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Post by NoBoumtjeInTheYaYaRoom on Dec 13, 2012 18:13:25 GMT -5
I think it is also important to note that many people in the know believe Georgetown and Co. could be in a wildly advantageous position in the next 18 months. Most in the industry believe that the Pac 12/ Big 10 / Big 12 and SEC will move to 16 team superconferences with football as the primary. Then what happens to Syracuse, Duke, Pitt, BC, etc.? Schools that have very little hope of being included in this mix. Do they come calling to the best non-BCS conference? While there are many inherent risks with this move, there are also many possible windfalls as well.
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Post by Big Dog on Dec 13, 2012 18:18:01 GMT -5
I think it is also important to note that many people in the know believe Georgetown and Co. could be in a wildly advantageous position in the next 18 months. Most in the industry believe that the Pac 12/ Big 10 / Big 12 and SEC will move to 16 team superconferences with football as the primary. Then what happens to Syracuse, Duke, Pitt, BC, etc.? Schools that have very little hope of being included in this mix. Do they come calling to the best non-BCS conference? While there are many inherent risks with this move, there are also many possible windfalls as well. This point cannot be overstated.
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Post by hoyaback on Dec 13, 2012 18:18:11 GMT -5
The ACC blows up, its a whole new ball game.
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Post by Big Dog on Dec 13, 2012 18:19:14 GMT -5
The ACC blows up, its a whole new ball game. It will blow up. I hope we're calling Notre Dame today just in case.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Dec 13, 2012 18:23:06 GMT -5
As for other sports, we were going to have to deal with issues regardless of what we did because of the schools we were assuredly losing -- Notre Dame and Syracuse in particular. Marquette was an NCAA tourney team in both soccers this year (although it hurts to lose UConn -- a perennial power). We don't lose anyone from women's lacrosse with any heft. And our men's lacrosse situation is largely based on who we play and beat out of conference (particularly with Syracuse out of the mix).
If you are the company you keep in these other sports, I just don't see how the company we were going to keep given the status quo was going to help these other sports.
I'll grant that it hurts baseball -- although now baseball has a better chance of being competitive -- and it hurts women's basketball by potentially losing UConn.
But all that seems a small price to pay if this makes sense otherwise.
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Post by Hoyaholic on Dec 13, 2012 18:26:08 GMT -5
Saint Louis University would be a good addition. Under the late Rick Majerus, he built a team that went from being almost a joke 5 years ago to making it to the 2nd round of the NCAAs last year. It's the second oldest Jesuit college in the nation, and the oldest Catholic university west of the Mississippi. And it was Ricky's dream to play Georgetown-- he said that on many occasions. What better way to honor his memory, and add a competitive school to the New Big East Conference? St. Louis is pretty far down on my personal wish list. It wouldn't a Tulane/SMU level disaster, but it would be like adding another Seton Hall or Providence in my opinion. It could work out and elevate their program, but they have never been relevant for any extended period in my lifetime.
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Post by hibbertfor3 on Dec 13, 2012 18:32:03 GMT -5
Source at ESPN tells me Katz is about to report Gtown is hodling up the Big East break up. Fell free to ban me if this is untrue but my source is very reliable.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 13, 2012 18:32:48 GMT -5
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Post by NoBoumtjeInTheYaYaRoom on Dec 13, 2012 18:36:58 GMT -5
Thamel reported this earlier. Ive heard the same. They have told Aresco earlier that they are united with the other 6, but want to hold off on an announcement until due diligence has been done. There is no rush at the moment, so must review all angles of how/when to leave, who is on board to join them, etc. All in all, they arent holding up the defection, but rather the announcement until the 7 have time to figure out their best course of action.
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Post by hoyaLS05 on Dec 13, 2012 18:37:45 GMT -5
I, for one, am shocked that Georgetown wants to hold off on making something public. Cannot be!
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 13, 2012 18:39:00 GMT -5
So a less conflicted "news" outlet might have actually reported that instead of trying to make it look like Georgetown was hilding up the process. Due diligence is good in this process.
