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Post by dense on Jun 3, 2013 11:06:23 GMT -5
Feinstein, in one of his 60 second blurbs for CBS Radio, glosses over the "no-homo" controversy in order to comment on Roy calling the media m-fers. Lays it at the feet of the Georgetown basketball culture and JTII and JTIII's disdain for the media. If Roy wasn't taught that the media is out to get him, he wouldn't have said that. Concludes that Gtown's past has come back to haunt them/Roy. Talk about an axe to grind... This dude is so funny. I swear he must have JTII picture attached to a target at his gun range,lol...No one is thinking about you anymore Feinstein
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 3, 2013 11:08:18 GMT -5
You almost don't have to watch the NBA to know what's going to happen next. He is part of the entertainment vehicle known as the NBA. Roy is smart enough to know what to say and what not to say, he is no idiot. Roy is getting painted as the bad guy with comments that were out of character and seem premeditated to me. What happens next? Don't be surprised if Roy gets into early foul trouble on a couple of ridiculous calls by the refs tonight paving the way for a heroic single-handed Lebron James performance that puts them into the NBA finals. This is exactly why college basketball is better than the NBA. I don't discount the possibility of something like this happening, but I think it would be too obvious, and would lead to many accusations the NBA would not want to hear. However, if Lebron and Roy meet at the rim again, we know which way the call will go this time. The correct call this time perhaps? Because as much as I'm a fan of Roy the call against LeBron was ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as LeBron's overreaction.
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Post by Jack on Jun 3, 2013 11:10:02 GMT -5
You almost don't have to watch the NBA to know what's going to happen next. He is part of the entertainment vehicle known as the NBA. Roy is smart enough to know what to say and what not to say, he is no idiot. Roy is getting painted as the bad guy with comments that were out of character and seem premeditated to me. What happens next? Don't be surprised if Roy gets into early foul trouble on a couple of ridiculous calls by the refs tonight paving the way for a heroic single-handed Lebron James performance that puts them into the NBA finals. This is exactly why college basketball is better than the NBA. This thing that hasn't happened yet? Because college basketball officials are never influenced by the crowd or the coach or the storylines? That must be why no one has ever complained about Duke getting calls. I seem to recall Roy getting into some foul trouble during his days at GU - one might even argue that the Ohio St. and Davidson losses were both inordinately influenced by officials inserting themselves in the narrative. Frankly, I don't know how anyone could have actually watched this series and then make any argument about the superiority of college basketball. Even with some questionable officiating, the quality of play has been so strong on both sides of the ball that it bears almost no resemblance to the sport we were watching in March. We all love college basketball for emotional reasons, and I remain a bigger fan of our Hoyas than any NBA team, but there is simply no denying that the NBA game is basketball at its best.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jun 3, 2013 12:54:11 GMT -5
About the actual game, the offensive foul on Lebron. I know that to take a charge you must be outside of the circle, making that the wrong call in that instance. I don't think that was the call though. Roy was not trying to take the charge but holding his ground, did it result in a charge-like sequence, yes. Now my question is, are you allowed to lead a drive with a knee to the midsection? I could see that being a more likely call then a "taking the charge" offensive foul.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 3, 2013 12:56:29 GMT -5
I love that Roy said what he said. Even though I believe it was a throwaway comment with no malice intended, there's nothing at all wrong with the comment. The PC police need to chill out and accept the fact that different people have different views. Men can't procreate with other men, same deal with women. Not sure what the controversy is.
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Post by dense on Jun 3, 2013 12:59:52 GMT -5
About the actual game, the offensive foul on Lebron. I know that to take a charge you must be outside of the circle, making that the wrong call in that instance. I don't think that was the call though. Roy was not trying to take the charge but holding his ground, did it result in a charge-like sequence, yes. Now my question is, are you allowed to lead a drive with a knee to the midsection? I could see that being a more likely call then a "taking the charge" offensive foul. The call as I understand it was that in the restricted area you are allowed to go straight up and not pick up a foul as a help to the defense to not being able to draw a charge. The offensive player can't push off or lead with a kick or knee. I think it should have been a no call play on. I didn't think Lebron did any abnormal motion to create space. I think the foul call came more from Roy falling to the ground so hard.
