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Jan 9, 2013 11:46:29 GMT -5
Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 9, 2013 11:46:29 GMT -5
I know there's a separate thread for him back a few pages, but I don't have the patience to track it down. Let's discuss him here instead of in the Moses thread. I did like the move late in the game when D'Vantes faked an 18-footer, moved by the defender and hit a 10-footer, although it was late in the game when nothing really mattered. As for the rest of his game, I would think JTIII expected (hoped?) that we would have some type of inside game to force defenses to respect it, maybe even double down at times, leaving open shooters on the perimeter - where I think DSR could contribute. He has been having a very hard time with contested shots, and he is rushing his shot as a result. He has shown at least some effort to get to the rim against man defenses, but his size limits him when he does. And while his defensive effort has improved as the season has developed, his abilities on that end are pretty weak at this point, as RDF has accurately pegged all along. Not ready to give up on him certainly, but he has to develop his strength to get off shots, and do everything he can to improve his defensive techniques. He will never be a strong defender, but hopefully can at least become less of a liability. If we can get Moses to develop some strength moves down low, and get inside presence from Josh next season, maybe the perimeter opens up a little. Maybe??
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SFHoya99
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Jan 9, 2013 11:52:03 GMT -5
Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 9, 2013 11:52:03 GMT -5
He needs to learn a pull up J.
He can past his first guy -- he's got a nice game of pump fakes and stutter steps -- but he doesn't have the athleticism or size to finish at the rim against bigger guys (and hasn't developed the patented Georgetown high off the backboard layup that most of guards have figured out).
If he he'd develop a little floater, it'd be a nice, reliable weapon.
I think he actually has pretty nice vision -- ran an awkward but successful pick and roll with Nate late that succeeded largely on a nifty pass.
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Jan 9, 2013 12:02:49 GMT -5
Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 9, 2013 12:02:49 GMT -5
It's also funny there's so much hatred for DSR after last night's game -- he was second in Offensive Rating for the game (behind Moses and the only other player over 100) and and second in net points (which accounts for some defense) and the only other player other than Moses that was over positive.
So, yeah. Maybe pick on someone else, folks?
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Jan 9, 2013 12:28:44 GMT -5
Post by nychoya3 on Jan 9, 2013 12:28:44 GMT -5
At Kenner he was all about the floater in the lane. Not sure what happened to that. I think he's just playing like a freshman and picking up his dribble and hesitating instead of making the instinctive plays.
His defense is not great but he'll get better on both ends.
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Jan 9, 2013 12:43:13 GMT -5
Post by professorhoya on Jan 9, 2013 12:43:13 GMT -5
I actually think he did some good things last night. He seems to be adjusting his play to this level. I noticed alot more pump fakes that drew fouls and got him to the free throw line.
In some ways he reminds me of a bigger Khalid El Amin for some reason. And El Amin was succesful at the college level.
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deacon
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Jan 9, 2013 12:49:50 GMT -5
Post by deacon on Jan 9, 2013 12:49:50 GMT -5
I don't even know why he plays at this point. Can't score/shoot and is a terrible defender.
Major disappointment but with no other guards coming in, he'll continue to play.
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Jan 9, 2013 13:24:31 GMT -5
Post by daytonahoya31 on Jan 9, 2013 13:24:31 GMT -5
I actually think he did some good things last night. He seems to be adjusting his play to this level. I noticed alot more pump fakes that drew fouls and got him to the free throw line. In some ways he reminds me of a bigger Khalid El Amin for some reason. And El Amin was succesful at the college level. DSR is not in the same galaxy as Khalid El Amin....there is zero that he does that reminds me of Khalid, who despite his size was very fast, very explosive and could easily get his shot off at the Big East level....
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TC
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Jan 9, 2013 13:35:06 GMT -5
Post by TC on Jan 9, 2013 13:35:06 GMT -5
The anti-DSR people sound like raving lunatics. He's our best scoring option - there's no other player on this team that can create their own shot.
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Jan 9, 2013 13:38:52 GMT -5
Post by bkhoya on Jan 9, 2013 13:38:52 GMT -5
I don't get the hate either. He's definitely weak on the defensive end, but he's one of a small few players on the team capable of creating a shot and hitting a shot. People need to focus on other things like finding a way to scrap the offense.
