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Jan 17, 2013 12:17:21 GMT -5
Post by mfk24 on Jan 17, 2013 12:17:21 GMT -5
Just curious. How did you feel about the three guard set of Austin, Chris, and Jason? Remember, III got crushed for it on this board. Also, the 3 guard set of Chris, Jason, and Austin was a very small line-up, of 6'1(closer to 6'0), 6'2, 6'3. With Starks, DSR, Trawick, you're looking at 6'1, 6'3, 6'5, so a bigger,longer line up that aside from DSR is substantially better defensively but significantly less offensively skilled. When Bowen is in the game, he's 6'6, so more size off the bench as well.
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SFHoya99
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Jan 17, 2013 12:31:02 GMT -5
Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 17, 2013 12:31:02 GMT -5
Also, if you're talking removing Hopkins from the court to slide Otto over to the 4 and Trawick/Bowen or Whit to the 3 -- we aren't getting any real rebounding whether we play Hopkins or not. So one real upside to going big doesn't exist with our current personnel.
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Jan 17, 2013 13:34:09 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2013 13:34:09 GMT -5
Chris is tied for 1st in the Dleague with Kendall Marshall in assists (7.3), he averaged 4 assists a game for 2 seasons and over 5 his Senior year. That’s a really high number considering the offense that we run. I don’t think he is on par with Chris in that area.. Do I think he is as good as Chris? No. But I think he looks for the pass as much as Chris did. I've always been a huge Chris Wright fan -- but he's still a scoring point. Unlike many people, I view that as a positive (I have no use for a Jamaal Tinsley type). I don't know if he'll ever execute as well, but people are not giving him enough credit for how often he looks for the pass. And they are way overstating how often Chris would dish. Chris' go to move on the break was ALWAYS to take it himself. It wasn't necessarily a bad decision, but he almost never dished it off. We’re just going to have to agree to disagree on that. OT but right now they’re calling him the most pure point in the Dleague. This offense and pace makes it hard to put up huge assist numbers but 5.3 is probably equivalent to 7 a game most places..
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sleepy
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Jan 17, 2013 13:59:19 GMT -5
Post by sleepy on Jan 17, 2013 13:59:19 GMT -5
I think the point SF is trying to make is Chris wasn't a Levance Fields type point who's maid objective was to get other guys shots. When he drove he looked for his own shot, not because he was selfish, but because a lot of times that was one of best scoring options. As he showed during his time here and is showing now, he could have been a pass first point guard. At Georgetown we needed him to be a shoot first point guard, so that's what he was.
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Jan 17, 2013 15:49:27 GMT -5
Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 17, 2013 15:49:27 GMT -5
Do I think he is as good as Chris? No. But I think he looks for the pass as much as Chris did. I've always been a huge Chris Wright fan -- but he's still a scoring point. Unlike many people, I view that as a positive (I have no use for a Jamaal Tinsley type). I don't know if he'll ever execute as well, but people are not giving him enough credit for how often he looks for the pass. And they are way overstating how often Chris would dish. Chris' go to move on the break was ALWAYS to take it himself. It wasn't necessarily a bad decision, but he almost never dished it off. We’re just going to have to agree to disagree on that. OT but right now they’re calling him the most pure point in the Dleague. This offense and pace makes it hard to put up huge assist numbers but 5.3 is probably equivalent to 7 a game most places.. He's a great player. I'm not going to debate pure point because it's a stupid term with no definition. But Chris was never a pass first point at Georgetown. His #1 option on the break was always himself. I do not think of those as bad things. He did become more of a passer as the years went on. And I do think pace and style hurt his assist numbers. But I think DSR has a lot of passing potential in him as well. He's just not as quick as Chris.
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Jan 17, 2013 16:37:01 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2013 16:37:01 GMT -5
We’re just going to have to agree to disagree on that. OT but right now they’re calling him the most pure point in the Dleague. This offense and pace makes it hard to put up huge assist numbers but 5.3 is probably equivalent to 7 a game most places.. He's a great player. I'm not going to debate pure point because it's a stupid term with no definition. But Chris was never a pass first point at Georgetown. His #1 option on the break was always himself. I do not think of those as bad things. He did become more of a passer as the years went on. And I do think pace and style hurt his assist numbers. But I think DSR has a lot of passing potential in him as well. He's just not as quick as Chris. Chris by his Senior year was a very complete player, his Number one option on the break was the best option available. He was a far different player than the “wrecking ball” Chris. Not really useful to compare a senior year Chris to a freshman though.. He has shown some nifty passing ability..