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Post by bmartin on Jun 3, 2013 13:28:25 GMT -5
Yes, you can't take a charge in the restricted area, but that doesn't mean you can't contest a shot. Maybe it should have been a no-call, but Lebron did lead with his elbow in Roy's chest to clear space for the shot.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jun 3, 2013 13:38:48 GMT -5
Lebron did lead with his elbow in Roy's chest to clear space for the shot. LeBron does this and gets away with it every time he drives the lane so I can understand why he was so surprised.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 3, 2013 13:43:46 GMT -5
You almost don't have to watch the NBA to know what's going to happen next. He is part of the entertainment vehicle known as the NBA. Roy is smart enough to know what to say and what not to say, he is no idiot. Roy is getting painted as the bad guy with comments that were out of character and seem premeditated to me. What happens next? Don't be surprised if Roy gets into early foul trouble on a couple of ridiculous calls by the refs tonight paving the way for a heroic single-handed Lebron James performance that puts them into the NBA finals. This is exactly why college basketball is better than the NBA. This thing that hasn't happened yet? Because college basketball officials are never influenced by the crowd or the coach or the storylines? That must be why no one has ever complained about Duke getting calls. I seem to recall Roy getting into some foul trouble during his days at GU - one might even argue that the Ohio St. and Davidson losses were both inordinately influenced by officials inserting themselves in the narrative. Frankly, I don't know how anyone could have actually watched this series and then make any argument about the superiority of college basketball. Even with some questionable officiating, the quality of play has been so strong on both sides of the ball that it bears almost no resemblance to the sport we were watching in March. We all love college basketball for emotional reasons, and I remain a bigger fan of our Hoyas than any NBA team, but there is simply no denying that the NBA game is basketball at its best. Co-sign.
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Post by dungeon ball on Jun 3, 2013 13:52:05 GMT -5
Does college have a verticality rule? This is the thing I love the most about NBA officiating. Doesnt reward players for just blindly charging into the lane. Seems like everything Roy does in the pros would be called a foul in college
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Post by seaweed on Jun 3, 2013 13:57:44 GMT -5
I love that Roy said what he said. Even though I believe it was a throwaway comment with no malice intended, there's nothing at all wrong with the comment. The PC police need to chill out and accept the fact that different people have different views. Men can't procreate with other men, same deal with women. Not sure what the controversy is. The controversy is that people who "can't procreate with other men" are not somehow "weaker" than those who can and perpetuating those stereotypes, like you seem to want to do, demeans them. As a full sergeant in the PC Police, I inform you of your right to speak in a way that takes the differences into account without making one seem better than the other. I can make a baby in moments - and have done so on several occasions - but that doesn't make me a man, nor does it make someone less of a man if he doesn't like that.
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 3, 2013 14:03:11 GMT -5
I love that Roy said what he said. Even though I believe it was a throwaway comment with no malice intended, there's nothing at all wrong with the comment. The PC police need to chill out and accept the fact that different people have different views. Men can't procreate with other men, same deal with women. Not sure what the controversy is. The controversy is that people who "can't procreate with other men" are not somehow "weaker" than those who can and perpetuating those stereotypes, like you seem to want to do, demeans them. As a full sergeant in the PC Police, I inform you of your right to speak in a way that takes the differences into account without making one seem better than the other. I can make a baby in moments - and have done so on several occasions - but that doesn't make me a man, nor does it make someone less of a man if he doesn't like that. Give it a rest dude. You're the only person i've heard that is associating being homosexual with being "weak". Saying 'no homo' isnt insinuating any kind of superiority or inferiority....its just like dense said, its exactly like saying "no pun intended". Some people hate people who make puns for whatever reason, but that doesn't mean every time someone says "no pun intended" its meant in a derogatory manner. I know gays that say "no straight" all the time. Must we prosecute them also?
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Post by nychoya3 on Jun 3, 2013 14:26:38 GMT -5
Get off your cross. No one is prosecuting anyone. However, "No Homo" is a lame joke to begin with and it's mildly offensive ("Homo" is not a neutral word) to boot. It should just be retired all together. Roy knows all that, and that's why he apologized.
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 3, 2013 14:42:39 GMT -5
Get off your cross. No one is prosecuting anyone. However, "No Homo" is a lame joke to begin with and it's mildly offensive ("Homo" is not a neutral word) to boot. It should just be retired all together. Roy knows all that, and that's why he apologized. To say no one is prosecuting Roy is just silly. Everyone is up in arms about what he said. It was obviously unnecessary and unprofessional. But the super sensitive pc media is trying to make it seem like he said something offensive. Please show me an individual or group of people that was offended by what he actually said.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 3, 2013 15:25:55 GMT -5
I am hesitant to even comment on this, but the fact is that Roy Hibbert made a stupid, inappropriate comment, and it's not the type of thing any professional athlete should say. There isn't really anything to defend here - Hibbert himself apologized, so I don't see why so many people are going out of their way to justify the comment. For those of you defending the comment, would you go to a professional business workplace and say the same thing during a work presentation or lunch? I don't think so.
