EtomicB
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 14,907
Member is Online
|
Post by EtomicB on Feb 6, 2014 13:50:58 GMT -5
Hate to keep this discussion going since it is pretty much played out, but it was really telling to me that JTIII was not comfortable putting Hayes in when he had all three of his big men on the bench (fouled out). If it was garbage minutes, maybe he would have, but the game was definitely not over -- there were three minutes to play, Depaul was pressing, and I don't think anyone truly felt that the game was "put away" yet. Now it may have had something to do with JTIII wanting ball-handlers and guys who can shoot FTs on the floor, but to completely cede the middle to DePaul? That speaks volumes about the coach's confidence in Hayes. And if I remember correctly, DePaul had at least two easy baskets where they blew right by our guards and drove into the lane for baskets. DePaul was also intentionally fouling in the final three minutes. The only way we would blow the lead would be a combination of turnovers, missed foul shots, and dumb shooting fouls that gave DePaul baskets and free throws. Three reasons to play ball handlers, foul shooters, and more experienced players. If you put in Hayes in the final three minutes, and I were a guard for DePaul, I would drive right into him and go for the and-1 opportunities and then I would push/hold/lean obviously on him while Georgetown was inbounding the ball so he shot free throws instead of Starks or DSR. So, in you scenario, JTIII would have this conversation: "I'm putting in Hayes, but don't pass him the ball because we don't want him shooting free throws or turning the ball over, and on defense we don't want him to switch on a ball handler or get anywhere near anyone handling the ball or taking a shot because we don't want him to foul." Or he could put in Cameron and we would have five players playing basketball instead of keep-away. But if Moses doesn't foul out he would have finished out the game right? So the entire scenario you just painted could have easily happened with Moses on the court.. They still would have driven at him cause he's foul prone and not a big blocked shot threat. They could have hacked him before the ball was inbounded too because he's not a good free throw shooter either.. Everything that Hayes is supposedly bad at Moses is as well..
|
|
|
Post by johnnysnowplow on Feb 6, 2014 14:45:24 GMT -5
DePaul was also intentionally fouling in the final three minutes. The only way we would blow the lead would be a combination of turnovers, missed foul shots, and dumb shooting fouls that gave DePaul baskets and free throws. Three reasons to play ball handlers, foul shooters, and more experienced players. If you put in Hayes in the final three minutes, and I were a guard for DePaul, I would drive right into him and go for the and-1 opportunities and then I would push/hold/lean obviously on him while Georgetown was inbounding the ball so he shot free throws instead of Starks or DSR. So, in you scenario, JTIII would have this conversation: "I'm putting in Hayes, but don't pass him the ball because we don't want him shooting free throws or turning the ball over, and on defense we don't want him to switch on a ball handler or get anywhere near anyone handling the ball or taking a shot because we don't want him to foul." Or he could put in Cameron and we would have five players playing basketball instead of keep-away. But if Moses doesn't foul out he would have finished out the game right? So the entire scenario you just painted could have easily happened with Moses on the court.. They still would have driven at him cause he's foul prone and not a big blocked shot threat. They could have hacked him before the ball was inbounded too because he's not a good free throw shooter either.. Everything that Hayes is supposedly bad at Moses is as well.. Yes. Exactly. The point was to put Hayes in instead of Moses, not after Moses had already fouled out.
|
|
bmartin
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 2,459
|
Post by bmartin on Feb 6, 2014 15:20:14 GMT -5
1. Moses probably would have come out, at least on offense, in the last two minutes during the intentional fouling. 2. Hayes is not going to play instead of Moses. Moses is better.
The team had a 31-14 run in the 2nd half with Moses in for most of it. It is a good thing that Moses does not shoot the ball. He has cut down on turnovers. The shots were taken by the players who should be taking the shots. Moses made two unnecessarily aggressive fouls after Hopkins and Lubick had fouled out, but otherwise he contributed to the great defensive performance of the first 15 minutes of the 2nd half.
|
|
tashoya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 12,321
|
Post by tashoya on Feb 6, 2014 15:25:56 GMT -5
1. Moses probably would have come out, at least on offense, in the last two minutes during the intentional fouling. 2. Hayes is not going to play instead of Moses. Moses is better. The team had a 31-14 run in the 2nd half with Moses in for most of it. It is a good thing that Moses does not shoot the ball. He has cut down on turnovers. The shots were taken by the players who should be taking the shots. Moses made two unnecessarily aggressive fouls after Hopkins and Lubick had fouled out, but otherwise he contributed to the great defensive performance of the first 15 minutes of the 2nd half. Yes. JT3 was already matching up offense/defense with other players.
