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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 11, 2014 10:26:59 GMT -5
Moses is definitely out of sync, and the pushing and over-the-back fouls are baffling. I hope he can get back to just giving us a few boards and an additional presence down low.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 11, 2014 10:51:34 GMT -5
If Trawick and Bowen continue to step it, I think you are going to see more and more instances were we play smaller and use our big guys a little bit less. In that way, it minimizes one of our weaker positions, and probably puts out a better offensive team. Of course, we cannot do that against every opponent but there are instances (like Butler, or last night) where it can work. If this happens, we'll probably see even less of Moses than we've seen in the past. The one thing that guarantees he will stay on the floor somewhat is that Hopkins fouls pretty frequently. As for Moses, he gathers fouls so quickly, he couldn't stay on the floor very long even if JT3 wanted him to do so.
At this point, I think the main contribution we are going to need from Lubick, Hopkins, and Moses is defense and rebounding. Of course, it is helpful to get some points from them as well (like we did last night), and it would be great if that could continue, but their main value lies on the defensive end.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Feb 11, 2014 11:54:14 GMT -5
I believe the two knee surgeries have taken a toll on Moses mobility. I am reminded of Ralph Dalton who had a promising career at Georgetown until the knee injury. He became a decent backup for Patrick but never could get the lift or lateral movement from that knee. I remember seeing him struggle to grasp low bouncing balls on loose balls because he had to bend from waist instead of the knees. That is what I see Moses doing now. Any loose ball below the waist will probably not be controlled by him unless he dives to the floor for it. He can't power up from standstill rebound to dunk on an opposing player because of lack of lift. He does not wear the brace like Dalton because of modern surgery techniques, but two surgeries to same knee evidently has brought about the same limitations. Dalton too, was prone to a lot of fouls during the game because of his lack of lateral movement due to the knee. Moses tries but he can't get to the spot in order to prevent an offensive player from getting position on him so he invariably grabs his man or gets caught trying to push him off the spot the offensive man has gotten. I feel for the young man really, but I too, do not see him returning next year. JT2 is not one prone to hyperbole. So when he said this young man, before the injuries had the potential to be one of the best shot blockers and rebounders at Georgetown, I believe the young man could have accomplished that if not for the injuries to his knee. He is still serviceable this year, as Dalton was for JT2 because of his height and strength. He will be needed against the teams in the BE tournament that have athletic bigs and also in the NCAA if the Hoyas stay mentally focused and strong enough to get there.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 11, 2014 12:26:11 GMT -5
I believe the two knee surgeries have taken a toll on Moses mobility. I am reminded of Ralph Dalton who had a promising career at Georgetown until the knee injury. He became a decent backup for Patrick but never could get the lift or lateral movement from that knee. I remember seeing him struggle to grasp low bouncing balls on loose balls because he had to bend from waist instead of the knees. That is what I see Moses doing now. Any loose ball below the waist will probably not be controlled by him unless he dives to the floor for it. He can't power up from standstill rebound to dunk on an opposing player because of lack of lift. He does not wear the brace like Dalton because of modern surgery techniques, but two surgeries to same knee evidently has brought about the same limitations. Dalton too, was prone to a lot of fouls during the game because of his lack of lateral movement due to the knee. Moses tries but he can't get to the spot in order to prevent an offensive player from getting position on him so he invariably grabs his man or gets caught trying to push him off the spot the offensive man has gotten. I feel for the young man really, but I too, do not see him returning next year. JT2 is not one prone to hyperbole. So when he said this young man, before the injuries had the potential to be one of the best shot blockers and rebounders at Georgetown, I believe the young man could have accomplished that if not for the injuries to his knee. He is still serviceable this year, as Dalton was for JT2 because of his height and strength. He will be needed against the teams in the BE tournament that have athletic bigs and also in the NCAA if the Hoyas stay mentally focused and strong enough to get there. A good comparison - however Ralph learned how to be an effective rebounder after the injuries, Moses seems to be regressing in that category.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 11, 2014 14:48:05 GMT -5
Moses' rebounding rates are more or less in line with Nate's, and Hopkins really only has an edge in offensive rebounding rate.
And we know that's only because of the three to four missed shots Hopkins gets to try and put back a game.
None of these guys is a strong rebounder, but a few games of few minutes does not make a regression.
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Moses hasn't played great, but I think his minutes drop has a lot more to do with really strong play by Nate recently.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 11, 2014 16:07:18 GMT -5
Moses' rebounding rates are more or less in line with Nate's, and Hopkins really only has an edge in offensive rebounding rate. And we know that's only because of the three to four missed shots Hopkins gets to try and put back a game. None of these guys is a strong rebounder, but a few games of few minutes does not make a regression. ---- Moses hasn't played great, but I think his minutes drop has a lot more to do with really strong play by Nate recently. I'm not looking at the numbers, I'm looking at the way Moses is playing, especially on D. He just seems slow and out of position more than he was a few weeks ago, leading to silly fouls and too many rebounds given up to our opponents. Maybe it is a function of the reduced minutes, leading to trouble getting into the flow of the game, but we need more solid play from him down the stretch as the opponents get tougher.
