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Post by strummer8526 on Jun 3, 2013 8:30:23 GMT -5
the MF'er comment was dumb enough but to follow it up with that homophobic garbage makes roy look like a complete idiot. the apology does nothing for me. he put himself and his team in a bad position. if he doesn't deliver big tonight he will rightfully be ripped apart by the media. ho·mo·pho·bi·a (hm-fb-) n. 1. Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men. 2. Behavior based on such a feeling. www.thefreedictionary.com/homophobicLet's choose our words a little more carefully while we slam a guy for a dumb but innocuous off-the-cuff quip.
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Post by seaweed on Jun 3, 2013 8:38:07 GMT -5
Yeah but Kobe didn't go to Georgetown so therefore what he did was worse. Duh! What Roy said was disgraceful and a distraction from his on-court heroics. He understands it was wrong and, unlike a lot of professional athletes, is likely not homophobic deep down inside - no evidence, just that he seems a little more open minded than some/many. Nonetheless, let's not forget that the Catholic Church and Georgetown are the leaders in the fight against gay rights and there is no reason to think that 4 years at GU would have done anything to dampen any homophobia that Roy or anyone else came in with. The church fights gay rights at every opportunity and channels a disproportionate amount of resources into making sure that ignorant and hateful feelings about homosexuality are fostered and perpetuated. GU may be "different" and may give kids a slightly more small C catholic view than that held by the Capital C Catholics, but when I was there 25 years ago the school still fought pressure to acknowledge and allow gay groups. There is no way that the school has somehow avoided all the Catholic pressure and morphed into a place where gays are acknowledged as equal in status to straights. The administration frankly wouldn't let that happen and the crazy Catholic alum sure as hell won't (yeah, the "crazy Catholics" are the ones who just tried to sue the school for not being Catholic enough). GU is a safe place for homo-hating and don't kid yourself that Roy's views, if that is what they are, are different than many if not most of your fellow alumni. That is the disgrace, not some foolish phrase which implies gays are somehow weak.
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Post by seaweed on Jun 3, 2013 8:44:05 GMT -5
Strummer - you need to look up "contempt" and figure out how saying I am "not weak like a homosexual" is not squarely within the meaning of "contempt" con·tempt [kuhn-tempt] noun 1.the feeling with which a person regards anything considered mean, vile, or worthless; disdain; scorn. 2.the state of being despised; dishonor; disgrace. dictionary.reference.com/browse/contempt
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Post by nashvillehoyas on Jun 3, 2013 8:44:39 GMT -5
Shout out to Hibbert for being man and proud of it!.... If a few others claim to be or support homosexuality, so be it. Hibbert for MVP!
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 3, 2013 8:56:43 GMT -5
No homo is not a homophobic slur hahah I mean gay people don't identify themselves as straight and make that known, why can't a heterosexual identify himself as a heterosexual? Everyone is too sensitive. Lebron said no homo in an interview as well and was never fined....
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Post by seaweed on Jun 3, 2013 9:25:07 GMT -5
think it through - WHY say No homo? Why? Because you think gay people are weak, worthy of contempt and could never do the manly, hetero-sexual things you can.
Nashville - you are the problem, not the solution. go away
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Post by strummer8526 on Jun 3, 2013 9:33:22 GMT -5
Strummer - you need to look up "contempt" and figure out how saying I am "not weak like a homosexual" is not squarely within the meaning of "contempt" con·tempt [kuhn-tempt] noun 1.the feeling with which a person regards anything considered mean, vile, or worthless; disdain; scorn. 2.the state of being despised; dishonor; disgrace. dictionary.reference.com/browse/contemptI don't think "no homo" means "I am not weak like a homosexual." Maybe there's some history of usage or other basis for your understanding, but it's not my understanding. I agree with others who compared it to "That's what she said." It's a throw-away joke after a person catches himself or herself (or catches another person) saying something that, taken out of context, could be a crude reference to a sexual act (in the case of "no homo," a gay sexual act; in the case of "that's what she said," a heterosexual act performed by a woman). "No homo" means "It's funny that the thing I just said sort of sounds like a reference to gay sex, but it wasn't." And "That's what she said" means "It's funny that what you just said could also be something that a woman would say in a sexual context, but it wasn't." Yes, it's juvenile. And frankly, it's a little strange to think that while Roy is on TV discussing Game 6 of a playoff series, some part of his mind is also scanning his language for sexual-sounding phrases. One thing it is NOT (at least in my opinion) is "contemptuous" towards gays.
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 3, 2013 9:48:54 GMT -5
think it through - WHY say No homo? Why? Because you think gay people are weak, worthy of contempt and could never do the manly, hetero-sexual things you can. Nashville - you are the problem, not the solution. go away You clearly don't know what no homo means....
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Post by hoyaLS05 on Jun 3, 2013 9:51:20 GMT -5
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Post by jgalt on Jun 3, 2013 9:58:18 GMT -5
And Kobe meant it as an insult. He wanted to do harm with what he said. Roy made a dumb throw away remark.
