DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 17, 2014 22:59:24 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with JTJr being at the postgame press conferences and it clearly doesn't bother his son, so why all the negative vibes? The press corps likes it too. I pointed out earlier that JTJr is a fixture at practice: it's not like he doesn't interact with the kids on the team regularly - they've likely all heard something like this in the past. As for dislike of showboat plays, it's not like that is some new coaching concept - countless outstanding college coaches have had the same opinion for years.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 17, 2014 23:37:03 GMT -5
Again, AB has had dunks in the past which lit up the board with talk of him being in some sort of trouble or whatever. He still, apparently, does it in practice and in games. If he was explicitly told not to do that, I have a feeling he wouldn't do it. Is it the classiest move? No. The reaction from JT2 and JT3 would likely be of a different quality had he bricked the dunk. And, while I don't know the kid, AB is an energy guy. He's excitable and is in his final year and was playing his best statistical game as a Hoya. He got excited and showed off a bit. If he had been having a poor game, I might feel differently but I'm not sure that I would. He's a fifth year senior that doesn't start and, sometimes, doesn't get much in the way of minutes. Fun at the expense of your opponent is better than fun at the expense of your team. It cost the team nothing. In fact, Jabril liked it. The bench loved it too.
On a related note, I'm not sure "showing up the opponent" means what it used to 20 years ago. Sports look very different in that regard as compared to when I was playing anything competitively. It's an ESPN sports culture. Guys flash 3 signs knocking down routine open jumpers that they should hit. The best player to ever have played this game was a showman by nature and took every opportunity to display that. I don't know if it's seen as disrespectful by the opponent in the way it would have in 1994. I'm sure plenty of people here know much more about that.
Our team should be working on a gesture for knocking down free throws because, apparently, they're difficult to hit. Celebrate good defensive rotations and close-outs on shooters.
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Post by rockhoya on Dec 17, 2014 23:42:11 GMT -5
You have to take into consideration that he was killing it and that was the icing on top. In the scheme of things it really doesn't seem that inappropriate.
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Post by SaxaCD on Dec 17, 2014 23:44:34 GMT -5
Again, AB has had dunks in the past which lit up the board with talk of him being in some sort of trouble or whatever. He still, apparently, does it in practice and in games. If he was explicitly told not to do that, I have a feeling he wouldn't do it. Is it the classiest move? No. The reaction from JT2 and JT3 would likely be of a different quality had he bricked the dunk. And, while I don't know the kid, AB is an energy guy. He's excitable and is in his final year and was playing his best statistical game as a Hoya. He got excited and showed off a bit. If he had been having a poor game, I might feel differently but I'm not sure that I would. He's a fifth year senior that doesn't start and, sometimes, doesn't get much in the way of minutes. Fun at the expense of your opponent is better than fun at the expense of your team. It cost the team nothing. In fact, Jabril liked it. The bench loved it too. On a related note, I'm not sure "showing up the opponent" means what it used to 20 years ago. Sports look very different in that regard as compared to when I was playing anything competitively. It's an ESPN sports culture. Guys flash 3 signs knocking down routine open jumpers that they should hit. The best player to ever have played this game was a showman by nature and took every opportunity to display that. I don't know if it's seen as disrespectful by the opponent in the way it would have in 1994. I'm sure plenty of people here know much more about that. Our team should be working on a gesture for knocking down free throws because, apparently, they're difficult to hit. Celebrate good defensive rotations and close-outs on shooters. The dunk was a big "win-win" -- the crowd (and I'm sure teammates and Bowen himself) enjoyed it and John Thompson, who is still widely admired by recruits and their parents, got to show his (completely expected, and in-character) disapproval. In addition, the coach gets a talking point about team, and about day to day consistency over flashy one-offs. So wait, maybe it was "win-win-win"?
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Post by tashoya on Dec 17, 2014 23:50:18 GMT -5
Again, AB has had dunks in the past which lit up the board with talk of him being in some sort of trouble or whatever. He still, apparently, does it in practice and in games. If he was explicitly told not to do that, I have a feeling he wouldn't do it. Is it the classiest move? No. The reaction from JT2 and JT3 would likely be of a different quality had he bricked the dunk. And, while I don't know the kid, AB is an energy guy. He's excitable and is in his final year and was playing his best statistical game as a Hoya. He got excited and showed off a bit. If he had been having a poor game, I might feel differently but I'm not sure that I would. He's a fifth year senior that doesn't start and, sometimes, doesn't get much in the way of minutes. Fun at the expense of your opponent is better than fun at the expense of your team. It cost the team nothing. In fact, Jabril liked it. The bench loved it too. On a related note, I'm not sure "showing up the opponent" means what it used to 20 years ago. Sports look very different in that regard as compared to when I was playing anything competitively. It's an ESPN sports culture. Guys flash 3 signs knocking down routine open jumpers that they should hit. The best player to ever have played this game was a showman by nature and took every opportunity to display that. I don't know if it's seen as disrespectful by the opponent in the way it would have in 1994. I'm sure plenty of people here know much more about that. Our team should be working on a gesture for knocking down free throws because, apparently, they're difficult to hit. Celebrate good defensive rotations and close-outs on shooters. The dunk was a big "win-win" -- the crowd (and I'm sure teammates and Bowen himself) enjoyed it and John Thompson, who is still widely admired by recruits and their parents, got to show his (completely expected, and in-character) disapproval. In addition, the coach gets a talking point about team, and about day to day consistency over flashy one-offs. So wait, maybe it was "win-win-win"? Hmm. I hadn't thought about that. I like your assessment. And its added benefit of being much more concise than mine.
