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Jan 16, 2013 23:23:31 GMT -5
Post by tashoya on Jan 16, 2013 23:23:31 GMT -5
He was good tonight. I thought he was actually better against the Johnnies outside of being very impressed by his composure with Providence's press tonight. He took 3 really bad shots and a fourth that was called bad by announcers but I thought was a good look. He has a nice stroke and, regardless of the clock, if there is one or 2 bigs to rebound and he isn't being guarded, take it. The other three were bad but who cares when you're up big? I'd like for him to shoot out of the bit of a slump he's been in and have his confidence grow. His defensive effort was there again tonight too which was my biggest issue with him prior to the past 2 games. He's not been good about fighting through screens prior to the past 2 games but, in the last 2, he's more avoiding them (takes quick looks over both shoulders in anticipation) and that's a really nice development. He's anticipating more so he doesn't have to work so hard once the offense has him picked. The 2 charges are freshman mistakes that I'm sure he'll hear about and, since those things are going to be teaching points for young players anyway, better to have them happen when the game isn't on the line. Another nice performance.
Talking about improvement, Aaron was much less hand-sy on defense and gave his man just a little more room and it helped him quite a bit in terms of limiting needless fouls and also keeping his man in front of him. Signs of good coaching and good progress by the guys. Nicely done Hoyas.
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Jan 16, 2013 23:30:48 GMT -5
Post by sleepy on Jan 16, 2013 23:30:48 GMT -5
He was good tonight. I thought he was actually better against the Johnnies outside of being very impressed by his composure with Providence's press tonight. He took 3 really bad shots and a fourth that was called bad by announcers but I thought was a good look. He has a nice stroke and, regardless of the clock, if there is one or 2 bigs to rebound and he isn't being guarded, take it. The other three were bad but who cares when you're up big? I'd like for him to shoot out of the bit of a slump he's been in and have his confidence grow. His defensive effort was there again tonight too which was my biggest issue with him prior to the past 2 games. He's not been good about fighting through screens prior to the past 2 games but, in the last 2, he's more avoiding them (takes quick looks over both shoulders in anticipation) and that's a really nice development. He's anticipating more so he doesn't have to work so hard once the offense has him picked. The 2 charges are freshman mistakes that I'm sure he'll hear about and, since those things are going to be teaching points for young players anyway, better to have them happen when the game isn't on the line. Another nice performance. Talking about improvement, Aaron was much less hand-sy on defense and gave his man just a little more room and it helped him quite a bit in terms of limiting needless fouls and also keeping his man in front of him. Signs of good coaching and good progress by the guys. Nicely done Hoyas. Outside the first few games of the season I haven't had issues with DSR's defensive effort. I think the effort has been there for a while, it's just recently there have been a change in the results. He's reading and anticipating things better and has improved his defensive positioning and footwork. I've alway thought a major reason for his total drop-off in offensive production is that he is adjusting to actually playing both sides of the ball now. It's a lot easier to score points when you exert no effort on defense. Now that we are half way through the season, things seem to be starting to come together for him now. I agree that the improvement from Bowen was nice to see. Still a long way to go with him there imo, but there were a some changes which is all you can ask for.
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Jan 16, 2013 23:36:17 GMT -5
Post by tashoya on Jan 16, 2013 23:36:17 GMT -5
You could be right on DSR. I probably won't know until the offseason though when I rewatch the games out of itching for some CBB. I am, however, very slow on the uptake so I can probably take your word for it.
As far as Bowen goes, I thought it was a big adjustment from one game to the next. Hopefully that continues. His shot looks better too. Not because it went in tonight a bit. Maybe it was just better angles from nearly directly behind him. He's still drifting a bit to his right but not nearly as much as I recall seeing from a handful of looks in the past.
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Jan 16, 2013 23:38:08 GMT -5
Post by tashoya on Jan 16, 2013 23:38:08 GMT -5
One other thing I saw with DSR tonight... his feet weren't set to shoot as often or, at the least, he had a shuffle on the catch that I don't recall noticing as much prior to tonight. I don't know if that's him looking to create space or facilitate or adjusting from a spot-up guy but it was just something that stuck in my mind watching. Not saying it's good or bad but, on at least 2 occasions, had his feet been set on the catch, I'd have liked to have seen him take those shots.