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Jan 17, 2013 16:46:11 GMT -5
Post by Filo on Jan 17, 2013 16:46:11 GMT -5
Not really useful to compare a senior year Chris to a freshman though.. He has shown some nifty passing ability.. So then it is even less useful, and far more absurd, to compare a freshman DSR to a senior Chris.
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Jan 17, 2013 16:46:28 GMT -5
Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 17, 2013 16:46:28 GMT -5
Agree, yaboynyp.
My whole point was to say DSR actually looks for the pass a decent amount. Somewhere that got lost.
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Jan 17, 2013 18:06:52 GMT -5
Post by chep3 on Jan 17, 2013 18:06:52 GMT -5
I don't mean to imply that I think he's ball dominant or a black hole or anything. I think he's a willing passer. I'm just not sure he's a guy who is going to get others shots. To me, I get the impression that he's infinitely more comfortable looking for his shot first, which often leads to a passing opportunity evaporating or a guy getting the ball just a beat too late. But, I'm willing to concede that my memory might be cherry picking things unconsciously, and point taken that he's probably not far behind where Chris and Markel were as a frosh.
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Jan 17, 2013 18:32:00 GMT -5
Post by rosslynhoya on Jan 17, 2013 18:32:00 GMT -5
I've noticed, though, that DSR seems to have a significant preference for passing to Otto over any of the other available outlets, especially when in trouble (all those 1/3 of the court lob passes last night). I think it's completely natural (frosh trusting the MVP) but when he breaks that habit, it'll probably result in a quiet yet substantial increase in his effectiveness.
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Jan 17, 2013 22:05:58 GMT -5
Post by lichoya68 on Jan 17, 2013 22:05:58 GMT -5
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Jan 19, 2013 18:44:34 GMT -5
Post by swhoya on Jan 19, 2013 18:44:34 GMT -5
During the USF game...granted, this is only one game, and it's only the first half, but to all those that were ragging on the guy, now might be a decent time to give a mea culpa as to whether or not he has any talent.
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Jan 19, 2013 18:49:05 GMT -5
Post by swhoya on Jan 19, 2013 18:49:05 GMT -5
DSR has been given enough time to show that he can play. He can shoot (though not so much lately). I haven't seen much else. Really? Does he still have some time, or do these last few games not count?
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Jan 19, 2013 22:47:57 GMT -5
Post by lichoya68 on Jan 19, 2013 22:47:57 GMT -5
He was one bright spot tonite not perfect but getting better and can play.
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Jan 20, 2013 12:54:29 GMT -5
Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 20, 2013 12:54:29 GMT -5
Sixteen points on nine shots. Four assists and only two turnovers, leading the team in assists. Had as many rebounds as Otto. He was +8.1 in net points, leading the team.
So, I realize we're all busy panicking, but DSR looked pretty good out there.
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Jan 20, 2013 13:43:29 GMT -5
Post by TBird41 on Jan 20, 2013 13:43:29 GMT -5
Sixteen points on nine shots. Four assists and only two turnovers, leading the team in assists. Had as many rebounds as Otto. He was +8.1 in net points, leading the team. So, I realize we're all busy panicking, but DSR looked pretty good out there. If DSR can produce like that AND Markel can play well (unlike yesterday) there's some reason for optimism. Especially if Greg can get back on the court. /hoyasincebirth
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Jan 20, 2013 15:07:15 GMT -5
Post by RDF on Jan 20, 2013 15:07:15 GMT -5
DSR did a very nice job on offensive end and kept team competitive as Markel wasn't on--and as many have said that can't happen with this group--especially with Whittington out. Defensively, it's just going to be what it is-but he's done a good job of contributing on the glass, so at least he's digging down and finding ways to contribute that fit his abilities.
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Jan 20, 2013 16:14:03 GMT -5
Post by kghoya on Jan 20, 2013 16:14:03 GMT -5
DSR is going to out rebound Hopkins on the season.
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Jan 20, 2013 16:30:31 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2013 16:30:31 GMT -5
DSR is going to out rebound Hopkins on the season. Sad but true...
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Jan 20, 2013 17:22:24 GMT -5
Post by sleepy on Jan 20, 2013 17:22:24 GMT -5
DSR did a very nice job on offensive end and kept team competitive as Markel wasn't on--and as many have said that can't happen with this group--especially with Whittington out. Defensively, it's just going to be what it is-but he's done a good job of contributing on the glass, so at least he's digging down and finding ways to contribute that fit his abilities. DSR is already a better defender then Clark, Wright, and Freeman. That doesn't speak to DSR's abilities so much as those players deficiencies.
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