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Post by rockhoya on Apr 22, 2015 19:24:38 GMT -5
Biology is a lame excuse for a lack of desire. And this statement is founded by...?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 19:27:17 GMT -5
Biology is a lame excuse for a lack of desire. And this statement is founded by...? The fact that if you don't put food in your mouth, you don't gain weight.
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 22, 2015 19:34:51 GMT -5
And this statement is founded by...? The fact that if you don't put food in your mouth, you don't gain weight. Is that a fact now? And that doesn't even factor in the fact that he never gained weight....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 19:39:34 GMT -5
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Post by kchoya on Apr 22, 2015 20:13:54 GMT -5
Biology is a lame excuse for a lack of desire. Did Joshua kick your dog or something?
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Post by whatrocks33 on Apr 22, 2015 22:09:14 GMT -5
very excited about Marcus - hopefully he's ready to contribute right away
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 22, 2015 22:33:03 GMT -5
And this statement is founded by...? The fact that if you don't put food in your mouth, you don't gain weight. Your comment might be literally true (if you never ate, you'd lose weight because you would starve to death). However, it is true that there are people who can eat extremely small amounts of food and calories and still not lose weight (or much of it). Metabolism and a variety of medical conditions can often contribute to that, as well. I know it's true because I have seen it with others first-hand. Is that Josh Smith? I have absolutely no idea. However, I think the idea that Smith would have looked like Derrickson if he simply ate less is ridiculous.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 22, 2015 23:56:43 GMT -5
Geez, this kid is looking like a Greek god. He's going to have his pickings at the beach this summer.....oh, yeah and his oncourt performances should see an improvement too. This guy was the Hoya recruit RDF had the highest regard for over at least the last five years and that was before Marcus got himself into this shape.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Apr 23, 2015 7:03:03 GMT -5
The fact that if you don't put food in your mouth, you don't gain weight. Your comment might be literally true (if you never ate, you'd lose weight because you would starve to death). However, it is true that there are people who can eat extremely small amounts of food and calories and still not lose weight (or much of it). Metabolism and a variety of medical conditions can often contribute to that, as well. I know it's true because I have seen it with others first-hand. Is that Josh Smith? I have absolutely no idea. However, I think the idea that Smith would have looked like Derrickson if he simply ate less is ridiculous. Correct. This is what my wife does for a living. You wouldn't believe the number of people that genuinely work their tails off, eat all the right foods (and limited amounts of it) and lose nary a pound. I used to not believe it was true (based on my own experience and a simplistic scientific-sounding rationale of "calories in vs. calories out" that I had been taught and that sounded logical). But the reality is much more complicated for everyone. The same is true, by the way, of people trying to gain "good" weight. You can lift weights till you're blue in the face and eat all the protein in the world, and for some people, they remain spindly. The notion that player "x" just needs to hit the weights or isn't working hard or hasn't been exposed to the proper regimen by incompetent staff members is equally suspect. Again, it may be true that person x trying to put on muscle isn't doing the things he could do or that someone else that needs to lose weight is not working as hard, but it's equally likely (probably more likely) that it's not.
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 23, 2015 8:03:16 GMT -5
Aleutian.. you have a point. But we are not talking about the general public. We are talking about D1 hoopsters. They practice every day in season. They SHOULD be working out every day out of season. If you are a young male putting in that many workout hours at that level - and not overeating and eating the wrong things - you are going to trim down. It takes a LOT of calories daily to maintain 350 lbs of weight.
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Post by blueandgray on Apr 23, 2015 8:21:31 GMT -5
marcus has exhibited a ton of discipline and a strong work ethic. Josh was well intentioned but was very inconsistent on the court, off the court and in the classroom. We can talk about metabolisms all we want, however at the end of the day, discipline and desire play a big role.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 9:32:08 GMT -5
marcus has exhibited a ton of discipline and a strong work ethic. Josh was well intentioned but was very inconsistent on the court, off the court and in the classroom. We can talk about metabolisms all we want, however at the end of the day, discipline and desire play a big role. Amen. All these first person accounts of "Oh, it's tough for some people... I'm a dietitian" and "My wife's fat as hell... you should see her dumper" seemingly add up to "Maybe Josh just can't get into better shape, no matter what he does." -- which is a crock. If it's harder for you to get in shape for some reason (medical, genetic, or otherwise), then you try harder to do it. But everybody can. Whatever. I'm happy Josh played here and this really isn't about him anyway. Congrats to Marcus on turning a perceived question mark into a major positive. From his ESPN Recruiting Scouting Report: His newfound conditioning has him playing far and away the best basketball of his career as he's retained the combination of size, strength and skill that made him so effective while improving his mobility and endurance.
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Post by seaweed on Apr 23, 2015 10:07:51 GMT -5
wow - all the worlds' obesity just boils down to effort. nyc...94 deserves a nobel prize for solving that global health crisis. now back in the gym fatties, don't let your own, individual metabolism get in the way of our patented new, one size fits all cure!