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Post by Cambridge on Dec 13, 2012 18:39:54 GMT -5
Thamel reported this earlier. Ive heard the same. They have told Aresco earlier that they are united with the other 6, but want to hold off on an announcement until due diligence has been done. There is no rush at the moment, so must review all angles of how/when to leave, who is on board to join them, etc. All in all, they arent holding up the defection, but rather the announcement until the 7 have time to figure out their best course of action. So we are the responsible adults among the group...
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Post by rosslynhoya on Dec 13, 2012 18:46:20 GMT -5
Saint Louis University would be a good addition. Under the late Rick Majerus, he built a team that went from being almost a joke 5 years ago to making it to the 2nd round of the NCAAs last year. It's the second oldest Jesuit college in the nation, and the oldest Catholic university west of the Mississippi. And it was Ricky's dream to play Georgetown-- he said that on many occasions. What better way to honor his memory, and add a competitive school to the New Big East Conference? St. Louis is pretty far down on my personal wish list. It wouldn't a Tulane/SMU level disaster, but it would be like adding another Seton Hall or Providence in my opinion. It could work out and elevate their program, but they have never been relevant for any extended period in my lifetime. I have a friend who is a SLU alum... Building upon hoyaholic's comment above, apparently they harbor a pretty strong (syracuse-esque?) hatred of GU... an imaginary rivalry that exists only in their mind at present, a la George Washington, but that could prove to be a pretty strong foundation for future media narratives if we were to play them on a recurring basis.
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Post by NoBoumtjeInTheYaYaRoom on Dec 13, 2012 18:47:08 GMT -5
I had not mentioned this up until now because at this point it is nothing more than rampant speculation in my opinion, but there are some of the opinion that Georgetown is slowing the announcement because they are in back channel talks with the ACC to be their 16th basketball team. Basically telling Swofford that its now or never. Again, take this with a grain of salt, as this is only rumor at this point.
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Post by hoya01 on Dec 13, 2012 18:50:29 GMT -5
I sincerely hope that is exactly what Gtown is doing.
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Post by TBird41 on Dec 13, 2012 18:50:33 GMT -5
St. Louis is pretty far down on my personal wish list. It wouldn't a Tulane/SMU level disaster, but it would be like adding another Seton Hall or Providence in my opinion. It could work out and elevate their program, but they have never been relevant for any extended period in my lifetime. I have a friend who is a SLU alum... Building upon hoyaholic's comment above, apparently they harbor a pretty strong (syracuse-esque?) hatred of GU... an imaginary rivalry that exists only in their mind at present, a la George Washington, but that could prove to be a pretty strong foundation for future media narratives if we were to play them on a recurring basis. So they'd be Nova except without any reason for us o hate them?
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Post by jgalt on Dec 13, 2012 18:55:41 GMT -5
But in the ACC GU is still vulnerable to an ACC breakup. Also if the ACC break up comes and Cuse and other schools need a home, arent we really just going back to the Old Big East? Man that would hilarious.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 13, 2012 18:56:01 GMT -5
I had not mentioned this up until now because at this point it is nothing more than rampant speculation in my opinion, but there are some of the opinion that Georgetown is slowing the announcement because they are in back channel talks with the ACC to be their 16th basketball team. Basically telling Swofford that its now or never. Again, take this with a grain of salt, as this is only rumor at this point. This would be amazing, though it's hard to believe the ACC will take us. If they did, we should go instantly. We would always be able to get into any all-hoops league because we would bring a lot of value comparatively.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 13, 2012 18:57:08 GMT -5
But in the ACC GU is still vulnerable to an ACC breakup. Also if the ACC break up comes and Cuse and other schools need a home, arent we really just going back to the Old Big East? Man that would hilarious. My guess is that most of here would prefer that to the other options on the table right now. We can always join an all-hoops league, but once we join, I don't think there is any escaping it. We would be all in.
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Post by whatmaroon on Dec 13, 2012 18:57:25 GMT -5
Well, if nothing else (and like DFW and Cambridge, I'm very concerned that it isn't far from nothing else), this is the one proactive move the Catholic 7 could take where they control their own destiny as opposed to waiting for other dominos to fall. Ah, what the heck, if it doesn't have the results we want, we could just call it the David Caruso/Shelley Long Conference.
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