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Jan 9, 2013 13:39:09 GMT -5
Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 9, 2013 13:39:09 GMT -5
I can't see how he's the scapegoat after yesterday. (Nor Nate)
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Jan 9, 2013 13:40:16 GMT -5
Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 9, 2013 13:40:16 GMT -5
The kid is a jump shot away from being effective. His shot will return, I hope.
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Jan 9, 2013 13:43:34 GMT -5
Post by NCHoya on Jan 9, 2013 13:43:34 GMT -5
Wow, I think we are attacking the wrong guy here. First of all he is a freshman, so cut him a break on the basketball IQ stuff, he won't learn it until he plays more. How many other players on this team have the ability to put up 19 points in a game? Maybe two or three. Well, DSR actually did it, in his first college game, and then he got "coached up" in our offense and turned timid.
I really do not want to hear about his defense right now, the Hoyas have not scored 50 points in back to back games! Defense is not the problem! I wish we would just stop mentioning defense right now, it is a joke to think you can win games 45-44 in the Big East.
DSR is a much smoother offensive player than all but maybe Markel on this team. His moves look more natural than most of the other players we put on the court and when he shoots it actually looks like it may go in. I totally agree he needs to refine his game to incorporate the pull-up or floater, but at least he is getting past that first defender. He will learn, and at least when he draws a foul, he can make the FTs.
I get it, the Hoyas have disappointed nearly all of the fan base and we are all frustrated, but I really do not get the resentment toward DSR. If he stays with the Hoyas, by his junior year, you will all be saying - thank goodness we have DSR. The kid can play, you can teach defensive effort, you cannot teach DSR's natural game on offense.
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Jan 9, 2013 13:57:17 GMT -5
Post by gtowndynasty on Jan 9, 2013 13:57:17 GMT -5
At Kenner he was all about the floater in the lane. Not sure what happened to that. I think he's just playing like a freshman and picking up his dribble and hesitating instead of making the instinctive plays. His defense is not great but he'll get better on both ends. This is true. He has it in him, but you can tell he is overthinking the game. It happens with freshman in the offense we run. It is nothing like what he is used to playing on instinct. He has yet to figure out when to shoot or drive in the flow. That will take some time. The PO has a steep learning curve and some pick it up faster than others.
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Jan 9, 2013 13:59:04 GMT -5
Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 9, 2013 13:59:04 GMT -5
At Kenner he was all about the floater in the lane. Not sure what happened to that. I think he's just playing like a freshman and picking up his dribble and hesitating instead of making the instinctive plays. His defense is not great but he'll get better on both ends. This is true. He has it in him, but you can tell he is overthinking the game. It happens with freshman in the offense we run. It is nothing like what he is used to playing on instinct. He has yet to figure out when to shoot or drive in the flow. That will take some time. The PO has a steep learning curve and some pick it up faster than others. Eh, he actually looked pretty good last night except for two things: 1) he missed a couple of wide open threes 2) he drove too far on a 7' instead of pulling up These are pretty fixable.
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Jan 9, 2013 14:21:39 GMT -5
Post by RDF on Jan 9, 2013 14:21:39 GMT -5
Even the most loyal of Hoya supporters would point out that this past Kenner League was the worst they've seen. Scoring against a team that actually suits up Arne Duncan is not impressive. It's also not his fault--he can't help that the entire league was terrible.
Have some of you who think he's just going through FR stuff seen him play prior to Georgetown? If so, what's different about his game? The statement that he can get his own shot off is something I've never seen. The guy is horrendous at that--he can force bad shots up but he rarely gets by anyone and if he does, he's swallowed up by bigger/more athletic players.
Defensively is where I'm beyond disgusted with him. If you have games recorded (believe me if you have deleted them I understand) or have ESPN3, go watch the time he's in and just watch him on defense--that is how coaches evaluate/grade film and you'll notice the team has 4 guys trying/playing hard and DSR is going at it like it's an AAU practice session. It's unacceptable and he's still getting minutes. That's what leads to a decline in team morale and decline in play.