I also know that if Carmelo Anthony said the same thing, a lot of you would jump all over him, rip him, and say that it was the result of coming from a place as awful as Syracuse.
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Jun 3, 2013 15:33:25 GMT -5
The overreaction to Roy's comments are ridiculous. I'm sure most people, including us, say things just as dumb or dumber on a daily basis. The difference is we don't have people listening to every word we say waiting for us to slip up. Roy made a small mistake and he apologized. Give it a rest and let's talk about basketball.
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Post by dense on Jun 3, 2013 16:10:00 GMT -5
I am hesitant to even comment on this, but the fact is that Roy Hibbert made a stupid, inappropriate comment, and it's not the type of thing any professional athlete should say. There isn't really anything to defend here - Hibbert himself apologized, so I don't see why so many people are going out of their way to justify the comment. For those of you defending the comment, would you go to a professional business workplace and say the same thing during a work presentation or lunch? I don't think so. I also know that if Carmelo Anthony said the same thing, a lot of you would jump all over him, rip him, and say that it was the result of coming from a place as awful as Syracuse. No one is saying that he should have said it or shouldn't be punished. I think most people like myself are more upset at the painting of what happened more than Roy making a mistake in what he did. No one is defending what he did, they are defending the person in what has been an inaccurate portrayal in the media. Roy had to apologize for what he did. He probably means it because he realized that wasn't the time or place. But I'm defending that " no homo" isn't a gay slur. Credible news organizations are trying to say it is. It is not! Is it silly and stupid and something I never say now. YES! But its not used with malice, and people in the media equating the redskins topic with this are even more silly, its not even in the same realm. Its making fun of language not people. Like i said its the equivalent of "no pun intended" not let me just say "I'm not gay!!!!!" doesn't mean that at all
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 3, 2013 17:14:00 GMT -5
I am hesitant to even comment on this, but the fact is that Roy Hibbert made a stupid, inappropriate comment, and it's not the type of thing any professional athlete should say. There isn't really anything to defend here - Hibbert himself apologized, so I don't see why so many people are going out of their way to justify the comment. For those of you defending the comment, would you go to a professional business workplace and say the same thing during a work presentation or lunch? I don't think so. I also know that if Carmelo Anthony said the same thing, a lot of you would jump all over him, rip him, and say that it was the result of coming from a place as awful as Syracuse. No one is saying that he should have said it or shouldn't be punished. I think most people like myself are more upset at the painting of what happened more than Roy making a mistake in what he did. No one is defending what he did, they are defending the person in what has been an inaccurate portrayal in the media. Roy had to apologize for what he did. He probably means it because he realized that wasn't the time or place. But I'm defending that " no homo" isn't a gay slur. Credible news organizations are trying to say it is. It is not! Is it silly and stupid and something I never say now. YES! But its not used with malice, and people in the media equating the redskins topic with this are even more silly, its not even in the same realm. Its making fun of language not people. Like i said its the equivalent of "no pun intended" not let me just say "I'm not gay!!!!!" doesn't mean that at all This. You're allowed to say that you're not gay haha. And to say that we would jump over Melo is inaccurate....in that scenario he wouldn't have said anything that was a gay slur.
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Post by mapei on Jun 3, 2013 17:40:51 GMT -5
The thing that bothered me was how unprofessional both of Roy's comments were. Do I think he's a classic homophobe and holds malice toward gays? No. Do I think he is right to some degree that, if more media watched him play, he might have moved up a few notches on the DPOY totem pole? Probably so, if they watched the second half of the season.
But making both remarks on the same stage after the biggest game of your career is not something a savvy Georgetown grad should do. It should be about the team, not who is DPOY - he should be focused on trying to win a championship, not defending his individual glory. And everybody knows that in 2013, especially just after Collins came out, you don't use certain language. I like Roy - a lot - and think he's better than that on both counts. I wish he had proved it in the moment instead of committing not just one but two pretty obvious screw-ups. Next time he's in front of a microphone he needs to apologize (i.e., not just issue a written PR statement). He's a likeable guy and will be forgiven. But I'll be disappointed if he doesn't man up.
As for Feinstein, the guy has become such a caricature of himself that it's unbelievable. JT3 is very media-friendly, except when it comes to injuries.
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Post by gahoya on Jun 3, 2013 18:02:37 GMT -5
Any thoughts on Roy tweeting at Jason Collins a few minutes after the interview? Kind of telling that he knew he already screwed up pretty big.
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