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Post by biggmanu on Jun 3, 2013 10:09:32 GMT -5
You almost don't have to watch the NBA to know what's going to happen next. He is part of the entertainment vehicle known as the NBA. Roy is smart enough to know what to say and what not to say, he is no idiot. Roy is getting painted as the bad guy with comments that were out of character and seem premeditated to me. What happens next? Don't be surprised if Roy gets into early foul trouble on a couple of ridiculous calls by the refs tonight paving the way for a heroic single-handed Lebron James performance that puts them into the NBA finals.
This is exactly why college basketball is better than the NBA.
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Post by seaweed on Jun 3, 2013 10:17:28 GMT -5
please provide a definition of "no homo" that does NOT involve the speaker distancing himself from what gays do. Why distance yourself? Contempt. There is no other logical inference, no matter how hard you want to twist it. It says, "What they do it NOT OK and I want to be clear that I don't do that."
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Post by strummer8526 on Jun 3, 2013 10:31:30 GMT -5
please provide a definition of "no homo" that does NOT involve the speaker distancing himself from what gays do. Why distance yourself? Contempt. There is no other logical inference, no matter how hard you want to twist it. It says, "What they do it NOT OK and I want to be clear that I don't do that." I thought I already did that. Clearly, we won't see eye-to-eye on this. But I'll take comfort in the fact that I'm right.
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 3, 2013 10:52:44 GMT -5
please provide a definition of "no homo" that does NOT involve the speaker distancing himself from what gays do. Why distance yourself? Contempt. There is no other logical inference, no matter how hard you want to twist it. It says, "What they do it NOT OK and I want to be clear that I don't do that." No homo essentially means "I didn't mean that in a homosexual way, though it may have sounded that way." Distancing yourself from a group has negative connotations, but that doesn't automatically mean every human who doesn't want to associate themselves with a certain group they are doing so in bad faith. I work with plenty of homosexuals on a daily basis. None of them took offense to this comment because it was not offensive. Gay people distance themselves from being straight...doesn't mean they have negative feelings towards straight people....
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Post by boxout05 on Jun 3, 2013 10:59:29 GMT -5
Feinstein, in one of his 60 second blurbs for CBS Radio, glosses over the "no-homo" controversy in order to comment on Roy calling the media m-fers. Lays it at the feet of the Georgetown basketball culture and JTII and JTIII's disdain for the media. If Roy wasn't taught that the media is out to get him, he wouldn't have said that. Concludes that Gtown's past has come back to haunt them/Roy. Talk about an axe to grind...
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jun 3, 2013 10:59:42 GMT -5
You almost don't have to watch the NBA to know what's going to happen next. He is part of the entertainment vehicle known as the NBA. Roy is smart enough to know what to say and what not to say, he is no idiot. Roy is getting painted as the bad guy with comments that were out of character and seem premeditated to me. What happens next? Don't be surprised if Roy gets into early foul trouble on a couple of ridiculous calls by the refs tonight paving the way for a heroic single-handed Lebron James performance that puts them into the NBA finals. This is exactly why college basketball is better than the NBA. I don't discount the possibility of something like this happening, but I think it would be too obvious, and would lead to many accusations the NBA would not want to hear. However, if Lebron and Roy meet at the rim again, we know which way the call will go this time.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 3, 2013 11:01:59 GMT -5
You almost don't have to watch the NBA to know what's going to happen next. He is part of the entertainment vehicle known as the NBA. Roy is smart enough to know what to say and what not to say, he is no idiot. Roy is getting painted as the bad guy with comments that were out of character and seem premeditated to me. What happens next? Don't be surprised if Roy gets into early foul trouble on a couple of ridiculous calls by the refs tonight paving the way for a heroic single-handed Lebron James performance that puts them into the NBA finals. This is exactly why college basketball is better than the NBA. Come on, man. This is nonsense. Roy is not going to be punished by the refs because of anything he said at that podium. There may be some home cooking for Miami (just as there was for Indiana) but that's about it. College hoops is guilty of the same thing.
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Post by dense on Jun 3, 2013 11:04:17 GMT -5
I like how all these people are trying to define "no homo" to fit whatever agenda they have. The media is ridic. Rock is dead on in his take on this. It's not even really distancing yourself from a group in the context that people are trying to make it. I think that's overblown. Its more an acknowledgement of language can be twisted to sound a way you didn't mean. And plenty of gay people that I know say no hetero now in response to things that sound like they could be reference in heterosexual sex. Media calling it an anti-gay slur. I think we have look at what a "slur" is before ascribing things like this. No homo is kinda like saying no pun intended but referencing gay sex
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 3, 2013 11:05:34 GMT -5
Feinstein, in one of his 60 second blurbs for CBS Radio, glosses over the "no-homo" controversy in order to comment on Roy calling the media m-fers. Lays it at the feet of the Georgetown basketball culture and JTII and JTIII's disdain for the media. If Roy wasn't taught that the media is out to get him, he wouldn't have said that. Concludes that Gtown's past has come back to haunt them/Roy. Talk about an axe to grind... Well, at least it got Feinstein from talking about something other than golf and hockey on his show. But seriously though that's an absurd comment on his part. I could see that more if Roy was coached by Big John, but I don't recall Big John's players ever using that language when addressing the press. Roy LOVES interacting with the media. If anything he is upset at them for ignoring the Pacers in general throughout the season.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2013 11:05:39 GMT -5
In other news Dick Trickle died….
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