I'll also admit to this--I've got some personal info about him from a coach who had the family of DSR try to get his program to recruit him. What they said to the coach and his boss was so delusional that he was immediately told that it won't work out and the small interest they had disappeared. Does that probably add a bit to how critical I evaluate his play? I'll admit that. Thing is--you would too if you knew what was said to the coach and who that program was.
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Jan 9, 2013 15:01:41 GMT -5
Post by b52legend on Jan 9, 2013 15:01:41 GMT -5
RDF, I accept the fact that you have an opinion on DSR. That is fine, and you are entitled to it, but at this point I think everyone understands you don't like DSR and there is no reason to continue to post how terrible he is and how he doesn't deserve minutes in every thread. Just my opinion.
My feelings on the kid are that he can, and HAS to, give us more than he is right now; however, I thought he played with some nice composure last night. The main problem right now is that the offense we are running is unable to put him in a position where he can succeed. His offensive game is built around getting open looks and then being able to (i) shoot or (ii) dribble drive out of such positions. Our offense right now is getting open looks for nobody, so he ends up having to try to create for himself, and as RDF mentioned, at this point he is not able to "get his own shot off". Does that mean he is a bad player? No, it means he has not developed that aspect of his game, but a lot of GREAT players never get to that point. One of my all-time favorite players was Scotty Thurman at Arkansas, who always had difficulty getting off his own shot, but was selected as an All-American. This was largely because he was put in positions to score both (i) in transition and (ii) because he played with Corliss Williamson who was able to get teammates open looks on kick-outs. DSR is no Scotty Thurman, but any criticism of DSR must start with a close look at if the offense is currently giving him a chance to succeed. Currently, I am sorry to say, it is not.
Also, as with most guys on our team, DSR over penetrates. This is, and has been, a consistent problem when our players drive, and I think must be in some way attributable to how the team is coached/practices.
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Jan 9, 2013 15:11:41 GMT -5
Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 9, 2013 15:11:41 GMT -5
Really, there is no reason to scapegoat DSR because the team in general is having major problems. I don't want to divert the thread away, but it would make a much bigger impact if Starks, Porter, and Whittington could step it up and take control of a game. That would make a huge impact.
Last night, DSR did not play any worse on offense than Porter, Whittington, and Starks. Arguably, he was better, so if you are going to criticize DSR, I think you need to criticize the other three (who play more minutes, too).
I realize some people wanted DSR to be an excellent sharp-shooting from day one. I was hoping for that, as well, but clearly there are some growing pains. Really, I think we need to cut him some slack on offense, he is one semester into his collegiate career. He hasn't been the high impact player many people expected, but he's not totally awful either and we certainly have no better options at guard.
On the other hand, we really need Starks, Porter, and Whittington to step up. They are key to turning this around, not DSR.
PS. For all the crap Jason Clark took on this board over four years, I really hope people now appreciate how good he really was and how much he helped our team.
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Jan 9, 2013 16:15:05 GMT -5
Post by Eurostar on Jan 9, 2013 16:15:05 GMT -5
The backcourt of DSR and Bowen got us to within 11 in the middle of the second half. Once Trawick and Starks came back in they scored like 4 straight buckets. I'm not saying DSR and Bowen are better or should start, I'm just saying that they were involved in one our best stretches.
The problem with this team isnt Smith Rivera. Its that our STARS arent living up to their potential. Porter is playing like a role player, not like a preseason 1st team all Big East and future lottery pick. Whittington is playing worse offensively than he did last year. His shots are flat line drives and he doesnt penetrate or take advantage of his size on smaller defenders. In fact, Starks is the only one on the whole team who is playing better than last year.
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Jan 9, 2013 16:42:16 GMT -5
Post by deacon on Jan 9, 2013 16:42:16 GMT -5
The anti-DSR people sound like raving lunatics. He's our best scoring option - there's no other player on this team that can create their own shot. LOL
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Jan 10, 2013 20:55:08 GMT -5
Post by bowhoya on Jan 10, 2013 20:55:08 GMT -5
Trust me, DSR can Play! The kid just needs to be given more playing time and shoots. Domingo and Hayes also need to be given more playing time.
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