I knew people on this board were a bit full of themselves, but this is a whole new level of idiocy. the insults just make it sad.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 23, 2015 10:24:13 GMT -5
Aleutian.. you have a point. But we are not talking about the general public. We are talking about D1 hoopsters. They practice every day in season. They SHOULD be working out every day out of season. If you are a young male putting in that many workout hours at that level - and not overeating and eating the wrong things - you are going to trim down. It takes a LOT of calories daily to maintain 350 lbs of weight. It's like you don't even read what he said.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 10:28:11 GMT -5
marcus has exhibited a ton of discipline and a strong work ethic. Josh was well intentioned but was very inconsistent on the court, off the court and in the classroom. We can talk about metabolisms all we want, however at the end of the day, discipline and desire play a big role. Amen. All these first person accounts of "Oh, it's tough for some people... I'm a dietitian" and "My wife's fat as hell... you should see her dumper" seemingly add up to "Maybe Josh just can't get into better shape, no matter what he does." -- which is a crock. If it's harder for you to get in shape for some reason (medical, genetic, or otherwise), then you try harder to do it. But everybody can. Whatever. I'm happy Josh played here and this really isn't about him anyway. Congrats to Marcus on turning a perceived question mark into a major positive. From his ESPN Recruiting Scouting Report: His newfound conditioning has him playing far and away the best basketball of his career as he's retained the combination of size, strength and skill that made him so effective while improving his mobility and endurance.Very True, Love how he defended Steve Enoch top 50 kid going to UConn. Definitely had the strength to wall him up and push him off the block whenever he wanted to. He made life very difficult for Enoch and outplayed him twice.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 10:28:50 GMT -5
wow - all the worlds' obesity just boils down to effort. nyc...94 deserves a nobel prize for solving that global health crisis. now back in the gym fatties, don't let your own, individual metabolism get in the way of our patented new, one size fits all cure! I knew people on this board were a bit full of themselves, but this is a whole new level of idiocy. the insults just make it sad. Huh? I'm simply saying that unless you're at 100% peak physical condition already, you always have an opportunity to improve. Some statements made here imply that because of this malady or that affliction, some individuals can't possibly succeed in losing weight and/or getting in better shape. That's bull. Do you just think that there are some people who should be written off? That there's no hope for them no matter what they do? I never said anything about general obesity and I'm certainly not simplifying any magic system for a universal cure. I understand that there's a million different reasons why people aren't in peak health. Lay off the idiocy crap and insult talk. I'm not insulting regular kids to say that they need to study harder to get an A than a brilliant kid would. The regular kid can still get an A, he just needs to put in the work.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 23, 2015 10:44:28 GMT -5
wow - all the worlds' obesity just boils down to effort. nyc...94 deserves a nobel prize for solving that global health crisis. now back in the gym fatties, don't let your own, individual metabolism get in the way of our patented new, one size fits all cure! I knew people on this board were a bit full of themselves, but this is a whole new level of idiocy. the insults just make it sad. Huh? I'm simply saying that unless you're at 100% peak physical condition already, you always have an opportunity to improve. Some statements made here imply that because of this malady or that affliction, some individuals can't possibly succeed in losing weight and/or getting in better shape. That's bull. Do you just think that there are some people who should be written off? That there's no hope for them no matter what they do? I think there are a few problems with your arguments: (1) Genetics are not different for Division 1 athletes. (2) Athletes like Josh Smith, despite being overweight, are still in relatively "good shape" compared to the average population. Could Smith run back and forth on the court for 10 straight minutes without getting winded? No, but I bet that most people posting on this message board could not do that either, and we are likely much smaller than him. (3) We really have no idea how much time, effort, etc. Smith put into his own conditioning, nor do we know his eating habits. However, it's true that many people do have difficulty losing weight and it's not simply a matter of eating less or trying harder. For some people, it's just difficult. I realize some people on here are not willing to accept that reality, but it's the truth. (4) Josh Smith did get in better shape between junior and senior year. That might have trailed off a bit as the season wore on, but the fact is that Smith was in much better shape than he was his junior year, so the idea that he didn't try at all is absurd. As I said, we really have no idea how much of that is on him and his effort because we aren't knowledgeable about it. There aren't people who should be "written off." The point isn't that it's impossible for people to get in better shape or lose weight. The point is that people pretending like it's an easy thing to do, and all about effort are not being fair. Look at it this way: we all likely know at least one or two people who can pretty much eat anything they want, whenever they want, and they do not gain weight (there are certainly many people like this in Smith's age group). Just like these people would struggle to gain weight if they had to, there are people who struggle to lose it even when they try hard. What irritates me is the implication that if you aren't having success you aren't trying, because that's simply not the case in every circumstance (again, no idea whether that's true for Smith or not).
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Post by EasyEd on Apr 23, 2015 11:06:17 GMT -5
I agree with hoyasaxa2003 from personal experience. All my life I have eaten like it's going out of style and my body refused to put on weight. This includes time when I was very, very active as a youth and young man and other times where I was relatively inactive. Today I am a 6'4", 160 pound, relatively inactive 83 year old with a large appetite. Tell me why I don't weigh 290 pounds.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 23, 2015 11:13:05 GMT -5
I agree with hoyasaxa2003 from personal experience. All my life I have eaten like it's going out of style and my body refused to put on weight. This includes time when I was very, very active as a youth and young man and other times where I was relatively inactive. Today I am a 6'4", 160 pound, relatively inactive 83 year old with a large appetite. Tell me why I don't weigh 290 pounds. Did you use your four years of eligibility? Do you play point guard? How is your 3-pt shot?
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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 23, 2015 11:13:07 GMT -5
I agree with hoyasaxa2003 from personal experience. All my life I have eaten like it's going out of style and my body refused to put on weight. This includes time when I was very, very active as a youth and young man and other times where I was relatively inactive. Today I am a 6'4", 160 pound, relatively inactive 83 year old with a large appetite. Tell me why I don't weigh 290 pounds. Lucky, I guess.
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