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Post by dreamhoya on Dec 18, 2014 0:04:22 GMT -5
It's all a bit absurd imo. Are these kids not allowed to have any fun out there? I don't really understand it. I'm not surprised by Jr.'s reaction obviously, nor do I think he's interfering per se, but I did think it a little inappropriate to call him out like that. He's clearly got access to the team when they're not front and center with the press. Raise the issue behind closed doors if he's that upset about it. Kid has a tremendous game on both sides of the ball, puts up a career high in points, and has to deal with ridicule about a 360 dunk? Shouldn't we be just the slightest bit happy that we have a kid athletic enough to even pull that off? Can we let the kid enjoy the moment a little? In the grand scheme of things it probably doesn't matter at all, but I just kinda feel bad for Bowen in this instance. ...I agree. They're just playing the game, having fun. Relax JT Jr....sounding like my dad geez...
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 18, 2014 7:48:14 GMT -5
It's all a bit absurd imo. Are these kids not allowed to have any fun out there? I don't really understand it. I'm not surprised by Jr.'s reaction obviously, nor do I think he's interfering per se, but I did think it a little inappropriate to call him out like that. He's clearly got access to the team when they're not front and center with the press. Raise the issue behind closed doors if he's that upset about it. Kid has a tremendous game on both sides of the ball, puts up a career high in points, and has to deal with ridicule about a 360 dunk? Shouldn't we be just the slightest bit happy that we have a kid athletic enough to even pull that off? Can we let the kid enjoy the moment a little? In the grand scheme of things it probably doesn't matter at all, but I just kinda feel bad for Bowen in this instance. ...I agree. They're just playing the game, having fun. Relax JT Jr....sounding like my dad geez... Not possible... the relaxing part, that is.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 18, 2014 7:50:32 GMT -5
I think the bottom line in regard to AB from the coaches' perspective (Jr and III) is that his best assets are his defensive skills and ability to disrupt on the other end. I suspect what they are REALLY getting at is reminding him that is what is key to his role on this team, not 360 dunks. 360 dunks are great and all - when they go in.
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Dec 18, 2014 8:10:51 GMT -5
So when other teams' coaches tell recruits that you're not even allowed to dunk, that you get called out for dunking in press conferences at GU, is this a problem?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 18, 2014 9:22:51 GMT -5
So when other teams' coaches tell recruits that you're not even allowed to dunk, that you get called out for dunking in press conferences at GU, is this a problem? First, our guys dunk all the time. The issue isn't dunking, it's flashy dunking. I would bet that there are a considerable number of Division 1 coaches who would frown on 360 dunks. I didn't really have a huge problem with it, but I really don't think it will affect recruiting at all. If somebody is so into dunking into a flashy manner, I highly doubt they would seriously consider Georgetown in the first place.
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Post by hoopsmccan on Dec 18, 2014 10:07:52 GMT -5
Holy do we need to play more than one game a week. Though I should be used to it by this point, I can't believe how we are beating a dunk to death.
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 18, 2014 10:21:41 GMT -5
Holy Edited do we need to play more than one game a week. Though I should be used to it by this point, I can't believe how we are beating a dunk to death. hm I'm starting to regret bringing up the dunk . . .
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Post by hoyainspirit on Dec 18, 2014 11:03:15 GMT -5
So when other teams' coaches tell recruits that you're not even allowed to dunk, that you get called out for dunking in press conferences at GU, is this a problem? No
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Post by CO_Hoya on Dec 18, 2014 11:14:56 GMT -5
Relax JT Jr....sounding like my dad geez... Have a cream soda.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Dec 18, 2014 12:25:41 GMT -5
Not. An. Issue. At. All.
Move on dot now.
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Post by dungeon ball on Dec 18, 2014 12:38:32 GMT -5
Not. An. Issue. At. All. Move on dot now. But was he smiling when he did the 360 dunk?
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 18, 2014 12:54:44 GMT -5
They needed seat belts for his teammates on the bench.
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Dec 18, 2014 13:30:02 GMT -5
Holy Edited do we need to play more than one game a week. Though I should be used to it by this point, I can't believe how we are beating a dunk to death. hm I'm starting to regret bringing up the dunk . . . Sounds about right to me!
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Dec 18, 2014 13:45:27 GMT -5
I lived through seasons when it was against the rules to dunk. So there!
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Dec 18, 2014 13:47:10 GMT -5
I lived through seasons when it was against the rules to dunk. So there! Tell 'em, Nevada! The Lew Alcindor rule.... And, THANKS for the help!
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