|
|
prhoya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 23,302
|
Post by prhoya on Feb 6, 2014 15:38:10 GMT -5
If Hayes gets 5 minutes in the first half, then some of the other bigs could potentially have fouls to give at the end of the game, instead of fouling out and watching the game. That said, during hack fests at the end of the game, whether it is Hops, Nate, Moses or Hayes, we're exposed because whether available or not, our centers are bad FT shooters. Smart coaches will order the foul against them, whether they have the ball or not. It was clear that Moses was singled out to shoot FTs. I guess for JT3, Cameron will have to do at C during end-game hack fests.
|
|
EtomicB
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 14,907
Member is Online
|
Post by EtomicB on Feb 6, 2014 16:36:04 GMT -5
1. Moses probably would have come out, at least on offense, in the last two minutes during the intentional fouling. 2. Hayes is not going to play instead of Moses. Moses is better. The team had a 31-14 run in the 2nd half with Moses in for most of it. It is a good thing that Moses does not shoot the ball. He has cut down on turnovers. The shots were taken by the players who should be taking the shots. Moses made two unnecessarily aggressive fouls after Hopkins and Lubick had fouled out, but otherwise he contributed to the great defensive performance of the first 15 minutes of the 2nd half. Yes. JT3 was already matching up offense/defense with other players. What other players Tas?
|
|
bmartin
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 2,459
|
Post by bmartin on Feb 6, 2014 17:57:02 GMT -5
Even without Josh Smith, we actually are playing more big man minutes this year than last year.
Last year, Hopkins averaged about 20 minutes, Moses averaged 8, and we played quite a bit of Lubick at center with Porter at power forward.
This year, in the 9 games without Smith, Hopkins averaged 27 minutes and Moses 19. That is up from 18 & 10 (equal to last year's totals) during the Josh Smith period, so each took 9 of Smith's minutes.
Lubick is playing fewer minutes this year than last year, and his minutes have not increased since Smith stopped playing.
|
|
tashoya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 12,321
|
Post by tashoya on Feb 8, 2014 21:12:18 GMT -5
Yes. JT3 was already matching up offense/defense with other players. What other players Tas? Etomic, my mistake. You're right. There wasn't any switching. There have been games this year that Cameron and Bowen have been switched out on O and D as has Moses. DePaul, however, was not one of them. Apologies.
|
|
tashoya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 12,321
|
Post by tashoya on Feb 9, 2014 0:13:32 GMT -5
Hmm... strangely quiet on the Bradley Hayes rotation stuff....
|
|
prhoya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 23,302
|
Post by prhoya on Feb 9, 2014 0:57:29 GMT -5
Hmm... strangely quiet on the Bradley Hayes rotation stuff.... Why call for him today vs Butler when the last time we played them Caprio played center? JT3 knows that this year against Butler he can get away with playing four guards and Caprio/Nate/Hops/Moses/Cameron at the post. This year it's about guard play vs Butler. As for Monday vs Providence, play Hayes five minutes in first half in zone with other starters.
|
|
EtomicB
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 14,907
Member is Online
|
Post by EtomicB on Feb 9, 2014 9:52:31 GMT -5
Hmm... strangely quiet on the Bradley Hayes rotation stuff.... It's quiet because Moses only played 5 minutes.. If JT3 keeps his minutes low, I'll have a lot less ammo to complain about Hayes getting a shot to play..
|
|
|
Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 9, 2014 11:16:51 GMT -5
We'll need our bigs against Prov. Moses needs to contribute. If he doesn't, and if the bigs have foul trouble - who knows? Maybe Bradley saves the day!
|
|
calhoya
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 4,352
|
Post by calhoya on Feb 9, 2014 15:03:36 GMT -5
Moses is our strongest rebounder in the post. He needs to be on the floor against Providence, but also needs to remain under control. I would use him with the small lineup or with Hopkins, but avoid having him out there with Nate--too little offense when they are combined.
|
|
This Just In
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Bold Prediction: The Hoyas will win at least 1 BE game in 2023.
Posts: 10,592
|
Post by This Just In on Feb 9, 2014 23:58:20 GMT -5
Stats vs. Butler:
Played 5 minutes and gave 2pts..1/1 FG... 0rebs, 0 stls, 0 assts.
