was not a fan of Bowen's 360 slam. I clearly saw him mouth the words, "that's bulls*#t" right after the slam, and he generally does not emote at most things on the court. He never was a fan of what some might perceive as showboating, especially in a blowout against an overmatched opponent.
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Post by aristides on Dec 15, 2014 20:06:11 GMT -5
Lol, think he made that clear in the post game presser too. If AirBowen wants to 360 slam in a blowout, I don't see the harm.
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