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Jan 16, 2013 23:43:40 GMT -5
Post by sleepy on Jan 16, 2013 23:43:40 GMT -5
You could be right on DSR. I probably won't know until the offseason though when I rewatch the games out of itching for some CBB. I am, however, very slow on the uptake so I can probably take your word for it. As far as Bowen goes, I thought it was a big adjustment from one game to the next. Hopefully that continues. His shot looks better too. Not because it went in tonight a bit. Maybe it was just better angles from nearly directly behind him. He's still drifting a bit to his right but not nearly as much as I recall seeing from a handful of looks in the past. The only reason I'm so up on DSR is because on defense I've pretty much only been watching him when he's in. I trust everyone else enough and at first it was quite comical how bad he was. Almost everytime his man had the ball they would blow by him or get open somehow. He was especially bad in the zone at first. My problem with Bowen is the same problem I had with Clark. Defense is played with the feet, and he has a tendency to get a bit flat footed on that end. That is something that is a bit harder to fix than positioning or playing too much with the hands. It's a bad habit that will take a while to fix. He's so athletic though, and today I thought he was net positive overall defensively so I don't hate the kid. I just know he is capable of more.
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Jan 17, 2013 0:16:28 GMT -5
Post by tashoya on Jan 17, 2013 0:16:28 GMT -5
Probably another good point that I don't have the eye to take notice of. He gets almost too low to me which seems to limit his mobility. His agility on O seems much better than on D. Like you said, a lot has to do with footwork but he's not polished offensively either... yet. I'm excited to see what he can do with what he naturally has.
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Jan 17, 2013 8:22:19 GMT -5
Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 17, 2013 8:22:19 GMT -5
I thought he played ok last night, and I'll take it. But I didn't think it was anything special. Like most of our players, he has lot's of room for improvement. Let's hope he continues to do so. I'm really happy he finally hit another three.
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Jan 17, 2013 9:35:20 GMT -5
Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jan 17, 2013 9:35:20 GMT -5
He hustled last night and handled the ball well under pressure. Those were two big positives. Two charges but one was on a dubious call as he was sliding to the side. Better effort from him in these past two.
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Post by DoctorHoya on Jan 17, 2013 10:04:01 GMT -5
He hustled last night and handled the ball well under pressure. Those were two big positives. Two charges but one was on a dubious call as he was sliding to the side. Better effort from him in these past two. Completely agree with this... Given his limited minutes through the first half of the season, I would say he is progressing at an appropriate pace for his frosh year and will transform into a great player by the time he graduates. On a side note, I am loving how III has started using 3 guard sets... It's something he didn't do this year until after we got crushed by Pitt--gives our O more flow and let's DSR learn the point a bit more
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Jan 17, 2013 10:12:34 GMT -5
Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 17, 2013 10:12:34 GMT -5
Just curious. How did you feel about the three guard set of Austin, Chris, and Jason? Remember, III got crushed for it on this board.
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Jan 17, 2013 10:29:13 GMT -5
Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jan 17, 2013 10:29:13 GMT -5
Spirit, I think the three guard set was a net minus because of the defensive issues it caused but for whatever reason, we are getting away with it. The key is he has the option to go semi-big with all wing types or go small and I think in the DC 3 era, he didn't really have another option.
You can pull that against the Johnnies and Provy based on their line-ups but probably not against Lville/Cuse.
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Jan 17, 2013 10:35:31 GMT -5
Post by TBird41 on Jan 17, 2013 10:35:31 GMT -5
Spirit, I think the three guard set was a net minus because of the defensive issues it caused but for whatever reason, we are getting away with it. The key is he has the option to go semi-big with all wing types or go small and I think in the DC 3 era, he didn't really have another option. You can pull that against the Johnnies and Provy based on their line-ups but probably not against Lville/Cuse. The front court of Otto/Nate(jr)/Hopkins is also a lot better defensively than Hollis/Vaughn/Benimon/Nate(fr). I think the 3 guards we are playing now are probably better defensively than Wright/Austin/Clark as well.
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Post by DoctorHoya on Jan 17, 2013 10:38:13 GMT -5
Spirit, I think the three guard set was a net minus because of the defensive issues it caused but for whatever reason, we are getting away with it. The key is he has the option to go semi-big with all wing types or go small and I think in the DC 3 era, he didn't really have another option. You can pull that against the Johnnies and Provy based on their line-ups but probably not against Lville/Cuse. Prior to the past couple of games, III has started the game with only 1 true guard on the court... Hopkins, Nate, Otto, Whitt, Markel... Our offense became stagnant because we would be passing the ball around the outside looking for a possible mismatch or open man, and the only hope at the end of the shot clock was a bad shot or markel driving and trying to make something happen. With the 2-3 guard sets we see now, there is more switching, movement, early shots and dribble drive pass out penetration... A much more fun and effective game to watch. I would rather have an offense with flow than just put our biggest/best players on the court all the time... Think NBA and how many teams (Knicks with amare, jr smith, etc) have great players coming off the bench with less talented players starting so that they can have more flow and a punch in the face of the other team when they reset. I am definitely not trying to say that we have a ton of talent like an nba team, just saying that having a great couple of players come off the bench for the sake of flow is a good idea.