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Post by This Just In on Feb 17, 2014 11:48:31 GMT -5
Moses stats vs St. John
13mins
4pts, 2/3 FG's, 3Rebs, 4 Fouls
The numbers are decent while u were in there...outplayed Hopper last night But still continue to struggle with foul issues...stop going for the pump fake
Keep the fouling down and you may be able to stay on the court longer.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 17, 2014 12:33:16 GMT -5
Also gave up too many offensive boards - although he certainly was not the only one.
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Post by blueandgray on Feb 17, 2014 12:39:23 GMT -5
Moses stats vs St. John13mins 4pts, 2/3 FG's, 3Rebs, 4 Fouls The numbers are decent while u were in there...outplayed Hopper last night But still continue to struggle with foul issues...stop going for the pump fake Keep the fouling down and you may be able to stay on the court longer. He got destroyed by the pump fake and had trouble staying in front of his man.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2014 17:10:13 GMT -5
Seemed like everybody was biting on pump fakes tbh.. it was freakin weird man...
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Post by tashoya on Feb 17, 2014 21:01:08 GMT -5
Moses stats vs St. John13mins 4pts, 2/3 FG's, 3Rebs, 4 Fouls The numbers are decent while u were in there...outplayed Hopper last night But still continue to struggle with foul issues...stop going for the pump fake Keep the fouling down and you may be able to stay on the court longer. It was a horrible game for Moses. Even worse for Hop.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 17, 2014 21:18:27 GMT -5
Our "centers" have us 23 minutes, eight fouls, 2-6, and while they gave us six rebounds, half of those were offensive rebounds, and I think at least two of those were off missed layups.
Add in some atrocious defense, and it's just... awful.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Feb 17, 2014 22:03:55 GMT -5
Moses is going backwards imo. He's just not very good at basketball and I'm not sure he's going to get much better. I think I'm ready to move on, especially if Smith is "absolutely" back next year as Thompson says (though I refuse to believe that until he sets foot on the court next year).
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 17, 2014 22:16:34 GMT -5
Moses is going backwards imo. He's just not very good at basketball and I'm not sure he's going to get much better. I think I'm ready to move on, especially if Smith is "absolutely" back next year as Thompson says (though I refuse to believe that until he sets foot on the court next year). He's more than likely a very good practice player though Snowplow otherwise why would JT3 continue to play him..
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Post by wrestlemania on Feb 17, 2014 22:41:54 GMT -5
I believe the two knee surgeries have taken a toll on Moses mobility. I am reminded of Ralph Dalton who had a promising career at Georgetown until the knee injury. He became a decent backup for Patrick but never could get the lift or lateral movement from that knee. I remember seeing him struggle to grasp low bouncing balls on loose balls because he had to bend from waist instead of the knees. That is what I see Moses doing now. Any loose ball below the waist will probably not be controlled by him unless he dives to the floor for it. He can't power up from standstill rebound to dunk on an opposing player because of lack of lift. He does not wear the brace like Dalton because of modern surgery techniques, but two surgeries to same knee evidently has brought about the same limitations. Dalton too, was prone to a lot of fouls during the game because of his lack of lateral movement due to the knee. Moses tries but he can't get to the spot in order to prevent an offensive player from getting position on him so he invariably grabs his man or gets caught trying to push him off the spot the offensive man has gotten. I feel for the young man really, but I too, do not see him returning next year. JT2 is not one prone to hyperbole. So when he said this young man, before the injuries had the potential to be one of the best shot blockers and rebounders at Georgetown, I believe the young man could have accomplished that if not for the injuries to his knee. He is still serviceable this year, as Dalton was for JT2 because of his height and strength. He will be needed against the teams in the BE tournament that have athletic bigs and also in the NCAA if the Hoyas stay mentally focused and strong enough to get there. A good comparison - however Ralph learned how to be an effective rebounder after the injuries, Moses seems to be regressing in that category. I agree with FF. From what I remember, people who saw Ralph play before his injury thought he had tremendous upside. JT3's remarks notwithstanding, I don't know that anyone really put Moses in that category -- he was very raw when he arrived. Also, Ralph had much more pure basketball sense -- it is why he was able to contribute playing on one good leg.
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Post by This Just In on Feb 21, 2014 11:43:41 GMT -5
Stats vs Seton Hall:
8 mins. 0/1 fg's
0pts., 1 reb 1 blk
It is safe to say that your minutes have been significantly reduced now...
Your one shot and only miss was at point blank range under the rim...
You missed and I felt bad for you...
You are trying but the ball is just not bouncing your way
One good thing is that your foul rate is down...so good job.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2014 12:31:48 GMT -5
You died on a Saturday morning...
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Post by prhoya on Feb 21, 2014 13:21:17 GMT -5
You went for a swish shot from 12 inches. My question is why?
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Post by This Just In on Feb 25, 2014 14:39:31 GMT -5
Xavier Stats:
16 mins., 2/2 FG's, 2Fouls
4 pts, 3 rebs, 1 asst, 1 stl, 1 blk
Moses, after feeling sorry for u the last couple of games...
I finally saw smoke in your eyes and fire in your belly...
You played with energy that I had seen in several games...
JTIII's reduction of your mins. the past couple of games seemed to get you more focused..
Defintely brought your "A Game" and filled in every stat of the box score until the unfortunate ankle injury...
You even managed to avoid fouling at a high rate too which is very commendable...
We will need this type of effort again on Thursday night versus Marquette.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 25, 2014 14:44:45 GMT -5
Eyes full with the smoke Moses with his belly fire Foulless energy
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