What was up with Moses playing only 5 minutes against Butler is he injured or minutes reduced due to lack of production??
|
|
hoyasaxa2003
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 9,849
Member is Online
|
Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 10, 2014 10:07:58 GMT -5
Stats vs. Butler:Played 5 minutes and gave 2pts..1/1 FG... 0rebs, 0 stls, 0 assts. What was up with Moses playing only 5 minutes against Butler is he injured or minutes reduced due to lack of production?? I think it was a combination of Moses getting two fouls very quickly and JT3 choosing to play small against Butler. I do think that decision helped the offense work better but I think it also left us more vulnerable on the defensive end.
|
|
This Just In
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Bold Prediction: The Hoyas will win at least 1 BE game in 2023.
Posts: 10,592
|
Post by This Just In on Feb 11, 2014 8:47:26 GMT -5
Stats vs Providence:
8 mins., 2pts, 1/2 FG's, 3 fouls
You made the most of your minutes and scored.
Last night you was intimidator at the rim. Good job,
|
|
|
Post by johnnysnowplow on Feb 11, 2014 9:17:19 GMT -5
Is anyone else completely discouraged by Moses' play recently? He seems to be regressing at an alarming rate imo. The amount of completely bone-headed fouls in recent games is just absurd. He brings nothing to the offense and he seems to be getting worse (at the very least stagnating) defensively. His strength (and reason for PT) used to be his rebounding, but at this point, Hopkins and Nate are both equal or better rebounders and obviously bring way more in other areas of the game as well. So what reason is there to keep trotting him out there? Especially when Hopkins keeps steadily improving on the defensive end. As long as Mikael is not in foul trouble, I don't see any reason that Moses should be playing over him for the rest of the season. And even then I'd rather see Lubick be the only big and go with the guard-heavy lineup.
I used to be in favor of giving Moses that 5th year if he wanted it, but I'm not so sure anymore.
|
|
|
Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Feb 11, 2014 9:33:33 GMT -5
The problem johnnyplow is hopkins and lubick are almost always in foul trouble. Hopkins did foul out last night (on a shaky call).
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2014 9:36:07 GMT -5
Is anyone else completely discouraged by Moses' play recently? He seems to be regressing at an alarming rate imo. The amount of completely bone-headed fouls in recent games is just absurd. He brings nothing to the offense and he seems to be getting worse (at the very least stagnating) defensively. His strength (and reason for PT) used to be his rebounding, but at this point, Hopkins and Nate are both equal or better rebounders and obviously bring way more in other areas of the game as well. So what reason is there to keep trotting him out there? Especially when Hopkins keeps steadily improving on the defensive end. As long as Mikael is not in foul trouble, I don't see any reason that Moses should be playing over him for the rest of the season. And even then I'd rather see Lubick be the only big and go with the guard-heavy lineup. I used to be in favor of giving Moses that 5th year if he wanted it, but I'm not so sure anymore. Moses is getting beat on rebounds because he's increasingly finding himself out of position. I don't know if he is losing focus on defense because he's not as one-dimensional a player as he used to be but you can tell he's not as dialed in on that end of the floor. Frequently he loses position and is behind the opposing big as the ball comes off the rim forcing him to go over the back and foul. He's one of those guys, with his build, where he would be so much better off doing a little extra work earlier in the position to stay inside the player he is guarding and box-out. I will say he looks a little more comfortable on offense these days. He dropped an important post-move last night to get a bucket, and he'll surprise you with some free throw makes every now and then....
|
|
EtomicB
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 14,907
Member is Online
|
Post by EtomicB on Feb 11, 2014 10:10:54 GMT -5
Is anyone else completely discouraged by Moses' play recently? He seems to be regressing at an alarming rate imo. The amount of completely bone-headed fouls in recent games is just absurd. He brings nothing to the offense and he seems to be getting worse (at the very least stagnating) defensively. His strength (and reason for PT) used to be his rebounding, but at this point, Hopkins and Nate are both equal or better rebounders and obviously bring way more in other areas of the game as well. So what reason is there to keep trotting him out there? Especially when Hopkins keeps steadily improving on the defensive end. As long as Mikael is not in foul trouble, I don't see any reason that Moses should be playing over him for the rest of the season. And even then I'd rather see Lubick be the only big and go with the guard-heavy lineup. I used to be in favor of giving Moses that 5th year if he wanted it, but I'm not so sure anymore. Moses isn't very good, it's that simple.. I'm happy that JT3 is playing him less minutes now.. in his last 13 minutes he doesn't have a rebound or blocked shot, it's great that he's scored 2 buckets but that's all he's done.. As I've posted numerous times its really hard for me to believe Hayes can play worse than this but at this point I've given up hope that JT3 will change his rotation.. He likes what he's familiar with... The team is winning and that's all I really care about anyway..
|
|