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Jan 17, 2013 10:48:47 GMT -5
Post by NCHoya on Jan 17, 2013 10:48:47 GMT -5
Agree, I like the 3 guard set for this team for several reasons.
1) Our frontcourt is pretty bad offensively and provides very little point creation on the low block
2) Many non-elite teams do not have great size, so a 3 guard set does not hurt you as much as it will when we play better competition (UL will be an interesting test)
3) We need to get better spacing for the offense and our opponent needs to respect a guard on the perimeter much more than a forward
4) These 3 guards do not turn the ball over nearly as much as our former 3 guard sets, which is huge against the press
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Jan 17, 2013 10:53:03 GMT -5
Post by chep3 on Jan 17, 2013 10:53:03 GMT -5
I don't think DSR is ever going to be a point. He's got a solid handle, but when he drives, he's looking for his shot first and foremost. There were several times during yesterday's game where he missed open guys for layups, including at least once (and I think twice) where we had numbers on the fastbreak and he missed it. That's not really a knock on the kid (I thought he played well, he hits the boards hard and is getting better on the defensive end). It's just that he is and, in my opinion, always will be a scorer first.
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Jan 17, 2013 10:57:49 GMT -5
Post by lichoya68 on Jan 17, 2013 10:57:49 GMT -5
he played pretty well and helped us win. He is coming along getting more confidence and when he starts knocking down shots and a little more patients with his passing ;D he will be VERY good imo go hoyas need to play forty minutes OR more of bball like the first half of prov to beat usf there. ;D ;D
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Jan 17, 2013 11:17:38 GMT -5
Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 17, 2013 11:17:38 GMT -5
I've seen DSR run some of our best breaks this year. He also passes out of the pick and roll much more than Markel -- who admittedly just may be making a good decision because he has a more reliable shot right now.
I think he looks for the pass more than Markel and in line with Chris (not saying he has Chris' talent). Both Markel and Chris were scorers first and foremost but manage to play PG just fine.
He'll be fine.
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Jan 17, 2013 11:31:45 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2013 11:31:45 GMT -5
I've seen DSR run some of our best breaks this year. He also passes out of the pick and roll much more than Markel -- who admittedly just may be making a good decision because he has a more reliable shot right now. I think he looks for the pass more than Markel and in line with Chris (not saying he has Chris' talent). Both Markel and Chris were scorers first and foremost but manage to play PG just fine. He'll be fine. Chris is tied for 1st in the Dleague with Kendall Marshall in assists (7.3), he averaged 4 assists a game for 2 seasons and over 5 his Senior year. That’s a really high number considering the offense that we run. I don’t think he is on par with Chris in that area..
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Jan 17, 2013 11:46:31 GMT -5
Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 17, 2013 11:46:31 GMT -5
I've seen DSR run some of our best breaks this year. He also passes out of the pick and roll much more than Markel -- who admittedly just may be making a good decision because he has a more reliable shot right now. I think he looks for the pass more than Markel and in line with Chris (not saying he has Chris' talent). Both Markel and Chris were scorers first and foremost but manage to play PG just fine. He'll be fine. Chris is tied for 1st in the Dleague with Kendall Marshall in assists (7.3), he averaged 4 assists a game for 2 seasons and over 5 his Senior year. That’s a really high number considering the offense that we run. I don’t think he is on par with Chris in that area.. Do I think he is as good as Chris? No. But I think he looks for the pass as much as Chris did. I've always been a huge Chris Wright fan -- but he's still a scoring point. Unlike many people, I view that as a positive (I have no use for a Jamaal Tinsley type). I don't know if he'll ever execute as well, but people are not giving him enough credit for how often he looks for the pass. And they are way overstating how often Chris would dish. Chris' go to move on the break was ALWAYS to take it himself. It wasn't necessarily a bad decision, but he almost never dished it off.
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Jan 17, 2013 11:57:01 GMT -5
Post by nychoya3 on Jan 17, 2013 11:57:01 GMT -5
I don't see DSR as a head down, ball dominating guard at all. Chris would drive to the hole like a bowling ball, getting really low and accelerating very quickly. That makes it tough to be a passer. DSR isn't as fast as Chris, but he's strong with the ball and generally plays in control. And he doesn't really elevate towards the rim when he gets in the paint - he prefers to shot fake or create contact to get seperation. Honestly, that's not working too well against faster, taller players, but that will improve as he works on his game.
I don't know of anywhere to look up the stats, but Chris was an offensive foul machine his second year. DSR got called for an offensive last night, but that was the exception (also looked like a questionable call).
So, anyway, I think DSR will end up playing a lot of point guard for us once Markel is gone and I think he'll be pretty good at it. He's a hell of a lot better than Markel was as a freshman, and Markel is one of the better guards in the BE so far this year.
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